2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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203. Uh-uh: Green functions for spite voting.

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:15 AM

Jul 2016

Last edited Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:48 AM - Edit history (1)

Seems to be an important function. It's sad when a list of Obama's exciting, inspiring accomplishments, and Clinton's promise of so more to come, make no dent in negative emotions that overwhelm all else.

It seems not everyone is emotionally suited to the very imperfect gives and takes of democracy. My guess is 2016 will become just the latest in a series of self-inflicted but bitter disappointments unless they can remember why they should care which party is elected.

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Events in Philly are making a pretty damn strong case for closed primaries. [View all] DanTex Jul 2016 OP

Letting Bernie run as a Democrat was treestar Jul 2016 #1

Yup. It's looking that way. Hopefully his speech tonight can get things under control. DanTex Jul 2016 #5

He had no control over them during he speech to them this morning, and he'll have not control politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #44

Feel pretty sure you're right. Oh, well. Hortensis Jul 2016 #196

There were actually another 12 candidates Hortensis Jul 2016 #13

You've said this before and repeating it doesn't make it so. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #46

Yes probably some rule about having to have treestar Jul 2016 #58

This guy pkdu Jul 2016 #59

Lol. Yes, Mr. Supreme was one of the nine. Hortensis Jul 2016 #86

If invisible, can you really count them? GOP got theirs out in front of voters. DNC? George Eliot Jul 2016 #154

Apparently not. Nobody seems to have known Hortensis Jul 2016 #171

Horsepucky.It's media's (remember the fourth estate Constitutionally?) job to get the word out. George Eliot Jul 2016 #193

Horsepucky yourself. The media are private enterprise. Hortensis Jul 2016 #195

So you don't believe in Constitution? George Eliot Jul 2016 #199

What can I say to that that'd be worth Hortensis Jul 2016 #202

Maybe Bernie didn't want them clogging up his stage. Hortensis Jul 2016 #66

What about Deez Nuts? AngryAmish Jul 2016 #133

There's likely some rule about having enough support treestar Jul 2016 #57

Treestar, see my post above. The "right" of the DNC Hortensis Jul 2016 #79

If you're arguing that everybody running should be at debates mythology Jul 2016 #185

An introduction of candidates wouldn't have Hortensis Jul 2016 #186

+1, yes, totally agreed. R B Garr Jul 2016 #20

Martin O'Malley might have done better if Bernie hadn't been in the race. His supporters were Dems. pnwmom Jul 2016 #76

I voted for Bernie, and I'm a Dem as are my kids and all of their friends adigal Jul 2016 #205

l'gasp! Bucky Jul 2016 #77

That's kind of dumb treestar Jul 2016 #108

Bernie As VP Would've Avoided All Of This Drama billhicks76 Jul 2016 #114

Reality is he was never supportive enough of Hillary to be considered. bettyellen Jul 2016 #136

That's BS Historically billhicks76 Jul 2016 #139

The fragile newcomers? They're booing people at the stadium. bettyellen Jul 2016 #141

Yes Fragile billhicks76 Jul 2016 #142

Sanders was obviously shocked by the boos from his own "supporters" too- bettyellen Jul 2016 #147

Politics isn't for the fragile. I'd suggest people get over fragility. George Eliot Jul 2016 #155

The fragility you speak of is only in your imagination. bettyellen Jul 2016 #157

So now the Brits are mindless. Sometimes emotion overwhelms intellect. George Eliot Jul 2016 #159

I'm totally calm- it's the BObs who have lost their shit.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #160

No, emotions generate words like shit and BOBS...not intellect. Too much hate on DU. George Eliot Jul 2016 #162

No- my I mouth generates the word shit and also fuck quite often. Even when I am content! bettyellen Jul 2016 #164

Bernie's dithering after he was mathematically eliminated in PDs sunk him. apnu Jul 2016 #221

Those open primaries and the caucuses were exhibit 1 for closed primaries in all states. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #2

The GOPs primaries were Closed and no one said a thing about it. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #48

This is inaccurate. surrealAmerican Jul 2016 #61

One of the reasons Dump didn't get a majority of those who cast votes. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #74

Closed primaries. No caucuses. onehandle Jul 2016 #3

I agree totally radical noodle Jul 2016 #53

agree with this totally^^^ northoftheborder Jul 2016 #83

A-fuckin'-men. nt Codeine Jul 2016 #143

^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #179

Close the primaries and have a rule that Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #4

