2016 Postmortem

PatSeg

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96. Some say he got more blame than he deserved

Thu Aug 4, 2016, 11:37 PM

Aug 2016

I don't know, but I've never been able to respect the man since. Also I never called him the kinds of names that people are calling Stein.

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Remember the people who were saying we should be nice to Jill Stein? [View all] DanTex Aug 2016 OP

Only morons. Only morons. whatthehey Aug 2016 #1

Some are people with their heads in the clouds also. uppityperson Aug 2016 #6

I can't just give it away to someone who doesn't make me feel special Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #134

Good one! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2016 #202

Unfortunately, Jill Stein's head isn't just up in the clouds. It's on Mars. calimary Aug 2016 #248

The ones saying we should be nice to Jill Stein are many of the same ones that are saying Squinch Aug 2016 #2

Fukkem! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #5

If you go far enough left, madaboutharry Aug 2016 #3

PREACH IT! nt ncgrits Aug 2016 #11

I usually describe my political feelings as 'somewhat to the left of Karl Marx'. Stonepounder Aug 2016 #17

I agree with you PatSeg Aug 2016 #36

Same Here Leith Aug 2016 #41

+1. nt tblue37 Aug 2016 #78

"To the left of Marx."? I'm just curious, in what way? liberalnarb Aug 2016 #112

Not in any specific way, I simply find it a convenient catch-phrase. Stonepounder Aug 2016 #175

That doesn't sound like your vision is to the left of Marx. woolldog Aug 2016 #285

Over the years I have been involved with many far left groups. Scruffy1 Aug 2016 #236

The horseshoe theory SticksnStones Aug 2016 #20

That is ridiculous PatSeg Aug 2016 #39

It's just a theory SticksnStones Aug 2016 #64

Oh, okay PatSeg Aug 2016 #71

It's an interesting layout of the theory SticksnStones Aug 2016 #95

Oh yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #109

In the 60's there were some violent lefties. lark Aug 2016 #231

Yes that is true PatSeg Aug 2016 #288

It's been a near universal role switch lark Aug 2016 #392

And instead of the Weathermen and SDS, PatSeg Aug 2016 #402

My ex husband was teaching at Univ Wisconsin - Madison womanofthehills Aug 2016 #449

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact Johnyawl Aug 2016 #98

That is a very good point PatSeg Aug 2016 #110

When extremists take power, oppressive dictatorships result DFW Aug 2016 #173

That is true PatSeg Aug 2016 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author relayerbob Aug 2016 #107

Not so ridiculous. Squinch Aug 2016 #169

Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #171

THEY think they are real Democrats, and even further, THEY think Squinch Aug 2016 #237

And also indicative PatSeg Aug 2016 #291

It's an interesting occurance n/t SticksnStones Aug 2016 #213

not really as both the far far left and far far right are often murderous authoritarians Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #283

Agreed PatSeg Aug 2016 #289

oh yes, absolutely agree that Sanders supporters are nowhere near Maoists Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #314

Oh no, not at all PatSeg Aug 2016 #315

Recovery does take time - I see it slowly happening on Facebook and with my friends womanofthehills Aug 2016 #450

I remember the primaries in 2008 PatSeg Aug 2016 #451

The far right and far left have more in common with each other randr Aug 2016 #326

I call it the Pacman Tunnel of madness. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #212

We'll I don't know that I'd go as far as "batshit crazy" SticksnStones Aug 2016 #215

Fwiw, if you become more and more extreme in PERSONALITY Hortensis Aug 2016 #192

I thought you ran into Gandhi. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #361

Where is she getting the $ to run these ads? Does she have backing or her donation numbers growing? Person 2713 Aug 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author oberliner Aug 2016 #13

He's a fool. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #15

He didn't! SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #40

Apologies oberliner Aug 2016 #47

Thanks. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #52

Both Make it Plain and Thom Hartmann have had Jill Stein on their shows. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #256

Yeah, I thought I remembered she'd been on. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #271

Same old same old Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #274

And that's why this thread is useful. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #277

