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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Not With Her, Still a Feminist [View all]AntiBank
(1,339 posts)127. ""TPP" likes it's a meme, instead of a complex trade negotiation."<<< just like.... NAFTA
She was utterly instrumental in negotiations at the highest level when it was being crafted. She is going to pull her typical spinneroo and try and shove it through, Obama is on boards and we know goddamn well so are the rest of the corporatist Rethugs and Dems.
Fracking
The fracking companies BUY acquiescence, methane and water contamination are FAR from the only problems with fracking and chemical disclosure is meaningless if they are harmful to any degree.
The ACA, if it fails to work out long term (a distinct possibility) pretty much scuppers any attempt at single payer as the old "look, we gave the government a role in health care and look at what happened, they bollocksed even that up" meme is going to be trumpeted from very right wing gully-dwelling source imaginable, thus pre poisoning the well.
As for her being a warhawk, THAT is my number one issue with her. I understand why you have to do a throw-away swipe at the author of that article, as your case that she is not an ultra aggressive in military projection and temperament is just ludicrous on its face She has Kissinger for a mentor and ROBERT FUCKING KAGAN, a despicable principal neocon and war criminal (IMHO) as one of her biggest foreign policy boosters.
Robert Kagan: Republican, Neocon, PNAC co-founder endorses Clinton
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/25/1491609/-Robert-Kagan-Republican-Neocon-PNAC-co-founder-endorses-Clinton
also
How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html
I UTTERLY stand by all my characterisation of Clinton's policy and the outcomes
those I addressed are either right wing or corporatist or non productive in terms of advance universal health care
Fracking
"I dont support it when any locality or any state is against it, No. 1. I dont support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. I dont support it No. 3 unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using.
The fracking companies BUY acquiescence, methane and water contamination are FAR from the only problems with fracking and chemical disclosure is meaningless if they are harmful to any degree.
The ACA, if it fails to work out long term (a distinct possibility) pretty much scuppers any attempt at single payer as the old "look, we gave the government a role in health care and look at what happened, they bollocksed even that up" meme is going to be trumpeted from very right wing gully-dwelling source imaginable, thus pre poisoning the well.
As for her being a warhawk, THAT is my number one issue with her. I understand why you have to do a throw-away swipe at the author of that article, as your case that she is not an ultra aggressive in military projection and temperament is just ludicrous on its face She has Kissinger for a mentor and ROBERT FUCKING KAGAN, a despicable principal neocon and war criminal (IMHO) as one of her biggest foreign policy boosters.
Robert Kagan: Republican, Neocon, PNAC co-founder endorses Clinton
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/25/1491609/-Robert-Kagan-Republican-Neocon-PNAC-co-founder-endorses-Clinton
also
How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html
As Hillary Clinton makes another run for president, it can be tempting to view her hard-edged rhetoric about the world less as deeply felt core principle than as calculated political maneuver. But Clintons foreign-policy instincts are bred in the bone grounded in cold realism about human nature and what one aide calls a textbook view of American exceptionalism. It set her apart from her rival-turned-boss, Barack Obama, who avoided military entanglements and tried to reconcile Americans to a world in which the United States was no longer the undisputed hegemon. And it will likely set her apart from the Republican candidate she meets in the general election. For all their bluster about bombing the Islamic State into oblivion, neither Donald J. Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas has demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.
I UTTERLY stand by all my characterisation of Clinton's policy and the outcomes
those I addressed are either right wing or corporatist or non productive in terms of advance universal health care
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Okay... Not sure why because both those statements have been widely reported this week.
Melissa G
Jun 2016
#45
All of us are our own person. But Hillary's achievement IS indisputably historic.
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#55
historic? first Jewish POTUS candidate to nearly win nomination and w/o corporate donations?
zazen
Jun 2016
#91
He will say (as he has all along) that she is better than Trump. Low bar and doesn't make him
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#109
Maybe she was trying to be subtle, start out slowly and build to a big finish.
NurseJackie
Jun 2016
#25
Don't be ... She's opting for the equally dramatic, alternate ending ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2016
#30
Bull, the OP was in all likelihood targeted. FFR occurs simply by having 2 posts hidden in the same
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#112
+10,000 Personal attacks are apparently okay for 'her' supporters to use. nt
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#110
I hear ya. If I haven't had coffee, I have the reading comprehension of a goldfish.
auntpurl
Jun 2016
#22
the voters decided. I don't think Hillary a gate keeper of any sort much less Gozer
Demsrule86
Jun 2016
#134
Hillary isn't "for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and saying no to single payer."
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#58
I disagree completely. She is a warhawk, she did and does support fracking, she, for ages supported
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#118
In your politifact quote you left out the part about how restrictive Clinton will be on fracking.
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#125
""TPP" likes it's a meme, instead of a complex trade negotiation."<<< just like.... NAFTA
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#127
It is ok to be in the minority, it doesn't really affect most of the middle-aged black women
Tarc
Jun 2016
#42
I'm a feminist too, and absolutely support Hillary. And I respect your right to support Bernie.
nolabear
Jun 2016
#43
long term radical feminist who's sad how profoundly you misunderstand social and economic justice
zazen
Jun 2016
#96
The world's first women leaders were from countries not known for feminism
IronLionZion
Jun 2016
#113
That you compare Clinton to a Cain says all. A lifetime putting in time, effort, $ for women and
seabeyond
Jun 2016
#49
I was looking for Warren to get a little more experience in Congress and then
George Eliot
Jun 2016
#71
My dear Rebkeh, I am concerned that feminism will forever be tainted by this campaign
Betty Karlson
Jun 2016
#123
LOL, this poster is now 'Flagged for review' which I 100% support. Trump is the enemy.
Logical
Jun 2016
#130
I applaud your ability to separate being a feminist and being a Clinton supporter.
Miles Archer
Jun 2016
#138