2016 Postmortem

PatSeg

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71. And there also are different opinions about whether

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:40 PM

Jul 2016

DWS is good for the Democratic party. She has a very poor track record as DNC chair - not very good a winning elections and been caught lying numerous times.

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Emails Released by WikiLeaks Appear to Show DNC Trying to Aid Hillary Clinton [View all] Vattel Jul 2016 OP

Still fighting the Primaries, eh? n/t SFnomad Jul 2016 #1

It's more nefarious than that. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #2

Yup. KMOD Jul 2016 #29

If by Democratic party you mean DNC......then yes Red Mountain Jul 2016 #115

Party seems to be strong and united... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #122

Nope HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #5

Or getting in bed w Russian intelligence as Putin attempts to get his buddy Trump elected. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #8

I have no idea HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #9

I haven't read them all and I doubt I will. Do you care that Putin's attempting to influence the US emulatorloo Jul 2016 #12

I am very concerned with Putin, but I am also concerned with the content of these DNC emails HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #16

i will go back to Bernie's statement that HRC won fair and square. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #23

Do all the mental gymnasitcs you want, these emails are very straight forward. n/t HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #25

Do all the mental gymnastics you want, this is also a Putin/Trump dirty trick. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #27

Difficult to argue avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #34

No sense in arguing, "it's all Putin and Trumps fault" jham123 Jul 2016 #150

The DNC was probably "against" Sanders because of the things that the Sanders's campaign annavictorious Jul 2016 #41

Stop fighting the primaries. cwydro Jul 2016 #75

A big who cares. Obama faced the same sort of things and won...and no matter what the voters chose. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #108

If I have been in bed with Russian intelligence, then I have to rethink my marriage. Vattel Jul 2016 #11

Lol! But Putin and Trump are so manly! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #14

They are still nonsense. DanTex Jul 2016 #67

That's my take. LAS14 Jul 2016 #121

It's a long article, but worth reading: Ilsa Jul 2016 #102

hugs Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #151

My thought exactly Mister Twilight Jul 2016 #68

I’m shocked, shocked to find that DNC was supporting HRC. N/T Big Blue Marble Jul 2016 #3

This was fair to O'Malley & the other DEMOCRATIC candidates? The DNC rules state that it must think Jul 2016 #54

Democrats aiding Hillary? Scurrilous Jul 2016 #4

It's shocking! KMOD Jul 2016 #31

It should be eqfan592 Jul 2016 #63

+1000 Cobalt Violet Jul 2016 #101

Its more bullshit from the Sanders camp creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #129

creeksneakers2—No. It’s Wikileaks. And it’s real. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #135

I know its wikileaks creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #137

This may be news to you Andy823 Jul 2016 #6

I agree. It won't change who the nominee is. Vattel Jul 2016 #7

This will change how Democratic voters PatSeg Jul 2016 #70

Doubtful. This is nothing compared to the old days of the party bosses. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #78

I remember the "Democratic machine" PatSeg Jul 2016 #117

If accountability for thought to you is treated the same as deed, you need MichiganVote Jul 2016 #118

Accountability to how PatSeg Jul 2016 #124

Perception is not fact. And these posts have become redundant. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #125

PatSeg—It’s happening in this election. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #134

Yes PatSeg Jul 2016 #142

No it won't change anything. If the DNC chairperson was actively working to support a candidate over JCanete Jul 2016 #133

What is it one says when the truth is inconvenient? think Jul 2016 #10

Inconvenient truths must be belittled and ridiculed. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #17

It's hard to stay neutral fun n serious Jul 2016 #13

Oh for Gods Sake ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #15

If the shoe fits... RonniePudding Jul 2016 #19

What the fu_k is up with WikiLeaks? Are they trying to get Trump elected? brush Jul 2016 #18

Wiki leaks is an arm of the Putin machine RonniePudding Jul 2016 #20

Die-hard Sanders supporters should ask themselves one question: geek tragedy Jul 2016 #21

The earliest email in this batch is from March. HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #36

They dumped social security numbers of donors, passports etc. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #37

Maybe, maybe not HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #38

that was my first question. Why do you think it didnt' do it sooner, when it could have maybe JCanete Jul 2016 #136

How did it aid her? zenabby Jul 2016 #22

It aided her by spreading lies and disparaging info about Bernie Sanders with the intent to damage avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #32

There came a certain point when the Sanders campaign made it clear that annavictorious Jul 2016 #43

Link please. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #50

Bernie was never an enthusiastic democrat zenabby Jul 2016 #73

Thank you. I agree. fun n serious Jul 2016 #96

Russian Times has been sowing discord among Democrats for months. annavictorious Jul 2016 #98

The DNC never employed the narrative discussed in the email. annavictorious Jul 2016 #120

The first one is just the DNC planning to defend themselves creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #130

It didn't aid her. annavictorious Jul 2016 #40

I thought I read Wikileaks Beantighe Jul 2016 #24

Wikileaks is claiming responsibility. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #28

There's only conjecture about the source SpareribSP Jul 2016 #116

Marshall and Dacey should resign. OhioBlue Jul 2016 #26

I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!!!!! N/T Kilgore Jul 2016 #30

Good. If you are paying attention you should be. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #33

Gee why would the DNC want to aid a Democrat? ucrdem Jul 2016 #35

as Hissyfit pointed out in another thread, Vattel Jul 2016 #42

Yes I understand. But Sanders for some reason made a crusade out of defeating DWS ucrdem Jul 2016 #44

he scraped it off of Politico, most likely wyldwolf Jul 2016 #85

I wasn't claiming that the DNC did anything illegal. Vattel Jul 2016 #87

The longer the primaries went on, annavictorious Jul 2016 #39

well, I don't want to refight the primaries, but let me just say that Vattel Jul 2016 #46