That is what they do. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #287

That is a good question treestar Aug 2016 #177

My guess is the Koch brothers or similar. auntpurl Aug 2016 #186

Yep. Fuck Jill and her ridiculous bullshit bravenak Aug 2016 #7

I'm seriously considering, asocial as I am, SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #42

She is really getting stupid these days. bravenak Aug 2016 #45

She needs to drop out. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #54

She has always been kinda delusional, though.... bravenak Aug 2016 #59

I'll take your word for it. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #63

this is an election. runaway hero Aug 2016 #8

Yes, something like this happened in 2000. lapucelle Aug 2016 #16

Gary Johnson takes way more R votes than Stein takes D votes 7962 Aug 2016 #62

And we have to fight for ALL of them. The only thing standing between Trump and the WH Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #145

Now that's a ridiculous argument! CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #483

You do bring up another point; 7962 Aug 2016 #508

I believe that you addressed your own point adequately. CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #513

I was attacked for calling her an anti-science, anti-vax enabling threat in swing states Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #9

I'm sorry you were attacked. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #65

"I'm sorry you were attacked." geologic Aug 2016 #224

Well, I said I'd have trouble, not that I wouldn't successfully resist. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #226

And even more so since I've personally seen the ads. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #272

Good grief. And the comment wasn't even in this subthread. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #278

I just saw her ad on MSBC JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #251

Add Stein to the list: Libertarian+Tea Party+Christian Coalition =John Birch Society of the Koch Fam misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #10

general walker SheriffBob Aug 2016 #247

Fuck Jill Stein. yardwork Aug 2016 #12

Ditto. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #44

I'd rather not. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #241

Your 15 minutes are up, 'Doctor' Stein. Get the fuck lost. nt onehandle Aug 2016 #14

She's not a real doctor? freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #28

Typo. I meant to say 'Wise smart normal non-egomaniac' onehandle Aug 2016 #37

She's a fucking quack. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #147

I guess that's what you call someone who . . . freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #191

it's what you call them if they promote homeopathy and say questions about vaccines are "reasonable" CreekDog Aug 2016 #194

Because questions about vaccines are by definition never reasonable. freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #196

she's a physician, she is expected to know better CreekDog Aug 2016 #218

The questions that she is referring to... reACTIONary Aug 2016 #268

So why do you think the goverment pays billions of dollars for vaccine injuries" womanofthehills Aug 2016 #468

No, the government does not pay out billions of dollars for vaccine injuries CreekDog Aug 2016 #476

Like Dr. Ben Carson is such a genius? Jill Stein is afraid WiFi signals are killing kids. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #199

I only questioned your calling her a quack. freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #205

I will be happy to provide you an answer to each of those after you answer but one Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #208

I just don't see the point of slamming her on irrelevancies. freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #210

Your actions show that you do support Jill Stein Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #227

+100 !! reACTIONary Aug 2016 #269

But she is a real worm SwankyXomb Aug 2016 #244

Jill Stein (G-Moron) IS A FUCKING FASCIST!!!!! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #18

Third parties are spoilers. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #19

True. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #49

I saw one of Stein's Hillary attack ads on MSNBC. Stein is an asshole. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #21

OMG. What on earth is her deal? nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #60

I don't recall offhand, who was it? Eom GusBob Aug 2016 #22

It's no less short-sited to tell progressives to fuck-off. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #23

I'm a progressive. Jill Stein is the one telling progressives to fuck off. DanTex Aug 2016 #24

As are you. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #25

Jill Stein is no progressive Expecting Rain Aug 2016 #26

And the merry-go-round continues. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #30

"Progressive" doesn't mean "I drive a Prius" or "I'm a straight-ticket Democrat" or "I volunteer at Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #389

It does mean that you vote for the Democratic nominee...who is the only one Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #486

I'm not running anti-Hillary ads in swing states. DanTex Aug 2016 #29

I suspect many progressives are not, either Gore1FL Aug 2016 #32

Correct. Because Jill Stein is not a progressive. She's a right-wing surrogate. DanTex Aug 2016 #33