And have been elected to office as a Democrat at least once. onehandle Jul 2016 #6

At least that way we wouldn't have anyone like Trump with that requirement. :) LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #81

How about REelected at least once? jmowreader Jul 2016 #123

Or have to change party designation 6 months prior to primary election. Justice Jul 2016 #18

I like this idea, too. "must be a member of the party for at least R B Garr Jul 2016 #23

I would have said 2 years, but otherwise I agree (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #180

Closed caucuses are even more important. DURHAM D Jul 2016 #7

Caucuses have to go, period. DanTex Jul 2016 #9

Agreed Justice Jul 2016 #19

That's why we need to abolish caucuses. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #10

Yep. Almost every woman I know in Washington who supported Hillary LisaM Jul 2016 #47

That's what I hate about caucuses – people are intimidated into supporting a candidate. sarae Jul 2016 #111

She won by six percent which means had three percent voted B, it would have been tie. George Eliot Jul 2016 #156

No caucuses, period. nt Codeine Jul 2016 #144

Be careful what you wish for. cloudbase Jul 2016 #8

Sanders wouldn't have gone third party. He's no Ralph Nader. DanTex Jul 2016 #11

You Base That On What Exactly? billhicks76 Jul 2016 #49

What Bernie said. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #88

Well If He Had Then This Poster Would Have Even More To Complain About billhicks76 Jul 2016 #92

The fact that he didn't run third party maybe? liberalnarb Jul 2016 #98

Wrong, he might have been vetted more and then reality would have set in. R B Garr Jul 2016 #26

I think you are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #37

Absolutely! Hillary's campaign avoided that as much as possible. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #84

If Sanders had gone Third Party from the beginning ... NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #29

Not to mention the Democrat party moving even more Republican-lite (nt) bekkilyn Jul 2016 #31

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions and a$$holes. Everyone's got one. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #62

Dump caucuses altogether oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #12

Absolutely! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #14

I really don't like this Sanders supporter who is speaking right now. procon Jul 2016 #15

I heard her on NPR say the same things. SharonClark Jul 2016 #126

We have rules in the DNC, expect to abide by those rules, we know we can change rules Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #16

Bullshit! B Calm Jul 2016 #17

They are beyond the "Far Left." They are the MEGA INSANE LOONEY TOONS LEFT. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #21

Really? liberalnarb Jul 2016 #99

Green Party members are allies of the GOP? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #22

If that's not whining, what is? George Eliot Jul 2016 #25

Voter oppression? Democratic value? That many Greens, party'd be doing better. And Martin O'Malley? George Eliot Jul 2016 #24

Greens are obviously GOP supporters. They have accomplished absolutely nothing DanTex Jul 2016 #27

Bloomberg Is A Republican billhicks76 Jul 2016 #55

No, he's not. He's an independent, same as Bernie was until he ran for president. DanTex Jul 2016 #68

That's LaLa Land billhicks76 Jul 2016 #70

Right, Bill, Labels mean very little in politics. I yearned this year for attention to issues but... George Eliot Jul 2016 #161

So you are for super delegates,TPP & fracking? Greens-they aren't in your party. They're greens. George Eliot Jul 2016 #153

Superdelegates, no. Speaking of which, don't you find it ironic that the Bernie or Busters DanTex Jul 2016 #158

I wouldn't say cannabis_flower Jul 2016 #28

Most of the Bernie delegates raising a ruckus are from closed primary states. B Calm Jul 2016 #30

There would be more of them if those primaries were open. DanTex Jul 2016 #32

Glad you admitted that. B Calm Jul 2016 #33

It's not a big secret. Bernie did better in caucuses and open primaries. DanTex Jul 2016 #34

How do you know this? Sheepshank Jul 2016 #91

The states listed below utilize closed primaries/caucuses for presidential nominating contests. B Calm Jul 2016 #104

Delegates are elected at state conventions Omaha Steve Jul 2016 #35

Closed primaries would make it more difficult for non-Democrats to win delegates DanTex Jul 2016 #39

Comments in your post are making a pretty damn strong case that you don't understand... phleshdef Jul 2016 #36

Don't delegates have to be registered democrats for at least 2 years? B Calm Jul 2016 #60

How is your question relevant to my post? Martin Eden Jul 2016 #137

"that Green Party types are not allies of progressives, they are allies of the GOP." retrowire Jul 2016 #38

