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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Seriously? [View all]

PJMcK

(21,916 posts)
79. Terrific analysis
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 06:56 AM
Jun 2016

Thanks for posting the link, niyad. It's quite an interesting read. I'm particularly struck by these points:

5. But what about the media blackout?
(snip)
There’s a reason Sanders did so well. Whether the nightly news would cover him or not was utterly irrelevant. If we know anything, it’s that if a network newscast covers a Democrat, it’s not good. Are you really jealous at all the “Benghazi” and “emails” shit Clinton has had to face? Lucky for all of us, people aren’t getting their news from those sources anymore.

7. The system was rigged because of closed primaries!
(snip)
That said, there have been 23 open contests, and Clinton has won 13 of them. That’s a majority. So even this stupid talking point is stupid. And you know what makes it even more stupid? Take away caucuses, so that we’re just talking about open primaries, then Clinton has won open primaries 13-6.

9. If the system is rigged, why does Sanders have more delegates than his vote share?
Sanders has won 43 percent of the popular vote, yet he’s won 46 percent of the delegates. How rigged!

Seriously? [View all] pdsimdars Jun 2016 OP
Can't back someone that can't win the nomination MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author jzodda Jun 2016 #9
The Primary and the General are different electorates. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #16
Nothing false at all MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #17
So then you're not backing Clinton? Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #20
Clinton will be the nominee because MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #31
She isn't the nominee until July 25. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #74
Pay attention "Clinton will be " MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #93
You can't win the general without first winning the primary. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #61
That isn't the point. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #75
When the party pushes one candidate AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #147
This. metroins Jun 2016 #29
Bernie lost. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #2
Berne faced a corrupt foe if the middle class Trajan Jun 2016 #30
Hillary's full incompetence was not fully known... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #64
This primary season Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #3
Every. Single. Word. Is. Hilarious. OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #4
11 reasons bernie lost this thing fair and square: niyad Jun 2016 #5
Fair and Square? tecelote Jun 2016 #76
answered in #5 treestar Jun 2016 #142
Terrific analysis PJMcK Jun 2016 #79
thank you for pointing out those particular points. alas, facts do not matter to some. niyad Jun 2016 #98
Facts don't seem to factor into some people's thinking PJMcK Jun 2016 #99
appreciate that very much! niyad Jun 2016 #102
Amen. kadaholo Jun 2016 #6
Five days... brooklynite Jun 2016 #7
How are you going to cope LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #8
"the candidate with the worst favorability of ANY candidate" missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #10
Not so. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #12
#Berniemath missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #13
meaningless response demwing Jun 2016 #107
The population of Washington missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #111
You're missing the point demwing Jun 2016 #114
No, thank you. I'm good. missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #117
Get some sleep, I don't think the next few days demwing Jun 2016 #124
I guess we'll know soon. missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #128
Is that supposed to be a joke? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #33
but in the primaries here MFM008 Jun 2016 #130
So, she has the most favorables too then , eh? apcalc Jun 2016 #54
Independents largely couldn't or didn't vote Herman4747 Jun 2016 #65
That says a lot doesn't it? pinebox Jun 2016 #84
Logic ESCAPES YOU! jzodda Jun 2016 #11
Reality ESCAPES YOU! pdsimdars Jun 2016 #14
Lets see what happens after the DC primary jzodda Jun 2016 #15
It is in the Democratic RULES. She is not the nominee until the convention. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #18
You are dancing on the head of a pin jzodda Jun 2016 #22
NO ONE IS EVER THE NOMINEE UNTIL THE CONVENTION. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #35
You are correct. She is the presumptive nominee, apcalc Jun 2016 #55
"59 percent" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #24
That is NOT reality, that is SPIN from a Bernie surrogates a few weeks ago. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #34
Is that why Bernie said he would vote for Obama in 2008 as a WhiteTara Jun 2016 #57
Did he really? That is interesting. ... 😨 AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #71
Yes. Really he did. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #100
The cognitive dissonance is really going to hurt when Sanders endorses HRC next week... JCMach1 Jun 2016 #19
No, it is not. That is just wishful thinking on your part. djean111 Jun 2016 #21
^^^ THIS ^^^ Ino Jun 2016 #25
They don't really "get" our relationship to Bernie because theirs is so cultish, and ours isn't. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #41
. Squinch Jun 2016 #90
. KitSileya Jun 2016 #105
Exactly. Bernie is a politician, we are not jack_krass Jun 2016 #63
The mass pivot to Hillary is already underway. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #73
The arguments seem to be weakening, day by day. MineralMan Jun 2016 #23
Oh gag! Please get over it! Vote for who you damn well want to. leftofcool Jun 2016 #26
Are the Buffalo Bills four-time Super Bowl champions? theboss Jun 2016 #27
Bernie drew a lot of supporters who've never paid attention to elections before. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #37
It's amazing how they fail to see how damn illogical their argument is (or they just think we are Skwmom Jun 2016 #28
I think you have something there. I am just too rational and smart to dumb myself down pdsimdars Jun 2016 #42
It's toooooo late gollygee Jun 2016 #32
Robert Reich, a Bernie supporter, takes it seriously One of the 99 Jun 2016 #36
Hillary is still not the nominee. Anyone serious about "not Trump" should push for Bernie pdsimdars Jun 2016 #44
I am not convinced Sanders would beat Trump. apcalc Jun 2016 #56
Sanders can not beat Trump. He could not get enough Dems on board. leftofcool Jun 2016 #60
Isn't it interesting that they automatically assume that all the HRC supporters would switch? KitSileya Jun 2016 #109
Feel the math. One of the 99 Jun 2016 #95
But she ISN'T until the vote at the convention. That is THE FACT. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #127
And the fact is that we already know the result of that vote. One of the 99 Jun 2016 #139
He is not a poor working person who is depending on these fucking liars to improve things onecaliberal Jun 2016 #108
True One of the 99 Jun 2016 #113
The 1% is the 1%. Period onecaliberal Jun 2016 #120
Simplistic. Things aren't so black and white. One of the 99 Jun 2016 #138
Actually they are, we have gotten exactly what we've been voting for. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #140
Again simplistic One of the 99 Jun 2016 #141
Callous? surely you just... #Blocked. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #144
Yes callous One of the 99 Jun 2016 #145
Absolutely correctomundo. Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #38
another rational being. . . . thanks pdsimdars Jun 2016 #45
We voted for the best person. Sorry it wasn't your guy. eom tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #50
Exactly! missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #112
Basically... Wilms Jun 2016 #39
You realize that you're just about one of the last holdouts here, right? Tarc Jun 2016 #40
+1 Because Berners know Bernie. ancianita Jun 2016 #43
Pssssst. She's no longer a candidate... SidDithers Jun 2016 #46
The only candidate who has defeated Trump in VOTES is HRC lunamagica Jun 2016 #47
There were 17 GOP nominees compared to 4 Dems pinebox Jun 2016 #85
And out of the three last candidates, the one in last place, with less votes was Sanders. lunamagica Jun 2016 #115
Actually I hate to tell you this pinebox Jun 2016 #118
If what you say is true, then Sanders is the weakest candidate of all lunamagica Jun 2016 #119
Wrong. pinebox Jun 2016 #121
Polls predicting an event five months away? Please. BTW, those polls are already changing lunamagica Jun 2016 #122
Wrong. tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #48
lolz you guys! obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #49
Once again, she is NOT under investigation. apcalc Jun 2016 #51
that is simply not true, why do people insist on pushing this lie? AntiBank Jun 2016 #72
Because the FBI has said so at least 5 times leftofcool Jun 2016 #77
erm no. Plus White House said it was a criminal investigation too AntiBank Jun 2016 #78
The FBI is investigating the way material is classified leftofcool Jun 2016 #81
lolol AntiBank Jun 2016 #82
Hillary is under an FBI investigation. This is a FACT. pinebox Jun 2016 #86
Yes but unless the FBI recommends indicting Hillary & it pains me 2 say as a Bernie supporter, she WILL be our nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #103
I just want to tell you that NO Bernie supporter takes this seriously. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #52
6 more days... chillfactor Jun 2016 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #70
There is no Sanders no back MFM008 Jun 2016 #58
There is not many of you lancer78 Jun 2016 #59
"posts like the OP's will be gone in 6 days" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #96
Doubtfull lancer78 Jun 2016 #97
Prove that she has been on the wrong side of every major issue MadBadger Jun 2016 #62
Why? You apparently don't have anything to say, so who wants to waste any time on that pdsimdars Jun 2016 #126
Nonsense ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #66
Bernie would CRUSH tRump! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #104
The fact that anyone is still discussing Sanders at this point is what is amazing. mikehiggins Jun 2016 #110
Those over 60, or thereabouts (the young!) have been watching these 'games' unfold for decades slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #67
At what point do you acknowledge there currently is no other path? randome Jun 2016 #80
Yes, Hillary has the nomination sewn up, I'll concede that... but only if the FBI elects NOT to indict. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #106
The FBI neither indicts, okasha Jun 2016 #133
You're right, the FBI does not indict people, but I thought it did recommend indictments to DOJ, which makes the decision. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #135
It gathers information and submits it to to the DoJ. okasha Jun 2016 #136
+1. Great post pinebox Jun 2016 #87
^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ to that pdsimdars Jun 2016 #88
You're right... tandem5 Jun 2016 #68
Your premise is wrong, and self serving. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #69
it's hard for me to believe... quickesst Jun 2016 #83
I'd suggest turning up your hearing aid because you apparently haven't really listened yet pdsimdars Jun 2016 #89
Listen to what? quickesst Jun 2016 #94
You got is backwards. . . . what has been posted thousands of times is the pdsimdars Jun 2016 #125
Actually there is a difference quickesst Jun 2016 #137
Most people consider Hillary a better bet against Trump than Bernie. YouDig Jun 2016 #91
I voted for Bernie in my primary thucythucy Jun 2016 #92
You are exactly 100% correct. I don't take them seriously either. It's another manipulation tactic. GoneFishin Jun 2016 #101
Great point Time for change Jun 2016 #116
Seriously? DrDan Jun 2016 #123
I'm not worried about the GE turnout; most of the BS supporters even say they.... dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #129
What degree of hubris does it take annavictorious Jun 2016 #131
Presidential race polls pretty much mean jack shit at this time of year. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #132
Wow SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #134
K & Friggen R nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #143
Bernie lost big time workinclasszero Jun 2016 #146
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