You are telling progressives who do not support Hillary to fuck off Gore1FL Aug 2016 #35

No, I'm telling Jill Stein to fuck off. Are you saying she's a progressive? DanTex Aug 2016 #43

I am saying you posted a divisive OP and should be ashamed. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #51

How is my OP divisive? Jill Stein is a right-wing tool, and I'm criticizing her. DanTex Aug 2016 #56

I'm a hard-line Bernie supporter. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #69

Thank you! DanTex Aug 2016 #94

Because you label progressives that don;t agree with you as things they are not. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #137

Nice to see I'm not alone PatSeg Aug 2016 #91

Dunno who you are replying to, but thanks. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #101

I think it was Gore1Fl PatSeg Aug 2016 #105

Gore1FL was quite uncivil. You have demonstrated a certain selectivenes in your concern for civility Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #148

I recommend you alert on the post where I was. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #266

There is no such thing as a progressive who is not supporting the Democratic candidate. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #178

Purity test. Awesome. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #262

No, if you are willing to risk Trump wining then you care nothing for progressive causes. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #265

If the Stein voters are not progressive as people on this thread (and others) contend Gore1FL Aug 2016 #267

Any vote for Stein is a vote for Trump...one less vote for Hillary. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #275

Or one less for Trump based on the argument that she isn't progressive. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #279

It does not work that way. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #286

So they ARE progressives in political veiwpoint. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #292

So they SAYYYYY. But when you walk like a duck, talk like a duck, & look like a duck... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #297

So you think its a good idea to driver her supporters off? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #366

They are loooong gone. There's no catching that bus no matter WHAT we do. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #374

So then they aren't hurting Hillary by not voting for her if they were not intending to anyway Gore1FL Aug 2016 #375

Make no mistake. It is MEANT to hurt Hillary. But fortunately they are irrelevant. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #378

Yet we have to discuss for 3 days the merits of disparaging them... Gore1FL Aug 2016 #379

Because you drag it on. You are responsible for that. Congratulations. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #380

Um no. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #381

Um, yes. All up and down this thread, you have more posts than the author of OP. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #382

Yeah I noticed I have had to respond a lot Gore1FL Aug 2016 #384

You don't get to dictate how people echoes themselves or their politics. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #432

If they are HER supporters skepticscott Aug 2016 #383

They are progressives. People are claiming Stein is taking them away from Hillary as voters Gore1FL Aug 2016 #385

I'll ask again, since you seem determined to ignore direct questions skepticscott Aug 2016 #459

What about for down ballot races? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #462

My argument is the same as the one I made below skepticscott Aug 2016 #465

There were people here at DU that argued they were voting in the primary based on hurt feelings Gore1FL Aug 2016 #467

You still refuse to answer my direct question skepticscott Aug 2016 #480

I answered it. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #482

No. they mouth progressive platitudes but act as an attachment of the GOP...by Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #365

You can only help elect republicans if you vote for Republicans Gore1FL Aug 2016 #368

So why take actions to drive them away? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #338

This is a site that support the nominee. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #364

So driving off progressives will get them to vote Democratic? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #370

She is running ads in swings states ...these ads target Hillary...and are intended to take Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #321

I am not defending her. I am defending progressives Gore1FL Aug 2016 #337

Greens talk the progessive talk but walk the Republican walk enabling a right wing agenda by Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #367

If you want them as allies and voters, why should they be driven off? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #369

The fact they are running ads in swing states shows they will never be allies Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #393

They are part of the liberal coalition that should vote Democratic. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #395

They are a seperate party and run their own candidates Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #487

Then a vote for them isn't a vote for trump. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #494

No, I disagree there. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #55

I think you need to be here a little longer PatSeg Aug 2016 #129

This is very RUDE of you! It is uncalled for to wage a personal attack against someone Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #149

Yes, especially when skepticscott Aug 2016 #203

Yup! Couln't agree more! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #207

Never! skepticscott Aug 2016 #217

You're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #163

I don't care how long one is here Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #179

