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Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
18. I wouldn't feel so sure.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

I read in some TPP Environmental Chapter text (via New Zealand) this defining clause:

3. The Parties further recognise that it is inappropriate to establish or use their environmental laws or other measures in a manner which would constitute a disguised restriction on trade or investment between the Parties.


... and wonder who and how it would be decided what constitutes a disguised restriction on trade or investment?

I also read an analysis from the Center for International Environmental Law which is gloomy:

On October 5, 2015, the White House issued a statement by the President on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement claiming that the TPP “includes the strongest commitments on labor and the environment of any trade agreement in history, and those commitments are enforceable, unlike in past agreements.” This claim itself is unremarkable since proponents of almost every U.S. free trade agreement (FTA) formed in the past two decades have similarly promised meaningful and enforceable labor and environmental safeguards. Yet the reality of past U.S. FTA enforcement and the provisions included in the TPP suggest that this agreement, like those before it, will not guarantee environmental protection...


... So I have my doubts... To put it mildly.

The EU, btw, for similar reasons, will not pass the TTIP because France, as any EU country can, will veto it, M. Hollande has said. The mad in power in the UK might go for it, though.
The truth is, no one knows beyond the facilitation of trade ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #1
You doubt there is man-made climate change Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #2
No ... I do not doubt man-made climate change ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #7
I wouldn't feel so sure. Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #18
It's clear you don't know much about the "average American" brentspeak Jun 2016 #3
Bingo! Scuba Jun 2016 #4
So rather rather fight the last battle, how about American workers fighting to support ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #8
I get it: you consider average Americans too stupid brentspeak Jun 2016 #11
No, I consider the "Average American" to be like the average person everywhere, on any issue ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #13
No, that's you who thinks that. Because polls show most Americans favor TPP. DanTex Jun 2016 #17
Sorry, it's clear to me that you have no clue about this issue MaggieD Jun 2016 #22
Yup. The only thing I'd add is that pro-TPP people will insist that everything good DanTex Jun 2016 #16
So true. When the "truth" is somewhere in the middle. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #19
Um....no. It's more of the boiling lobster syndrome Armstead Jun 2016 #36
In other words, speculation of what will happen, if ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #40
There's nothing wrong with speculation of what wlil happen if... Armstead Jun 2016 #48
I've heard a number of small businesses in Florida are in favor of the TPP... Sancho Jun 2016 #5
As with all these trade agreements it will help some people and harm others. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #15
It probably does help agriculture TheFarseer Jun 2016 #25
I think it will help us solidify relationships with other countries, help many of those countries Hoyt Jun 2016 #6
Have you noticed... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #9
I know. There were several posts yesterday about "secret document, negotiated by corporations". eom Hoyt Jun 2016 #12
It won't n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #10
It doesn't matter if it benefits us, we have to trade with 95% of the population CK_John Jun 2016 #14
Do you need a flat screen TV made in Malaysia in order to "survive"? n/t brentspeak Jun 2016 #20
I don't have a flat screen TV now but I was in Walmart yesterday CK_John Jun 2016 #24
Shop somewhere else. You can get shoes that are made in the USA. arcane1 Jun 2016 #26
It WA state it protects Microsoft and Boeing workers MaggieD Jun 2016 #21
The same Boeing that is going to build a plant in China to cost us more jobs. floriduck Jun 2016 #27
And what makes you think it will cost jobs here? MaggieD Jun 2016 #28
Reverse that question. Why would Boeing open a plant in China and use American labor? floriduck Jun 2016 #29
I already explained that to you MaggieD Jun 2016 #32
Very sad for our own laborers. Globalization is a growing beast. floriduck Jun 2016 #33
It's reality MaggieD Jun 2016 #34
We'll agree to disagree. I'm not blaming Democrats. I'm blaming globalization. floriduck Jun 2016 #35
I am a WA state resident and I want them to support local companies MaggieD Jun 2016 #37
I bet they benefitted due to jobs in the USA, not overseas.Let's just disagree and leave it at that. floriduck Jun 2016 #38
MS And Boeing are global companies MaggieD Jun 2016 #45
Thank you. Bye! floriduck Jun 2016 #46
"Nullifies the Constitution". BWAHAHAHA! JaneyVee Jun 2016 #23
Is the Trans-Pacific Partnership Unconstitutional? pokerfan Jun 2016 #31
It is by definition, these "deals" should be subject to the treaty clause. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #39
could you explain to me how a trade deal nullifies the constitution? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #30
Google 90-percent Jun 2016 #42
The US has literally never lost an ISDS case, and NEVER WILL. joshcryer Jun 2016 #50
kick midnight Jun 2016 #41
Probably a lot. It's the gold standard (nt) bigwillq Jun 2016 #43
I suggest that folks view and listen to the President in his presser in Canada today. Learn. Jitter65 Jun 2016 #47
You see less "Made in China" and more Made in ... "Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan," etc. joshcryer Jun 2016 #49
It won't A Little Weird Jun 2016 #51
It sustains our Ponzi scheme of an economy and pushes off collapse.... LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #52
I won't speak to the efficacy or lack of efficacy of any trade agreement... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #53
It will benefit the same people who got 90+% of the recovery since 2007. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #54
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