2016 Postmortem

RiverNoord

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92. Thanks for the response.

Wed May 25, 2016, 06:58 PM

May 2016

Your argument, though, unless I got this wrong, is limited to whether 'HRC or Trump' becomes POTUS. It's dependent entirely on information you don't present in the argument in order to determine its merits.

Again, thanks for the response.

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Would cool-headed supporters of Hillary Clinton please attempt to persuade me why... [View all] RiverNoord May 2016 OP

In what state do you live? nt MH1 May 2016 #1

Minnesota. RiverNoord May 2016 #2

You are setting up a false construct. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #5

Who are you comparing to Hitler, Bernie or Trump? We need B Calm May 2016 #13

I think it's quite obvious he means Trump. lunamagica May 2016 #18

The latter, of course... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #21

Trump, is extremely dangerous, more so than most of this country recognizes IMO. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #126

Hopefully he would be constrained by the Constitution. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #128

Is that what you think of those who would consider both Democratic candidates as reasonable? Dem2 May 2016 #25

I am no fan of Bernie. That is clear. I have no artifice. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #132

I don't need more clarification. RiverNoord May 2016 #48

No, you need to work on your reading comprehension anigbrowl May 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish May 2016 #15

Guess he doesn't want. MoonRiver May 2016 #26

That's what I'm asking for - positive aspects of a RiverNoord May 2016 #46

In my analogy Otto Wels wasn't Hitler and that would have been enough. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #53

A good read brush May 2016 #106

Along with a better Supreme Court creeksneakers2 May 2016 #121

Because Trump will be better for you and tens of millions of Americans? hack89 May 2016 #3

OK, but how? RiverNoord May 2016 #138

If you can't see the difference between Hillary and Trump hack89 May 2016 #141

No hatred. None whatsoever. RiverNoord May 2016 #143

Right. Then vote for Trump since there is no difference. hack89 May 2016 #144

Really? That's your advice? RiverNoord May 2016 #146

well themonster May 2016 #4

Thanks. RiverNoord May 2016 #9

Bingo. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #16

I think Trump lancer78 May 2016 #98

If this were 2000... Yavin4 May 2016 #41

The thing that I would consider different RiverNoord May 2016 #51

So, you think that Trump, who is pro killing the families of terrorists and pro torture, Yavin4 May 2016 #55

Of course I don't. RiverNoord May 2016 #66

"I don't know who would be actually better or worse with respect to foreign policy..." Yavin4 May 2016 #83

The phrase was 'military activity.' Maybe I should have said warfare, but we don't.... RiverNoord May 2016 #91

Trump was threatening ISIS the other day creeksneakers2 May 2016 #123

Evil is still evil. 840high May 2016 #47

The lesser of two evils is still less evil. (nt) TacoD May 2016 #72

Still evil. No more for me. 840high May 2016 #77

The lesser of two evils is still less evil. (nt) TacoD May 2016 #72

"I made the decision well before Bernie Sanders declared his candidacy". Your mind is set. tonyt53 May 2016 #6

It's not set. RiverNoord May 2016 #49

If you're looking for a reason to change your decision, okasha May 2016 #162

Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who are not horrifying reactionary neoconservatives. auntpurl May 2016 #7

Was going to make those points, but you did it for me Patiod May 2016 #38

But would here nominee vote to overturn citizens United? TheFarseer May 2016 #57

Is that really your biggest priority? auntpurl May 2016 #61

I'm for basic rights for everyone too TheFarseer May 2016 #64

But Hillary said the same thing! auntpurl May 2016 #70

She didn't answer the question if it would be her litmus test. JRLeft May 2016 #93

I don;t trust her on that. 840high May 2016 #80

I've asked in previous posts... Matt_R May 2016 #165

Three words... BooScout May 2016 #8

OK, that's a fair point. RiverNoord May 2016 #11

But will the difference there be enormous? Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #19

But your argument doesn't make sense auntpurl May 2016 #36

"even if you think Hillary and Trump are the same on those" Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #54

No, I meant even if you think they are the same on economic issues auntpurl May 2016 #59

That is the silver lining of the Electoral College, to be sure. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #62

Since 2000, President Bush started two wars, let people die on 9/11 and New Orleans, and wrecked the Yavin4 May 2016 #43

they are the most important words and will affect us for decades to come MariaThinks May 2016 #35

The establishment ALWAYS uses that one. NorthCarolina May 2016 #111

Yes protecting a woman's right to chose is so ESTABLISHMENT BooScout May 2016 #113

Whatever.. NorthCarolina May 2016 #115

She does support the idea of both..... BooScout May 2016 #118

Oh yeah, NorthCarolina May 2016 #119

Half the battle of achieving your goals... BooScout May 2016 #122

With those set of criteria, you should support Bernie firebrand80 May 2016 #10

I probably consider Trump at least as awful as you do, possibly more. RiverNoord May 2016 #14

Would you take another look at your beliefs about Hillary being bought? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #125

"I'm very liberal/progressive on social matters" realmirage May 2016 #12

OK - that's valid. RiverNoord May 2016 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author realmirage May 2016 #22

It's very simple realmirage May 2016 #24

I don't particularly like Clinton and I'd prefer someone from a newer generation. randome May 2016 #20

Good points. RiverNoord May 2016 #140

"please attempt to persuade me" Tarc May 2016 #23

Exactly still_one May 2016 #29

All I did was ask an honest and plain question. RiverNoord May 2016 #137

Why do you need anyone to convince you? Vote for whoever you want, as I will do still_one May 2016 #27

You really think he wants to be convinced? LisaM May 2016 #30

You nailed it. Kick!!!!!! still_one May 2016 #32

No - I'm an honest person, and I that's the entire point of my post. RiverNoord May 2016 #60