As a rule I don't generally PatSeg Aug 2016 #182

Very few progressives are supporting Stein CreekDog Aug 2016 #195

By that argument she's taking votes away from Trump. What is your concern, then? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #280

Stop with the BS, she's taking even fewer votes from Trump CreekDog Aug 2016 #281

Exactly. The outrage is BS. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #284

No, the outrage isn't BS, it's based on the falsehoods she's peddling CreekDog Aug 2016 #290

You seem to be talking in circles. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #293

what is an example of me talking in circles, please provide quotes. CreekDog Aug 2016 #295

OK here: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #296

copy and paste the words. wtf. CreekDog Aug 2016 #300

I am sorry I thought you has a mouse with a scroll wheel. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #304

i can't make your argument for you, and you shouldn't be so lazy as to not back up the accusation CreekDog Aug 2016 #313

I don't have concern for Jill Stein. You shouldn't really reply to sub-threads you haven't read. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #386

I criticized Stein for quackery and you're trying to make it sound like I criticized her supporters CreekDog Aug 2016 #427

My initial post was about civility. You jumped in on the arguments against me. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #428

WTF do you mean "if WE want their votes"? skepticscott Aug 2016 #455

"We" being fellow progressives. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #457

You're great at dodging and ignoring questions skepticscott Aug 2016 #458

What question didn't I answer? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #497

stop with the BS. when I criticized Stein you later tried to say I was criticizing her supporters CreekDog Aug 2016 #493

How is calling Stein a quack helpful? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #496

Why are you assuming Jill Stein or her supporters are progressives? BzaDem Aug 2016 #118

Greens are typically left-leaning. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #165

Not really Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #180

Link? Please show where the Koch brothers are funding Stein as you claim Gore1FL Aug 2016 #307

The right wing funded Nader we know that...now who do you suppose is paying the Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #323

I am waiting for links that support your arguments Gore1FL Aug 2016 #336

Here is one Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #491

So them voting for a candidate other than Trump isn't a vote for Trump. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #495

It could be any right wing group...but the money is coming from somewhere...and the Greens Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #372

FFS Gore1FL Aug 2016 #373

What is the actual evidence in favor of that proposition? BzaDem Aug 2016 #234

To be clear, I am talking about those voters. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #306

This message was self-deleted by its author AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #298

Stein would be running anti Trump ads if she was a Progressive obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #160

Why are people so concerned about a 5% candidate, then? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #166

You tell me. I have no idea. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #181

Were you born in 2001? skepticscott Aug 2016 #204

Gore won Florida and it was stolen. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #303

If Nader hadn't run skepticscott Aug 2016 #333

I am arguing that greens are progressives Gore1FL Aug 2016 #335

Why don't you answer the question that if she was progressive, why AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #299

I am not a Stein supporter nor do I work with her campaign Gore1FL Aug 2016 #301

But you are defending her and her campaign. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #302

No I am not Gore1FL Aug 2016 #305

I don't think anyone is trying peel those voters away from the green party. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #308

But the Dems are peeling GOP voters away. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #309

The democratic party IS the big tent of political views. Always has been. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #310

Do you have a link to support that claim? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #311

No. I don't have a link and it is Saturday morning AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #316

If you can't support your assertions you shouldn't make them. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #339

So you disregard everything else? Figures... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #344

"everything else" was continued unsupported assertions, too. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #345

Here: AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #348

Now let's add the Independent graph included in your article: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #350

I never said anything about insulting the liberal sector. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #353

I did. It was the response to the OP that set this all off. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #354

I get where you are coming from but NO ONE AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #356

I'm not defending Stein or her ads Gore1FL Aug 2016 #357

"Liberals" who put out attacks on the only progressive nominee AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #396

Nope. Sorry. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #400

They have a right to criticize however they want. You don't get to censor them. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #404

I am not trying to censor people. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #405

Because they aren't running for election. This is a discussion board AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #412

"stupid party unity shit" is really a silly thing for you to complain about Gore1FL Aug 2016 #414

It offends me that you feel the need to go around telling people AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #415

...Says the person who doesn't want others to express themselves. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #417