It's absolutely true. DanTex Jul 2016 #41

facepalm. you're going on my ignore list once and for all after this retrowire Jul 2016 #51

So you can't name a single accomplishment. DanTex Jul 2016 #63

Perot Was A Spoiler billhicks76 Jul 2016 #69

Yes, he was. Although he took votes from both sides, but he did help Clinton. DanTex Jul 2016 #72

You're Breaking The Rules billhicks76 Jul 2016 #87

What rule am I breaking? Jill Stein is not a Democrat, she is a GOP ally, and there's DanTex Jul 2016 #90

You Will Defend Anything Regardless Of Facts billhicks76 Jul 2016 #94

Fact: Jill Stein is not a Democrat. DanTex Jul 2016 #95

Yawn billhicks76 Jul 2016 #106

When you wake up, maybe you can give me a list of the Green Party's accomplishments. DanTex Jul 2016 #107

You're Not Worth The Time billhicks76 Jul 2016 #112

Or maybe you can't list the accomplishments because there are none. DanTex Jul 2016 #113

Good Luck With Everything billhicks76 Jul 2016 #116

Sorry to interrupt but...what are accomplishments of dems? I'm not talking FDR. George Eliot Jul 2016 #163

Let's see. Obamacare, preventing the economy from descending into depression, DanTex Jul 2016 #165

Band aids. What we get from the usual politicians. George Eliot Jul 2016 #194

Again tell me one thing the Green Party has accomplished. DanTex Jul 2016 #197

Red herring. Defend your claim. George Eliot Jul 2016 #198

Nope. The Greens are totally useless, that's my claim. And I'm right. DanTex Jul 2016 #201

Uh-uh: Green functions for spite voting. Hortensis Jul 2016 #203

The Green Party functions for Trump voting. DanTex Jul 2016 #208

It's unfortunate that you feel that way. Hortensis Jul 2016 #204

19 states have no party registration, by law! longship Jul 2016 #40

OK, those states can have open primaries. Closed primaries where possible. DanTex Jul 2016 #43

That is up to the state party, too. (Re: caucuses) longship Jul 2016 #45

Maybe Try Uniting People Instead If Calling Them Crazies billhicks76 Jul 2016 #65

I don't want to be united with people who shout down Elijah Cummings DanTex Jul 2016 #71

No One Is Voting For Trump At Convention billhicks76 Jul 2016 #110

as long as we have Repugnants who R happy to fuck with our democracy, we MUST have closed primaries. Bill USA Jul 2016 #42

Then political parties need to pay for the primary elections. B Calm Jul 2016 #50

I don't mind if we pay for the Green party primary or the Bernie Independents primary unless it's Bill USA Jul 2016 #188

k & R -- Great post obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #52

Some local party allowed those people to be delegates. Tatiana Jul 2016 #54

norman solomon is a green and he is leading bernie's california delegation BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #56

Oh Yeah! Lots of tweets saying that, too. Cha Jul 2016 #64

I think it's a good case for a parliamentary system... MellowDem Jul 2016 #67

Do the Greens know that if they elect Trump bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #73

You think they won't show up anyway? Bucky Jul 2016 #75

Protestors sure, but we definitely don't need crazies like this at our convention. DanTex Jul 2016 #78

A valuable point. Bucky Jul 2016 #85

Exactly. Andy823 Jul 2016 #80

The DNC doesn't really have all that much say what happens in the states. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #82

The DNC decides whether to allocate more than 0 delegates to states with open primaries. BzaDem Jul 2016 #93

I noticed the DNC didn't pass on California. eom fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #169

I'm not saying the DNC has chosen to do this. BzaDem Jul 2016 #170

Florida and Michigan only had half their delegates strippes away, not all of them. Exilednight Jul 2016 #212

Oh definately should have closed primaries. riversedge Jul 2016 #89

"Green Party types are not allies of progressives, they are allies of the GOP." PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #96

It's actually an "if you're against us then you're against us" mentality. DanTex Jul 2016 #100

If you didn't have Dems and Repubs working hand-in-hand to keep a two-party system going PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #118

The two party system is a result of the winner-take-all system we have. DanTex Jul 2016 #120

i ran my counties caucus..i find this post insulting and quite frankly bullshit dembotoz Jul 2016 #97

