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2016 Postmortem

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pat_k

(9,313 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:59 AM Jun 2016

Fun with California ballot numbers [View all]

I've been fiddling with numbers from CA to examine scenarios that could result is a Sanders win. I'm reluctant to post this because I know I'll get flamed, but I think it will be interesting to some people, so here it is.
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In California, the ballots that remain to be processed are mainly from people who sent their mail-in ballot very late. Older people tend to vote early, so they are over-represented in the counted votes. Younger people tend to do things at the last minute. Their votes will be over-represented in unprocessed ballots.

One scenario that would result in a Sanders' win would be if about 67% of the remaining ballots were from voters age 18 to 34 (or another demographic that skews as heavily to Sanders).

Perhaps that's outside the realm of possibility, but "just for fun," I've provided background information and calculations below.

According to the Capitol Weekly / Open California survey, voters age 18-34 broke for Sanders 78% to 22%.

The split for 35 and up can't be calculated based on the charts in the survey, but looking at the breakdown for 35-44 (Clinton 45%), 45-54 (Clinton 55%), 55-64 (Clinton 57%) and 65 and up (Clinton 65%), a 40/60 Sanders/Clinton split for voters age 35 and up wouldn't be too far off. That's what's used in this calculation.

According to the AP approximately 8.9 million voted. According to the CA SOS unprocessed ballot report, there are 2,423,607 unprocessed ballots. To estimate the number of ballots processed, subtract the unprocessed ballots from 8.9 million. The result is 6,476,393. Based on results published on the CA SOS site the number of ballots counted so far (all party primaries) is 5,629,170. If 6,476,393 were processed, and 5,629,170 counted, the rejection rate is 13%. For purposes of this calculation, a rejection rate of 15% is used (assuming the rate for unprocessed will be higher than processed).

The unprocessed ballot report includes the last time each county updated it's report. The last update for many were on 6/7, 6/8, or 6/9. This goes for some big counties. For example, the last report for San Diego, Orange, Alameda, Riverside, and Sacramento was 6/8. So, the unprocessed ballot total of 2,423,607 doesn't include mail-in ballots received between report date and deadline for receipt (6/10).

Assuming approx 3% of voters sent their ballots on 6/6 or 6/7 (to arrive 6/9 or 6/10) there would be about 250,000 late arrivals that have yet to be reported.

As reported here, 3,817,713 of the ballots counted so far are Democratic primary ballots. The total counted in all primaries is 5,629,170 (http://vote.sos.ca.gov). Therefore, 67.8% of all ballots counted were Democratic primary ballots. In the calculations below it's assumed that the same percentage of unprocessed ballots will be Democratic primary ballots.

Here are the numbers that go into the calculation. For anyone who feels like driving themselves nuts fiddling with numbers too, I've assigned variables and provided a "step-by-step" guide to make it easy to recalculate using updated reports or adjustments to the assumptions.

If you identify errors or neglected factors, let me know.

The Numbers:

C = Counted for Clinton
C = 2,128,194 a/o 6/10 report

S = Counted for Sanders
S = 1,653,416 a/o 6/10 report

99% of the Democratic primary ballots counted are allocated to Clinton and Sanders (the other 1% is distributed among other candidates)

U = Estimated unprocessed (2,423,607 a/o 6/10) plus an estimated 250,000 that arrived between last county reports and 6/10 deadline.

U = 2,673,607

M = How many votes you want Sanders to win by
M = 10,000

The Steps

Step 1. Estimate how many unprocessed are Dem primary ballots (P)

P = .687U
P = 1,836,768

Step 2. Estimate how many unprocessed Dem primary ballots will be valid (V)

V = P - .15P
V = 1,561,253

Step 3. Estimate how many valid Dem primary ballots will be allocated to Clinton and Sanders (X)


X = .99V
X = 1,545,640

Step 4. Calculate Sanders target counted ballot total for win by M votes (T)

T = (C + S + X)/2 + M/2

Using M = 10,000

T = (2,128,194 + 1,653,416 + 1,545,640)2 + 5000

T = 2,668,625

Step 5. Number of votes Sanders needs to reach target (Y)

Y = T - S

Y = 2,668,625 - 1,653,416

Y = 1,015,209

Step 6. Calculate number of valid Dem primary unprocessed that would need to come from 18 - 34 year olds (W) to give Sanders the win.

Y = .78W + .4(X-W)

1,015,209 = .76W + .4(1,545,640) - .4W

1,015,209 - 618,256 = .38W

W = 1,044,613

Step 7. Determine what percent W represents in relation to V.

W/V = Percent of valid Dem ballots that need to come from 18-34 year olds for Sanders win.

1,044,613/1,561,253 x 100 = 67%

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This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #1
final update bernie 3,567.583 - hillary zero nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
Fun with California ballot numbers. LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #3
+ - = DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #4
Thanks for the interesting work. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #5
Say that you are right and he wins California (which won't happen, of course.) Then what? Squinch Jun 2016 #6
As I said in reply #9 pat_k Jun 2016 #10
since Hillary had enough delegates Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #7
See reply #10 pat_k Jun 2016 #11
Not all unprocesseded ballots are presidential primary ballots onenote Jun 2016 #8
I plan to redo in a couple days... pat_k Jun 2016 #9
When I re-read my post this morning I realized I had made a mistake in my calculations onenote Jun 2016 #22
Checked a couple counties pat_k Jun 2016 #24
In San Bernardino county Clinton is currently beating Sanders 56.1% - 42.6% ucrdem Jun 2016 #25
Split in ballots processed since last report is closer. pat_k Jun 2016 #27
Bravo! This post is excellent, you really should get generally better comments then the first few. pantsonfire Jun 2016 #12
Thanks for the encouraging post and numbers. pat_k Jun 2016 #14
Totally! Have you considered posting this on reddit? n/t pantsonfire Jun 2016 #17
Haven't considered. pat_k Jun 2016 #20
#berniemath! MaggieD Jun 2016 #13
Beltway sphincter! pat_k Jun 2016 #15
Yeah, I think Matt Taibbi is wrong MaggieD Jun 2016 #16
Good OP bhikkhu Jun 2016 #18
Thanks, pat. They don't want us to look too closely at the numbers. senz Jun 2016 #19
The problem is the necessary assumptions all break for Bernie. ucrdem Jun 2016 #21
I'm not "hanging my hat" on anything. pat_k Jun 2016 #23
A key point I think... LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #26
Details would be nice... pat_k Jun 2016 #28
Absolutley! LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #29
Some with small counts a/o 6/7 or 6/8 might pat_k Jun 2016 #30
ok That info about the process is helpful. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #31
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