I am not defending Jill Stein Gore1FL Aug 2016 #387

How bizarre that it has become controversial to suggest "if your want someone's vote, probably you Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #388

What part of they are not joining us NO MATTER WHAT do you not get? AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #397

Then they aren't detracting from Hillary's vote count by not voting for her. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #403

YOU are the one that keeps bringing up party unity and shit. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #407

"Party Unity and shit" is the attitude I am trying to adjust. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #411

90% have already pivoted. It's over. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #413

Is see, so we should pretend we are on a playground and call people names. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #416

It's not name calling. It is called math. Sorry it offends you. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #418

The weird name-calling offends me. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #419

I am not digging up more obvious stuff. Go do your homework. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #420

Math doesn't offend me. Name calling offends me. You haven't presented any math. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #425

Math involves numbers. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #422

I don't know what the hell your point is. Noone is sitting on their laurels. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #424

My point is being civil is a good thing. For whatever reason, you disagree. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #426

You are going around in circles now. And I am going to call you out on your incivility. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #430

I am not going around in circles. I have said we should be civil. I still am. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #431

It is called TOS. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #433

I am familiar with it. In fact, there is a whole section on civility: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #434

Incivility is not tolerated when it is directed at democrats. The rest are free for plucking. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #435

You forgot about this part: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #436

Key words are Democratic coalition. The green party is not part of that. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #437

Yeah they are. Let me explain how the two party system for president works. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #438

Is that why the green party put out attack ads on the democratic nominee? AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #439

I am talking about the voters, still. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #440

Quit hiding behind the word civil. You use it for your own agenda. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #441

I am not saying you are uncivil You are arguing that it's a good idea. I am not sure why. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #442

I didn't say it was a good idea. What I keep saying is that you don't get to tell people HOW to talk AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #443

I am free to tell people my opinion. It's my opinion that calling people names is silly. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #445

You just like to harass people then. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #446

I am not harassing anyone. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else Gore1FL Aug 2016 #448

The only divisiveness is your dictating how people should express themselves. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #452

I am asking people to refrain from name-calling. The name calling is divisive, to be sure. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #453

They can call green officials whatever they want. You seem AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #454

It's normal adult behavior not to call people names. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #456

You miss the point entirely. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #460

You consider suggesting that we not call people names here, harassment? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #464

It is called free speech. Quit harassing people here. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #472

Where have I harrased people? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #477

This is the last time I repeat this. People have a right to express their AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #499

I never said they didn't have the right. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #501

It is divisive b/c you are defending the green party on a democratic board. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #504

I am not defending the Green party. I am suggesting that being uncivil is not useful. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #506

It is also normal to call people names in their anger. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #461

I am not dictating. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #463

My position is not untenable. Yours is, though. You are harassing democrats on a democratic board. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #473

How am I harassing people by asking them to not to call people names? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #478

Go look all up and down this thread. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #479

Responding to people responding to me is harrassment? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #481

It's better than the story you're going with. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #498

That being civil is not as divisive as not? That good manners are a positive thing? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #500

People can express their opinions however they want. Get off your high horse. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #502

I never said they couldn't. I just said doing so was divisive and ineffective Gore1FL Aug 2016 #503

It is not decisive if you support the democratic nominee. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #505

The word is "divisive." and has little to do with who I support. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #507

I know the word is divisive. Auto correct thought otherwise. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #510

I don't generally alert, so I'll let your violations go. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #511

It is not black and white. Tolerance is a great concept that I AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #512

Here's another one: AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #351

Maybe she is more interested in pushing the Dem party more to the left womanofthehills Aug 2016 #470

With Trump as president? Riiiight.... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #471

Her numbers are so low I don't see her having much of an effect womanofthehills Aug 2016 #474

That's very true. She won't make a difference. Her #'s are too low. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #475

It's tweets as well? SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #174

She ran against Obama in 2012, has called him a "war criminal," said he was just like Romney Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #214

Thanks. I never really paid attention to her before. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #228

Jill Stein isn't a progressive. D23MIURG23 Aug 2016 #225

She told Jill Stein to fuck off not a progressive. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #257