You are in denial. FloriTexan Jul 2016 #101

Nobody messed with anybody's votes. Conspiracy theories belong in Creative Speculation. DanTex Jul 2016 #102

That you believe that FloriTexan Jul 2016 #119

That you think belief in outlandish nonsense not supported by fact, evidence or reality synergie Jul 2016 #200

Take the CT bullshit elsewhere. nt Codeine Jul 2016 #145

"The Big Tent" only expands rightward apparently. TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #103

^^^^^^^^ mike_c Jul 2016 #105

If anyone is to blame for that, it is the far left. DanTex Jul 2016 #117

There is no "far left" of note in this country and history didn't start with any issue you presented TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #189

There is Jill Stein, and Nader before her. DanTex Jul 2016 #190

I said he was run out of the Republicans because he isn't a neoBircher TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #218

It doesn't matter what Stein's positions are. DanTex Jul 2016 #220

+1 x100 n/t Martin Eden Jul 2016 #132

Open and transparent Lordquinton Jul 2016 #109

Got that right! To hell with these Trump/Putin acolytes. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #115

And even more superdelegates! glennward Jul 2016 #121

Nailed it, DanTex SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #122

There's a minority of selfish anarchists in the crowd. For the first time I can see Trump as having Trust Buster Jul 2016 #124

The green Party IS NOT ALLIES OF THE GOP. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #125

Of course they are. DanTex Jul 2016 #128

DanTex, that'S ridiculous ... and you know it I'm sure. KPN Jul 2016 #134

Let's be honest for a second. DanTex Jul 2016 #140

I guess I would describe it as a Party that has rejected KPN Jul 2016 #146

Lets be honest WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #166

Except for the fact that the Green Party will never have won a major election, no. DanTex Jul 2016 #167

Well, believe you or my lying eyes and ears hunh? tia uponit7771 Jul 2016 #130

The entire primary has provided a strong case. liberal N proud Jul 2016 #127

This may be odd for me to say, but Senator Sanders absolutely had a right to run ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #129

My, you are conservative! KPN Jul 2016 #148

Accurate terminology ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #168

Swing and a miss! KPN Jul 2016 #173

You accurately described yourself ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #174

Lol. KPN Jul 2016 #177

You're not laughing ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #191

Because shutting people out of the democratic (small d) process is such a good thing. Martin Eden Jul 2016 #131

If these booing jackasses are the "left", we're better off without them. DanTex Jul 2016 #135

OK. Looking forward to seeing those "plenty of ways". KPN Jul 2016 #149

Mike Bloomberg will be endorsing Hillary in prime time. That's one way. DanTex Jul 2016 #150

Haha. Oh, that'll be huge! KPN Jul 2016 #172

It is pretty huge. A widely respected centrist, lots of business credentials, appeal to swing votes DanTex Jul 2016 #181

I fully support open primaries. bigwillq Jul 2016 #138

Absolutely.... FarPoint Jul 2016 #151

It's a way to limit democracy! immoderate Jul 2016 #152

You can have a small pure tent or a big diverse tent. Both tents have some appeal but bigger tents Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #175

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2016 #176

This is what a big fucking tent looks like. Orsino Jul 2016 #178

Bernie or Busters don't want a big tent, they want to tear the tent down. DanTex Jul 2016 #182

I insist that our nominee try to win these voters. Orsino Jul 2016 #183

I insist our nominee try to beat Trump. I'm in favor of whatever strategy is most effective. DanTex Jul 2016 #184

So what will make us different than the Repubs is we keep going right? adigal Jul 2016 #207

The Greens don't belong at our convention DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #187

Thank you! You're absolutely correct. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #209

I'm pretty sure the "open/closed" discussion will die a quick death now Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #192

What you going to do when the big tent shrinks down to a campout shelter? hobbit709 Jul 2016 #206

Replace the Green nutjobs with centrists. I'll take Bloomberg over Jill Stein any day. DanTex Jul 2016 #210

keep telling yourself that in your lonely little tent. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #211

There are far more centrists than there are Greens. DanTex Jul 2016 #213

Maybe you should read Thomas Frank's book hobbit709 Jul 2016 #214

Has Thomas Frank won elections? No. DanTex Jul 2016 #215

A lot of people have won elections. If winning is your only criterion. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #216

Winning elections is important. One of the many things the Greens seem DanTex Jul 2016 #217

Maybe Trump trolls? BainsBane Jul 2016 #219