2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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6. OK, but we didn't address that, either. We said nothing about jobs and fear of want at all.

Tue Nov 15, 2016, 08:05 PM

Nov 2016

We need to be talking about BIG jobs programs to retrain people, to make it easier for workers to create more jobs by forming co-operatives to restart closed business, and I'm open to any other ideas you have.

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The ambiguity on trade cost us the Upper Midwest. [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2016 OP

You think enough voters read the platform ... imaginary girl Nov 2016 #1

It's not just the platform, it's that we didn't talk about working people at all. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #8

We aren't very good at getting our message out imaginary girl Nov 2016 #10

maybe she should've run on issues rather than Trump said this and said that. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #39

Yes, and no one believed our messenger NT hueymahl Nov 2016 #58

It wasn't just Rs. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #70

She did talk about it, they reported the "crooked stuff" instead. bettyellen Nov 2016 #35

Ayup. Lying about what she supported is not helpful. boston bean Nov 2016 #38

No, that wasn't it. Trump was able to connect with these people in their gut in a way Democrats geek tragedy Nov 2016 #2

It wasn't just the platform. It was a whole attitude. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #9

Nonsense. n/t Lucinda Nov 2016 #28

Lucid argument. n/t OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #71

Bullshit BainsBane Nov 2016 #3

It wasn't just the platform, it was the stump speech. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #5

When Hillary came out against TPP... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #42

She never spoke about it convincingly and with passion. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #72

There it is! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #74

Whatever that means. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #76

Globalization is not the only factor. Automation and robotics killed plenty of jobs also. LonePirate Nov 2016 #4

OK, but we didn't address that, either. We said nothing about jobs and fear of want at all. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #6

Your suggestions are worth pursuing. Maybe Dems at the local level can start the process. LonePirate Nov 2016 #13

Some people are reading too much science fiction duffyduff Nov 2016 #82

White rural voters won it in the upper MW on race not what was in the platform book_worm Nov 2016 #7

Agreed imaginary girl Nov 2016 #11

Thank you. It's FOOLISH to think that an election was lost because ... NurseJackie Nov 2016 #12

I agree completely - it was the messenger, not the platform wording that lost it for us. hueymahl Nov 2016 #59

Oh brother! NurseJackie Nov 2016 #61

Glad you find it funny! hueymahl Nov 2016 #64

Nope. She was a brilliant candidate. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #68

No, TexasTowelie Nov 2016 #14

What a load of shit. Racism cost us. nt msanthrope Nov 2016 #15

It's not as simple as racism. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #16

Your concern is noted. Seriously. "Ourselves." nt msanthrope Nov 2016 #17

Yep, "ourselves". MelissaB Nov 2016 #19

I'm as much a Dem as you are. I have as much right to identify as part of the party as you do. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #20

I'm with you on this one. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #21

Awesome. Tell me your campaign assignment. nt msanthrope Nov 2016 #23

Oh, jeez! MelissaB Nov 2016 #24

I canvassed many parts of Olympia for the Thurston County Dems. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #25

"Interrogation" is down the hall at the last door on the right. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #65

... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #77

I suspected this would happen to Bernie primary supporters when DU reopened. MelissaB Nov 2016 #26

as a Clinton supporter from the start, there are many reasons, so many confluences as to why we lost Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #30

Thank you. It is DU'ers with YOUR open attitude that will make the difference Ken Burch Nov 2016 #32

can we all please stop the inane "concern" meme on every angle Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #29

With four OPs this one poster is creating an echo chamber... bettyellen Nov 2016 #34

sorry, but concern is now more than warranted 0rganism Nov 2016 #63

They can both have cost us. TimeChaser Nov 2016 #22

Nope. It was sexism in part but primarily it was the media duffyduff Nov 2016 #81

We will never know Va Lefty Nov 2016 #18

She won the popular vote mcar Nov 2016 #27

maybe running a candidate under FBI investigate wasn't a good idea. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #43

1 OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #73

Not a good idea...at all. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #78

Yes, and in a parallel universe, pigs fly hueymahl Nov 2016 #60

Truth is there are a variety of factors Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #31

Another shoulda "follow Bernie's campaign" OP? Isn't this spamming us now? bettyellen Nov 2016 #33

Hillary Clinton WON by a million votes and counting. The Electoral College has got to go. Hekate Nov 2016 #36

We all agree with you about the Electoral College. Nobody here defends that institution. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #53

Yes in the Mid-West, trade cost us the election. nt Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #37

Believe that fantasy. The jobs aren't coming back. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #41

And this is why Democrats lost and will continue to lose. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #44

Thank you. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #49

How do you think Germany "protects its manufacturing jobs"? It is in the WTO pampango Nov 2016 #79

Are you serious? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #84

Great article. Germany does not 'protect their industries' with tariffs of other import restrictions pampango Nov 2016 #85

Keep repeating the meaningless meme that OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #75

These white dudes are THIRTY YEARS TOO LATE TO THE PARTY duffyduff Nov 2016 #40

A lot of them did, actually. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #48

Yet a good chunk of the Trump voters are good old boys who like Bill Clinton more than Hillary. pnwmom Nov 2016 #83

Your post explains why Europe has the social programs it has and we do not Yavin4 Nov 2016 #86

Do you seriously think Trump was LESS ambiguous than Clinton? randome Nov 2016 #45

then what happened in the Senate elections dsc Nov 2016 #46

Some felt, I'm guessing, that voting for the GOP Senate candidate would help Trump get stuff done. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #47

they all did better than he did in their states dsc Nov 2016 #67

Trump also ran on infrastructure improvement LeftInTX Nov 2016 #50

Another good point. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #52

Rob Portman begs to differ. nt pkdu Nov 2016 #51

You get it, K&R! B Calm Nov 2016 #54

I bet the TPP gets passed very quickly once the GOP has the house, senate, and presidency gollygee Nov 2016 #55

I realize that Trump isn't sincere about opposing TPP. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #56

It isn't only that, but it's a major factor gollygee Nov 2016 #57

And nobody is saying it ISN'T a major factor, OR that we shouldn't speak out about it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #62

Well then we're on the same page gollygee Nov 2016 #66

Sorry...it sounded like you were another person saying it was racism and nothing else. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #69

Baloney. Sept '16 unemployment rate in MI: 4.6%. WI: 4.1% ucrdem Nov 2016 #80