Yeah, I'm seeing them in Michigan. She has a LOT of nerve equating HRC with Drumpf. catbyte Aug 2016 #27

Wonder where the money is coming from? Nader took Repub money for his last campaign... Hekate Aug 2016 #31

Gotta be Koch money or some such right wing super pac groundloop Aug 2016 #34

Whoa. I did not know that. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #72

I wonder who paid for Jill's slick ads? farmbo Aug 2016 #38

I wanna know. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #73

As a Bernie supporter, I find Stein's message beyond the pale. GoneOffShore Aug 2016 #46

Good lord! PatSeg Aug 2016 #48

Stein is running attack ads against Hillary. In swing states. DanTex Aug 2016 #53

If you are insinuating something, PatSeg Aug 2016 #68

You're the one insinuating: "This can't possibly be Democratic Underground." DanTex Aug 2016 #75

If she's running attack ads against Hillary, SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #76

And that is fine PatSeg Aug 2016 #85

Not in a rational world. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #88

Some say he got more blame than he deserved PatSeg Aug 2016 #96

I see what you're saying. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #116

I am in New Hampshire PatSeg Aug 2016 #119

Yep. Interesting times. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #121

Do not let yourself be bullied by transparent Green-party apologists Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #150

Seems like you're passive-aggressively defending Charles Bukowski Aug 2016 #93

Welcome to DU PatSeg Aug 2016 #99

You're right. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #122

You've been a pleasure to talk with PatSeg Aug 2016 #127

Same here. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #130

Oh yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #135

Okay label Stein in a manner she richly deserves - "Totally Unqualified" CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #484

"Totally Unqualified" PatSeg Aug 2016 #492

I agree about over the top, sort of. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #97

Oh yes, yes, yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #102

. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #108

Of course she is a threat. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #466

Waste energy? SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #79

Trump is the threat! PatSeg Aug 2016 #86

Right. And she might make a real good decoy. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #89

I don't know a lot about her, PatSeg Aug 2016 #114

As far as I'm concerned SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #128

I can't figure out what she is trying PatSeg Aug 2016 #131

So true. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #133

You see I lived through the 2000 election Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #183

I understand that PatSeg Aug 2016 #197

Attack Ads Gaytheist212 Aug 2016 #187

Welcome to DU PatSeg Aug 2016 #320

Folks are legitimately upset because she is wittingly or unwittingly enabling Trump... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #317

I understand PatSeg Aug 2016 #322

"the ugly slanderous attacks" are Stein attacking Hillary obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #161

No one is suggesting PatSeg Aug 2016 #170

My nutty cousin supports her.. mountain grammy Aug 2016 #50

Obscenities and name calling . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #57

Do you have a problem with me calling Trump an idiot? DanTex Aug 2016 #61

Yes, because it shows that . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #66

Really? I'm no better than Trump is? DanTex Aug 2016 #67

Your brand of hate is better? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #140

Your distress over Stein and Trump being called naughty words is such a tell Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #153

I understand the difference between the nomination phase and the actual election. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #164

Oh I see. Your outrage at name-calling is election-cycle dependent and applies only to others. Well Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #206

As opposed to yours which is apparently constant. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #294

I'm OK with that lingo, (not that you need my permission) FairWinds Aug 2016 #190

Have you tried "respectfully reaching out" to a Trump supporter? ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #84

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #151

Yes, I have, frequently . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #189

Sorry, the behavior of Stein reported here SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #83

You know PatSeg Aug 2016 #125

Good points, agree. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #132

Yes I think you're right PatSeg Aug 2016 #136

I've never said to be nice to Jill Stein MrScorpio Aug 2016 #58

It is an election. We're not North Korea. Do you hate democracy? George Eliot Aug 2016 #70

It didn't always used to be this hateful PatSeg Aug 2016 #81

I like democracy, and I also like my right to speak out against right-wing idiots like DanTex Aug 2016 #82

Amen, and thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #92

Hear hear! redstateblues Aug 2016 #106

I'm with you, DanTex, and THANK YOU for this thread! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #154

