2016 Postmortem

boston bean

(36,221 posts) Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:42 PM Nov 2016

If Bernie thinks the only way to win is to win white working class voters at the expense of [View all]

pro choice, progressive women and minorities (their actual base), good luck to him. And yeah, I believe he thinks this the way he speaks about "identity politics".

He will have a very lonesome party. One that looks much like the republican party.

And here so many were all worried Hillary was repub lite.

This is a post mortem thread... about the direction of the democratic party.... a discussion. If people can say Hillary lost because she wasn't focusing on the white working class, then this should also be able to e discussed from the other angle.

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If Bernie thinks the only way to win is to win white working class voters at the expense of [View all] boston bean Nov 2016 OP

Link? SHRED Nov 2016 #1

Did Bernie actually say that? mtnsnake Nov 2016 #2

The way he talks about idenitity polictics. That is pretty well stated over and over again here in boston bean Nov 2016 #3

So he didn't actually say it like how you have it, then, I take it. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #9

Then you will need to understand how insulting his words are to women and minorities. boston bean Nov 2016 #13

Which words are those? NobodyHere Nov 2016 #213

Except I read the full transcript, and Bernie was IN FACT saying the OPPOSITE of that. nt Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #10

No he was not. I also read the entire transcript. boston bean Nov 2016 #17

He "basically" said.. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #73

No, I'm a person who can read and comprehend. boston bean Nov 2016 #75

I agree. There's no mistaking Sanders's and Gabbard's actions this week. lapucelle Nov 2016 #104

I feel the words "go beyond" are being misinterpreted imo. Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #88

He scapegoats women and minorities when voting for hillary boston bean Nov 2016 #91

1 . This is classic Bernie hatred. They'll twist anything he says Arazi Nov 2016 #174

Here is the video Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #76

Please post Bernie's exact words that prove he said what the OP said about him mtnsnake Nov 2016 #132

Agreed mcar Nov 2016 #4

Real deal Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #5

Sanders believes that women and minorities are voting against their own interest which he thinks boston bean Nov 2016 #7

Yeah. They planned on no outreach, were absolutely uninformed rookies about it stepping in shit... bettyellen Nov 2016 #14

Different take Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #21

I vote for my own interests. What makes you think some vote for sex organs? boston bean Nov 2016 #23

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Alrighty then Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #49

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Giving an opinion on your character as militant is racist? retrowire Nov 2016 #130

Good question Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #160

Oh, you qualified your garbage with "some"? And campaigned for Obama? kcr Nov 2016 #100

They couldn't vote for Clinton but they voted for Trump? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #145

I hear you Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #161

From March. Discussing Trump and Sanders style of Identity Politics. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #6

Bill Clinton is excoriated by doing exactly what it is Bernie and his supporters want the Democratic boston bean Nov 2016 #8

We are proud. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #16

she did not do that until Bernie's influence affected the democratic platform. JCanete Nov 2016 #56

You really don't know what kinds of things DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #67

Her greatest achievement was trying to roll out JCanete Nov 2016 #82

Let's talk about actions rather than words. spooky3 Nov 2016 #116

yes, but things have to come up for a vote in order to be voted on. As progressive JCanete Nov 2016 #122

Not in a Republican Senate, they don't. spooky3 Nov 2016 #154

Bernie...if I never heard that name again, it would be so delightful. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #146

You keep posting on threads to do with Bernie, so I don't believe you. JCanete Nov 2016 #149

A large chunk of the party didn't want Sanders...he lost the primary.It was not rigged. He lost . Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #181

Wow, a post that isn't two sentences! There is a lot there, most of which JCanete Nov 2016 #189

I can not keep tearing myself up over this election. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #190

okay, not going to deal with that whole thing. I promise to read it over and take it in, JCanete Nov 2016 #191

THIS! The last Democrat to aim for rural whites was WJC, and the Batshit Left hates him. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #197