And there also are different opinions about whether PatSeg Jul 2016 #71

Great speech by Hillary today, BTW. LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #45

Today, Saturday? k8conant Jul 2016 #47

It's still Friday here. LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #48

As a Jew and a Bernie supporter I am obviously offended by this democrattotheend Jul 2016 #49

As a democrat I'm more offended by people eating winger memes without much discernment uponit7771 Jul 2016 #55

Oh what garbage eqfan592 Jul 2016 #64

Yes, its a right wing meme to out some emails dated May 5th after Clinton statistically locked up uponit7771 Jul 2016 #91

Fuck the right-wing. The DNC is 100% to blame for this davidn3600 Jul 2016 #94

Only if you believe by May 5th that there wasn't a statistical winner of the dem primary.... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #95

Sorry it is an election year check back after November. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #109

Democrats aiding the Democrat? Say it ain't so Lebam in LA Jul 2016 #51

This is Putin stirring up trouble. apcalc Jul 2016 #52

Bullshit ass'd FAUX news meme !!! That was after Clinton damn near locked up PDs and is the standard uponit7771 Jul 2016 #53

Was the DNC neutral or not? Is being neutral not required by it's own rules? think Jul 2016 #56

Not when one candidate statistically locks up the primaries !! WTF!?!!? People just eat memes withou uponit7771 Jul 2016 #59

The ABC report pretty much states some facts. Others are free to add other relevant information. Vattel Jul 2016 #74

" that would still violate DNC's rule about impartiality..." Only if there were no CLEAR winner by.. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #80

How low does a candidate's odds have to be before impartiality is no longer required? Vattel Jul 2016 #86

Around were Sanders was at that time, about that simple.. this was no 08 primary... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #90

Sad to see but it was obvious during the primary process. jalan48 Jul 2016 #57

by May 5th there was already a clear winner uponit7771 Jul 2016 #81

wikileaks... jcgoldie Jul 2016 #58

Apearances are deceiving, and Putin is a Trump loving Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #60

Disgraceful inwiththenew Jul 2016 #61

And we do have to move forward to the general, PatSeg Jul 2016 #72

by May 5th there was already a clear winner uponit7771 Jul 2016 #82

it is a dirty system RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #62

"seems to" "attempting" Designed to whip Bernie supporters into a frenzy. glennward Jul 2016 #65

He thinks Bernie supporters are apart of the "Poorly educated" that he loves so much. timlot Jul 2016 #66

Thanks for the post Vattel. panader0 Jul 2016 #69

My emails show I tried to help Hillary, too. LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #76

Are you a party official in the DNC? Vattel Jul 2016 #77

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #83

Reform of the Democratic Party should be a priority at the convention andym Jul 2016 #79

Does anybody remember Einstein's definition of insanity? tralala Jul 2016 #103

So? wyldwolf Jul 2016 #84

I think DNC officials should be impartial between candidates. Vattel Jul 2016 #88

I agree, when they're Democrats. Martin O'Malley might have a case wyldwolf Jul 2016 #89

Ah so the DNC were actually happily ripping off their own members? Kentonio Jul 2016 #145

As we've seen, many of what you call "members" were nothing of the kind. wyldwolf Jul 2016 #148

The voting is over. Now it's about ensuring that future races are fair. Kentonio Jul 2016 #149

You're saying this race wasn't fair? wyldwolf Jul 2016 #153

There were fingers on the scale, and that shouldn't be allowed to happen again. Kentonio Jul 2016 #155

How so? wyldwolf Jul 2016 #156

Not after one of the candidate statistically locks up the primary !! uponit7771 Jul 2016 #92

What does "statistically locks up" mean? Vattel Jul 2016 #99

So the DNC is corrupt. Motown_Johnny Jul 2016 #100

No they're not. They're a private organization wyldwolf Jul 2016 #111

be careful. information may not be what you think it says DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #93

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #97

72 solid hours freaking out about Trump's wife's speech... and about this; Hillary supporters shrug. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #104

The Trump story hurts Trump...all this does is sow division which hurts Hillary. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #110

Cause by may 5th HRC had the dem primary locked and this non issue is brought... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #123

Behold... the type of politicians running the DNC: cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #105

Why even post this? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #106

and who knows if they are even true...yet you post this. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #107

In all probability, the emails are real. Vattel Jul 2016 #112

Maybe maybe not Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #113

By May 5, it was not mathematically impossible for Sanders to win. Not even close. Vattel Jul 2016 #114

It is now and that's the end of the story. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #119

yep Vattel Jul 2016 #127

They're true. DNC staffer apologizes for email on Sanders religion Arazi Jul 2016 #128

They also show what it cost to buy access at the convention Robert Cat Jul 2016 #126

If true, those responsible for colluding should be banned from running any future elections LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #131

+1000 Kentonio Jul 2016 #146

Why wouldn't the Dems work for the Dem Candidate? misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #132

That's the problem, there were more than just one Democratic candidate. B Calm Jul 2016 #144

Wait, so low level staffers at the DNC were complaining about Sanders in May? Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #138

Or like a couple of new young hires that accidentally download a bunch of misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #139

They weren't low level staffers Vattel Jul 2016 #140

Wasserman needs to go. Today. Vinca Jul 2016 #141

Agree 100%. She needs to resign now. nt oxymoron Jul 2016 #147

racketeering is not democratic or any form of representative government for the majority of America. reddread Jul 2016 #143

There is already a class action case pending in Florida. Here's a link: Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #154

Bernie KNEW there waas something very wrong going on with the DNC. napi21 Jul 2016 #152