Baloney. Jill Stein is s a spoiler and if you love Democracy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #259

you say "Jill Stein never does anything worthwhile" - definitely not true womanofthehills Aug 2016 #469

What? Her anti-vax routine? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #485

Who is funding those high priced ads? kimbutgar Aug 2016 #74

Me either. Follow the money. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #113

There is no need to treat Stein with kid gloves Gothmog Aug 2016 #77

"Jill who" angrychair Aug 2016 #80

I hope you're right. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #87

Now that is a really good question PatSeg Aug 2016 #115

A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #90

Amen. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #123

That's like "being nice" to a runaway staph infection. No. You nip that shit in the bud. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #100

I saw one today MFM008 Aug 2016 #103

Jill Stein has to be receiving money from GOP sources UCmeNdc Aug 2016 #104

Hyperbole Much? billhicks76 Aug 2016 #111

But I still wonder where Jill Steins money resources come from? UCmeNdc Aug 2016 #117

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #120

Ads Cheaper Than You Realize billhicks76 Aug 2016 #124

Good point, but still - SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #138

This is true PatSeg Aug 2016 #143

I'm afraid of anyone SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #126

Well Donald Trump Is Handing Votes To Hillary billhicks76 Aug 2016 #141

Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #144

Good point PatSeg Aug 2016 #139

Johnson Has 3-4 Times As Many Vote As Hillary And Climbing Rapidly. billhicks76 Aug 2016 #142

Jill Stein PatSeg Aug 2016 #146

Excuse me? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #184

Lol. Typo billhicks76 Aug 2016 #253

You had me searching for a Michigan poll...lol. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #260

Trump Losing Detroit Suburb Republicans Fast billhicks76 Aug 2016 #263

I get it...LOL Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #264

I presume that you mean 3-4 times as many votes as Stein. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #249

Typo billhicks76 Aug 2016 #254

Jill Stein likes to lie so just underthematrix Aug 2016 #152

That means the Libertarian party is pro-Clinton ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #155

What? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #318

I'm just exploring the logic that left-wing third parties actually ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #359

You assume they have the same intentions. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #363

What is the evidence the Green Party receives money ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #377

She is an idiot and anti-science. Lunabell Aug 2016 #156

If you use your Jillenstein translation device... JSup Aug 2016 #157

Who the hell is paying for thiose ads? obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #158

That's also what I keep wondering. n/t MBS Aug 2016 #162

I heard this woman tell Sam Seder the weekend of the 2012 election.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #159

Wow. So many folks obsessed with Jill Stein. bigwillq Aug 2016 #167

Its rather bizarre, isn't it? PatSeg Aug 2016 #172

I knew all along that JPR's anti vax nutter darling workinclasszero Aug 2016 #168

You Can Hate Her But... colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #185

Snopes didn't blow up anything workinclasszero Aug 2016 #193

Here's what was on Snopes oberliner Aug 2016 #200

She is disingenuous workinclasszero Aug 2016 #201

Those are weasel words rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #409

Not to go off track here, but the MMR vaccine has some questions about its safety. FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #216

Stein is an anti-science pandering quack. There. Now we're back on track. I know you were worried. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #229

yeah right. zappaman Aug 2016 #238

Jill Stein is our competition. That is why we are not being nice to her. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #188

Greens are a millstone around the neck of the progressive moment Politicub Aug 2016 #198

I had someone here tell me they actually thought she would be a fine president. zappaman Aug 2016 #209

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #211

Stein and Nader are a reminder that the far left can be as crazy as the far right. DanTex Aug 2016 #221

I'm far left, and a radical environmentalist. hunter Aug 2016 #242

Fuck that Naderite "Dems are just Repukes" steaming load of bullshit. This is NOT Green Underground. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #223

Amen! Amen! Thom Hartmann has been saying this same thing for a long, long time -- that Jill Stein Akamai Aug 2016 #219

Jill Stein is a fucking embarassment. D23MIURG23 Aug 2016 #220

Saw the commerical for the first time locally.. and she is dismissing Trump as just clueless. Peacetrain Aug 2016 #222