Are you saying that the white working class virgogal Nov 2016 #11

Who are these rural voters? They vote Dem, huh?? right!? boston bean Nov 2016 #19

Thanks Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #22

"White working class" means WHITE DUDES duffyduff Nov 2016 #87

are you talking rural or urban white working class? WhiteTara Nov 2016 #105

"at the expense of pro choice, progressive women" you say yodermon Nov 2016 #12

Umm, you tell me how these white rural voters support women and lgbt and minorities. boston bean Nov 2016 #20

If you look at the political map OnionPatch Nov 2016 #123

When i look at a map of rural america in all these small states i see a sea of red. boston bean Nov 2016 #126

But those maps only show majorities. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #172

The majority and hefty majority are republicans... and believe as I have stated. boston bean Nov 2016 #187

I just don't get trying to make Bernie the villain now 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #15

I think he did real damange to her with his she is corrupt, establishment... boston bean Nov 2016 #18

Yes, his constant attacks on Hillary's emails did it! Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #58

His constant attack on her integrity as a human being. boston bean Nov 2016 #60

plus 1000! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #72

I have news for you. DONALD TRUMP is the president now. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #109

"after the bare minimum he did" Fixed that for you. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #198

Get over it. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #212

Hillary had to earn peoples votes. Bernie couldn't force people to do anything Arazi Nov 2016 #177

Sanders hurt Clinton in the general election Gothmog Nov 2016 #113

Me either Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #24

He absolutely DID NOT campaign his ass off. I don't know why people keep saying that. LisaM Nov 2016 #29

This is the truth. boston bean Nov 2016 #62

Thank you. LisaM Nov 2016 #77

I was at the convention and your analysis is correct Gothmog Nov 2016 #115

Thanks I didn't know he has new book to hawk . Makes sense why he is all over the place lunasun Nov 2016 #134

Of course it is. LisaM Nov 2016 #136

This! mcar Nov 2016 #137

She was essentially running against two people the whole time, Trump, and the ghost of Bernie. LisaM Nov 2016 #139

And the media and FBI mcar Nov 2016 #140

Yep...... LisaM Nov 2016 #142

She would have, LisaM mcar Nov 2016 #143

Here's an article that will break your heart. LisaM Nov 2016 #144

Took him 2 months to concede to HRC, but only 24 hours to capitulate to Trump. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #199

Nope shawn703 Nov 2016 #25

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Nov 2016 #26

How is "abortion is up to the woman" worse than "compromise on abortion rights"? ieoeja Nov 2016 #27

Not true. LisaM Nov 2016 #33

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Right, only winning by two million votes and growing. LisaM Nov 2016 #36

Triangulating on women's issues is part of the Third Way. ieoeja Nov 2016 #64

Hillary did not support limiting abortion boston bean Nov 2016 #74

I know. LisaM Nov 2016 #78

"She was in favor of an amendment on late term abortions if the life of the mother was taken into " ieoeja Nov 2016 #167

Malarkey. read what i wrote in its entirety.. boston bean Nov 2016 #168

Which does not change the fact that she supported a Constitutional Amendment limiting women's rights ieoeja Nov 2016 #176

NOT BUYING IT and I am going to repeat my question: JHan Nov 2016 #84

It was not the party dividing itself. It was your false division. ieoeja Nov 2016 #166

Not quite.. JHan Nov 2016 #169

thank you DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #141

Your side could not even win a primary, maybe it is time for you to accept not everyone agrees Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #80

State government dominated by Republicans. Feds have everything. ieoeja Nov 2016 #90

Talk to me when your side can win a primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #92

Talk to me when your side can win a general election. ieoeja Nov 2016 #99

We won in 2008 and won the popular vote this year. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #186

2008 called! n/t ieoeja Nov 2016 #164

And Hillary conceded and campaigned her heart out for Pres. Obama. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #185

We lost the house and Senate when Reagan was elected. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #182

Third Way? mcar Nov 2016 #138

Denial. nt ieoeja Nov 2016 #165

It is not "talking point". And you know it. nt ieoeja Nov 2016 #173

remind me when.. JHan Nov 2016 #68

I never once heard Bernie argue for women's issues. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #147

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He never said anything like that and you know that. You are being completely dishonest... phleshdef Nov 2016 #28

I am not being dishonest. boston bean Nov 2016 #31

Saying that Bernie wants to sacrifice women's rights is an absolute lie, 100%. phleshdef Nov 2016 #35

it is not a lie. He cares more about white working class voters who don't give a shit about our boston bean Nov 2016 #43

Horse shit. You know it and so does everyone else. phleshdef Nov 2016 #47

Nope, I don't think it's horseshit. boston bean Nov 2016 #51

I posted a video...it is clear what he meant... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #81

Identity politics are okay. HassleCat Nov 2016 #30

I am thoroughly sick BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #32

Sander's main point, that people are not hearing or are intentionally ignoring JCanete Nov 2016 #70

This is correct Cosmocat Nov 2016 #106

Do you think that minorities and women aren't concerned with income inequality? Why is that? kcr Nov 2016 #108

No, I don't think that. Why would you read what I said and think that? Its fucking absurd. JCanete Nov 2016 #111

Hey. I only read your words. kcr Nov 2016 #114

sure, please point it out. Maybe I missed all of that in anything i've ever heard him say. JCanete Nov 2016 #119

I didn't hear things he didn't say! He said it! Literally. kcr Nov 2016 #125

What? NO NO NO NO NO. I will say, that is somehow, the only way you JCanete Nov 2016 #128

This isn't about CEOs and what they do, and what shareholders want out of them. kcr Nov 2016 #129

Come on. His version of qualifications has nothing to do with capabilities and everything to do JCanete Nov 2016 #152

Please unrec this... or OP should take it down. AmBlue Nov 2016 #37

What is untrue? Bernie thinks we lost this election because too much attention was paid to women boston bean Nov 2016 #40

Bernie reached out to everyone. AmBlue Nov 2016 #54

you are lying. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #38

I am not lying. boston bean Nov 2016 #41

Are working class voter issues and pro-choice, progressive and minority issues mutually exclusive? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #42

They voted for Trump. They voted for Bush. They care for a lot more than JOBS. boston bean Nov 2016 #45

what are you talking about? You are making up a straw man here. When did he JCanete Nov 2016 #44

He jettisones each time he accuses Hilary's success against him because she was a woman. boston bean Nov 2016 #46

when does he say we need to care about white working class before anything else? Point it the fuck JCanete Nov 2016 #52

He says it all the time. I suggest you go and read. boston bean Nov 2016 #61

you don't have an example, so you're going to retreat with that? nt JCanete Nov 2016 #71

Why can't the party walk and chew gum at the same time? davidn3600 Nov 2016 #48

They voted for Trump. You think they would have voted for the jewish guy? boston bean Nov 2016 #50

Exactly LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #57

It is a history of his words. What he feels is most important. boston bean Nov 2016 #66

but that is just not true LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #85

They way Bernie talks about this and has talked the same way for decades boston bean Nov 2016 #86

Go Bernie Go!! (And no...he is all in favor of women's rights and POC rights) nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #55

I disagree. He treated Hillary horribly during the primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #97

I agree a million percent. LisaM Nov 2016 #127

You said it so much better than I ever could...yes this is exactly what he did. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #183

She demolished O'Malley. Bernie did very well and raised very salient points. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #188

postmortem so wth, if Sanders was the VP choice, Hillary would have won easily. Sunlei Nov 2016 #59

If people on our side keep spinning things like this we will go back to herding cats. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #63

I'm not spinning anything. I am speaking what is the truth. boston bean Nov 2016 #65

No you're not.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #153

It must be, "It's Bernie's Fault " day. Who will it be tomorrow? jalan48 Nov 2016 #69

Bernie's fault day. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #83

Yeah, he's the problem. That's it. Bad Bernie and the Bernie Bros as well. jalan48 Nov 2016 #94

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I seem to recall there was a lot of optimism. Gore1FL Nov 2016 #121

No one is entitled to any office in a democracy without an opponent. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #192

Bernie, lily white rural voters, lily white blue collar voters, progressives, SMC22307 Nov 2016 #216

I've come to the conclusion this is about power within our Party. jalan48 Nov 2016 #217

I've said this before and I'll say it again DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #79

This is the type of post that gives one pause. gordianot Nov 2016 #89

Well. If you feel this way. You must be appalled by the post saying boston bean Nov 2016 #93

No reason to burn it down that has already happened. gordianot Nov 2016 #110

Who? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Nov 2016 #98

Really? Sanders has been a champion of civil rights his while life. lastone Nov 2016 #101

He thinks MLK was only about economics. He talks about in these terms for decades. boston bean Nov 2016 #103

If venture to guess that one of the major issues every African American would like to see made equal lastone Nov 2016 #117

True and they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary because she understood the reasons why. boston bean Nov 2016 #118

So you disagree and agree with me? lastone Nov 2016 #120

I know why we got our ass handed to us. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #148

You can keep trying yourself that lastone Nov 2016 #156

Exactly so you all should consider how a divisive bitter party caused us to lose. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #184

Nonsense Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #162

Bernie has never said we should abandon anything we now support Ken Burch Nov 2016 #102

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No thanks, not playing the zero-sum game. lagomorph777 Nov 2016 #112

Bernie Never Said Any Such Thing! cer7711 Nov 2016 #124

Great bait Boston bean retrowire Nov 2016 #131

Are we STILL fighting the primary? bonemachine Nov 2016 #133

Bernie made a statement that at the very least caused enormous controversy...why would Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #150

Enormous controversy? bonemachine Nov 2016 #193

It is not a tempest in a teapot when it continues to divide our party. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #194

Still dodging? bonemachine Nov 2016 #195

Where are you getting any of that from? KPN Nov 2016 #135

Good grief bean. panader0 Nov 2016 #151

Bernie doesn't think this is a zero sum game. nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #155

Did you see election night? This strategy failed. LittleBlue Nov 2016 #157

No Dem candidate has won the white vote since LBJ. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #158

White working class people can be pro-choice, etc. WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2016 #159

He didn't say that and he doesn't think that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #163

It figures liquid diamond Nov 2016 #170

This is a vicious, dishonest smear. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #171

If we do that we lose 49 states instead of this bravenak Nov 2016 #178

Absent a link to Sanders actually saying this, can one assume that this is simply guillaumeb Nov 2016 #179

We know you hate and despise Bernie, but why do this? aikoaiko Nov 2016 #180

Pathetic hueymahl Nov 2016 #196

if we can just get our people to vote okieinpain Nov 2016 #200

He doesn't think so. HassleCat Nov 2016 #201

"at the expense of" Uponthegears Nov 2016 #202

Do you think Bernie thinks that way to win is at the expense of women and minorities? David__77 Nov 2016 #203

Here are Sanders' words. David__77 Nov 2016 #204

Troll alert!! Larkspur Nov 2016 #205

Bernie doesn't think that and you know it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #206

Many of the places voting for Trump voted for Obama twice. alarimer Nov 2016 #207

3rd way identity politics is what's killing the party jfern Nov 2016 #208

I am tired of this infighting. I look forward to Hillary people and Bernie people uniting behind StevieM Nov 2016 #209

Either/Or does not bode well for the party. jalan48 Nov 2016 #210

Ya know, Bernie thinks we can walk and chew gum at the same time. sfwriter Nov 2016 #211

You're just making stuff up. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #214

He doesn't think that. Only you do. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2016 #215