Let me tell you why I don't believe you. LisaM May 2016 #63

OK RiverNoord May 2016 #71

Being pragmatic is what many people like about her personality YET when Somebody takes a lot of Seeinghope May 2016 #160

Good grief. LisaM May 2016 #28

Not demanding anything. RiverNoord May 2016 #136

No. Do your own homework and come to your own decision...nt SidDithers May 2016 #31

+1 BootinUp May 2016 #42

Fair enough. RiverNoord May 2016 #52

Both sides have valid arguments. redstatebluegirl May 2016 #33

No, Bernie folks, don't 'come and get' her... RiverNoord May 2016 #79

I think it is "possible" we get the Senate this year. redstatebluegirl May 2016 #86

You've made a good argument. RiverNoord May 2016 #88

Thanks for being sane in an insane world ;-) redstatebluegirl May 2016 #120

What I gather from the responses: Matt_in_STL May 2016 #34

You are wrong about HRC supporters being over confident redstateblues May 2016 #109

That's not what has been said on this site or even this thread Matt_in_STL May 2016 #110

You're a very liberal Democrat... Orsino May 2016 #37

and Attorney General Chris Christie realmirage May 2016 #69

Point taken. RiverNoord May 2016 #139

As someone wrote earlier ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #39

That's depressing. Armstead May 2016 #82

Well, it sucks for you. auntpurl May 2016 #85

Thanks for the response. RiverNoord May 2016 #92

In our two party system ... either HRC or Trump IS the only, likely, outcome .... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #100

Supreme Court. hrmjustin May 2016 #40

Way more than that. Policy in pretty much every area will be either close to BootinUp May 2016 #44

Good line from "The Untouchables." RiverNoord May 2016 #147

Actually it is from the book of common prayer. hrmjustin May 2016 #148

Oops. RiverNoord May 2016 #149

Not at all. I loved that movie. hrmjustin May 2016 #150

Whew... RiverNoord May 2016 #155

Thanks be to God. okasha May 2016 #163

Glory be to the... hrmjustin May 2016 #164

How about this... Yavin4 May 2016 #45

I used to believe in your 5. point about no one outside the state should be allowed to contribute Fresh_Start May 2016 #50

Why do you believe strangers should want to coddle you? procon May 2016 #56

A substantial chunk of all threads on DU over the past year have been about the Democratic RiverNoord May 2016 #75

What more can be said after you declare that you've already made up you mind? procon May 2016 #81

No thanks. Beausoir May 2016 #58

No. This decision is on you. anigbrowl May 2016 #67

OK. I'm a Bernie supporter but I believe I can give you some positive reasons to support Hillary. rogerashton May 2016 #68

Very good post. auntpurl May 2016 #84

Sorry, "the alternative is far worse" is all that I've got. And it's enough for me, sadly. (nt) TacoD May 2016 #74

K&R Excellent OP, RiverNoord. Everyone should read it. senz May 2016 #76

Thanks for your kind words, senz. Others have indicated a different opinion, and... RiverNoord May 2016 #96

I think we're a lot alike and I think "facts on the ground" imply you should reconsider. CincyDem May 2016 #78

I agree with most of what you say. If you vote in Ohio or Florida, I might argue about the lesser Attorney in Texas May 2016 #87

If I was unpersuaded by election day, RiverNoord May 2016 #94

You've made a thoughtful post, and it's shown a couple of interesting things: Ron Green May 2016 #89

Interesting, but I'm not interested in conflict on this thread. RiverNoord May 2016 #90

If you know someone lancer78 May 2016 #104

I don't give a damn who you vote for Demsrule86 May 2016 #95

Um.. well, that's definitely not a winning argument. RiverNoord May 2016 #99

All I can say Turin_C3PO May 2016 #97

OK, I'll do it. RiverNoord May 2016 #103

LOl! Turin_C3PO May 2016 #105

I definitely caught the references :-) RiverNoord May 2016 #145

No MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #101

There is no 'sideways slamming Clinton' in my question. RiverNoord May 2016 #142

Stay home. We don't care. Next. Gomez163 May 2016 #102

Not exactly a winning argument. RiverNoord May 2016 #107

No. Why do Clinton people have to constantly get insulted? Gomez163 May 2016 #112

I failed to see any insult in the OP or the response to you... Yurovsky May 2016 #133

There are some issues where Hillary and Sanders now stand together, on SS, they Thinkingabout May 2016 #108

We aren't just electing one branch for 4-8 years. We are electing another branch for 30+ years. BzaDem May 2016 #114

Hillary has been a Democrat for longer than you have, and she will be LuvLoogie May 2016 #116

No. You already decided. seabeyond May 2016 #117

2 words nini May 2016 #124

Yes! Turin_C3PO May 2016 #152

I understand your goals about getting money out of politics creeksneakers2 May 2016 #127

Vote for trump if you like... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #129

I will never, ever vote for Donald Trump. There's not even the slightest possiblity. RiverNoord May 2016 #134

I don't mean to make this a Trump is evil argument mythology May 2016 #130

Narcissist, much? kstewart33 May 2016 #131

Well, I doubt I'm a narcissist at all. RiverNoord May 2016 #135

I stand by my post. kstewart33 May 2016 #151

Fair enough. RiverNoord May 2016 #154

I've come to believe Hillary is far more progressive than she may appear forjusticethunders May 2016 #153

So, she's a sheep in wolf's clothing? JEB May 2016 #156

Fantastic post. CajunBlazer May 2016 #161

Imagine replacing Ginsburg with another Alito taught_me_patience May 2016 #157

The last true "political revolution" in the US ended in 1865. fleabiscuit May 2016 #158

No Generic Brad May 2016 #159

I think there are two ways to respond... LAS14 May 2016 #166