Jill Stein calls Trump clueless. Cue Alanis Morissette! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #233

Didn't know she was this bad. lark Aug 2016 #230

These third party people should be going for 2020 because... Stellar Aug 2016 #232

Is it neccessary to claim the Greens are the enemy? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #235

It is accurate to claim that Stein is the opposition. But spin on if you feel you must. Squinch Aug 2016 #239

LOL!! It's "spin" to go to the extreme. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #240

The Greens declared us the enemy. Jill Stein is running ads against Hillary as we speak. DanTex Aug 2016 #243

Still consider it to be bad policy to call everyone else the enemy.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #252

Yes it is neccessary to claim the Greens are the enemy. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #324

The Greens don't do that. Ralph Nader does that.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #347

Who is paying for Jill stein's ads...it will come out. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #371

Next you'll claim they're a republican front group. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #376

Based on their actions and who they help...the might as well be a GOP front group but no Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #390

I used to hear that about Greenpeace from someone in the Sierra Club. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #408

Exactly right. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #421

This is why we lose. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #444

WE have lost due to Green Spoiler who hurt the country and millions of innocent people Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #490

Ralph didn't lose us the 2000 election. Fat Tony did. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #509

The Greens are not our allies. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #334

I believe in forming coalitions..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #352

No. We are competeing for the same voters. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #355

We need to attract the folks attracted to them by adopting their positions... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #360

She seems rather vile flamingdem Aug 2016 #245

the worst mistake I made in my life SheriffBob Aug 2016 #246

Can't stand her jeanmarc Aug 2016 #250

A lot of people have seen the ads in the past few days. Onyrleft Aug 2016 #255

Here's my take: Jill Stein DOES want to see President Trump and all the resulting mayhem... Still In Wisconsin Aug 2016 #258

I've no problem being nice to her... Lithos Aug 2016 #261

Good point. Some folks are saying that she may not have been able to recertify. greatlaurel Aug 2016 #273

There has been a lot of money given to opposite spectrum candidates Lithos Aug 2016 #276

To hell with Jill Stein. ronnykmarshall Aug 2016 #270

Where does Bernie fit in this? Whimsey Aug 2016 #282

Stein is anything but Presidential material Ken_Jones21 Aug 2016 #312

Welcome to DU PatSeg Aug 2016 #319

Welcome to DU.How did you find this forum, I am always interested in learning that uppityperson Aug 2016 #346

No. Rex Aug 2016 #325

Me either PatSeg Aug 2016 #328

Greens are hated on this site, it is very obvious. Rex Aug 2016 #329

I've tried to imagine what it must be like PatSeg Aug 2016 #330

We do. Rex Aug 2016 #331

Wow, that would be really overwhelming PatSeg Aug 2016 #332

Also Germany is smaller and not made up of states that are gerrymandered into Rex Aug 2016 #343

I suppose it is hard PatSeg Aug 2016 #349

...and the Chancellor of Germany has alway comes from two of them... brooklynite Aug 2016 #341

Not only that they all got logos! Rex Aug 2016 #342

I know a few Greens Wolf Frankula Aug 2016 #327

You are exactly correct. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #362

I don't even want to read this thread so I'll just throw this in. randome Aug 2016 #340

Stein is trying to get trump elected Gothmog Aug 2016 #358

Stein is trying to expand the Green Party and to pull the electorate to the left. She isn't trying Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #391

She is not trying to expand the Green Party Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #394

Of course she is. Stein wants to hurt Hillary and get Trump elected. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #398

The Minnesota Twins are not the allies of the Chicago Cubs. Yet it is silly to say that the Twins Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #401

That assumes their motives are good and pure. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #406

All those you listed were bad for the party they split with. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #399

Take the higher path, or: Let us now praise Jill Stein WillyBrandt Aug 2016 #410

That's about right! Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #423

Hillarious. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #488

I'm a high school teacher in the NY metro area lapucelle Aug 2016 #429

@#$% Jill Stein. Scurrilous Aug 2016 #447

kick Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #489