2016 Postmortem

LisaM

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28. Good grief.

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Wed May 25, 2016, 01:06 PM

May 2016

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Would cool-headed supporters of Hillary Clinton please attempt to persuade me why... [View all] RiverNoord May 2016 OP

In what state do you live? nt MH1 May 2016 #1

Minnesota. RiverNoord May 2016 #2

You are setting up a false construct. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #5

Who are you comparing to Hitler, Bernie or Trump? We need B Calm May 2016 #13

I think it's quite obvious he means Trump. lunamagica May 2016 #18

The latter, of course... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #21

Trump, is extremely dangerous, more so than most of this country recognizes IMO. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #126

Hopefully he would be constrained by the Constitution. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #128

Is that what you think of those who would consider both Democratic candidates as reasonable? Dem2 May 2016 #25

I am no fan of Bernie. That is clear. I have no artifice. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #132

I don't need more clarification. RiverNoord May 2016 #48

No, you need to work on your reading comprehension anigbrowl May 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish May 2016 #15

Guess he doesn't want. MoonRiver May 2016 #26

That's what I'm asking for - positive aspects of a RiverNoord May 2016 #46

In my analogy Otto Wels wasn't Hitler and that would have been enough. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #53

A good read brush May 2016 #106

Along with a better Supreme Court creeksneakers2 May 2016 #121

Because Trump will be better for you and tens of millions of Americans? hack89 May 2016 #3

OK, but how? RiverNoord May 2016 #138

If you can't see the difference between Hillary and Trump hack89 May 2016 #141

No hatred. None whatsoever. RiverNoord May 2016 #143

Right. Then vote for Trump since there is no difference. hack89 May 2016 #144

Really? That's your advice? RiverNoord May 2016 #146

well themonster May 2016 #4

Thanks. RiverNoord May 2016 #9

Bingo. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #16

I think Trump lancer78 May 2016 #98

If this were 2000... Yavin4 May 2016 #41

The thing that I would consider different RiverNoord May 2016 #51

So, you think that Trump, who is pro killing the families of terrorists and pro torture, Yavin4 May 2016 #55

Of course I don't. RiverNoord May 2016 #66

"I don't know who would be actually better or worse with respect to foreign policy..." Yavin4 May 2016 #83

The phrase was 'military activity.' Maybe I should have said warfare, but we don't.... RiverNoord May 2016 #91

Trump was threatening ISIS the other day creeksneakers2 May 2016 #123

Evil is still evil. 840high May 2016 #47

The lesser of two evils is still less evil. (nt) TacoD May 2016 #72

Still evil. No more for me. 840high May 2016 #77

The lesser of two evils is still less evil. (nt) TacoD May 2016 #72

"I made the decision well before Bernie Sanders declared his candidacy". Your mind is set. tonyt53 May 2016 #6

It's not set. RiverNoord May 2016 #49

If you're looking for a reason to change your decision, okasha May 2016 #162

Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who are not horrifying reactionary neoconservatives. auntpurl May 2016 #7

Was going to make those points, but you did it for me Patiod May 2016 #38

But would here nominee vote to overturn citizens United? TheFarseer May 2016 #57

Is that really your biggest priority? auntpurl May 2016 #61

I'm for basic rights for everyone too TheFarseer May 2016 #64

But Hillary said the same thing! auntpurl May 2016 #70

She didn't answer the question if it would be her litmus test. JRLeft May 2016 #93

I don;t trust her on that. 840high May 2016 #80

I've asked in previous posts... Matt_R May 2016 #165

Three words... BooScout May 2016 #8

OK, that's a fair point. RiverNoord May 2016 #11

But will the difference there be enormous? Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #19

But your argument doesn't make sense auntpurl May 2016 #36

"even if you think Hillary and Trump are the same on those" Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #54

No, I meant even if you think they are the same on economic issues auntpurl May 2016 #59

That is the silver lining of the Electoral College, to be sure. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #62

Since 2000, President Bush started two wars, let people die on 9/11 and New Orleans, and wrecked the Yavin4 May 2016 #43

they are the most important words and will affect us for decades to come MariaThinks May 2016 #35

The establishment ALWAYS uses that one. NorthCarolina May 2016 #111

Yes protecting a woman's right to chose is so ESTABLISHMENT BooScout May 2016 #113

Whatever.. NorthCarolina May 2016 #115

She does support the idea of both..... BooScout May 2016 #118

Oh yeah, NorthCarolina May 2016 #119

Half the battle of achieving your goals... BooScout May 2016 #122

With those set of criteria, you should support Bernie firebrand80 May 2016 #10

I probably consider Trump at least as awful as you do, possibly more. RiverNoord May 2016 #14

Would you take another look at your beliefs about Hillary being bought? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #125

"I'm very liberal/progressive on social matters" realmirage May 2016 #12

OK - that's valid. RiverNoord May 2016 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author realmirage May 2016 #22

It's very simple realmirage May 2016 #24

I don't particularly like Clinton and I'd prefer someone from a newer generation. randome May 2016 #20

Good points. RiverNoord May 2016 #140

"please attempt to persuade me" Tarc May 2016 #23

Exactly still_one May 2016 #29

All I did was ask an honest and plain question. RiverNoord May 2016 #137

Why do you need anyone to convince you? Vote for whoever you want, as I will do still_one May 2016 #27

You really think he wants to be convinced? LisaM May 2016 #30

You nailed it. Kick!!!!!! still_one May 2016 #32

No - I'm an honest person, and I that's the entire point of my post. RiverNoord May 2016 #60

Let me tell you why I don't believe you. LisaM May 2016 #63

OK RiverNoord May 2016 #71

Being pragmatic is what many people like about her personality YET when Somebody takes a lot of Seeinghope May 2016 #160

Good grief. LisaM May 2016 #28

Not demanding anything. RiverNoord May 2016 #136

No. Do your own homework and come to your own decision...nt SidDithers May 2016 #31

+1 BootinUp May 2016 #42

Fair enough. RiverNoord May 2016 #52

Both sides have valid arguments. redstatebluegirl May 2016 #33

No, Bernie folks, don't 'come and get' her... RiverNoord May 2016 #79

I think it is "possible" we get the Senate this year. redstatebluegirl May 2016 #86

You've made a good argument. RiverNoord May 2016 #88

Thanks for being sane in an insane world ;-) redstatebluegirl May 2016 #120

What I gather from the responses: Matt_in_STL May 2016 #34

You are wrong about HRC supporters being over confident redstateblues May 2016 #109

That's not what has been said on this site or even this thread Matt_in_STL May 2016 #110

You're a very liberal Democrat... Orsino May 2016 #37

and Attorney General Chris Christie realmirage May 2016 #69

Point taken. RiverNoord May 2016 #139

As someone wrote earlier ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #39

That's depressing. Armstead May 2016 #82

Well, it sucks for you. auntpurl May 2016 #85

Thanks for the response. RiverNoord May 2016 #92

In our two party system ... either HRC or Trump IS the only, likely, outcome .... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #100

Supreme Court. hrmjustin May 2016 #40

Way more than that. Policy in pretty much every area will be either close to BootinUp May 2016 #44

Good line from "The Untouchables." RiverNoord May 2016 #147

Actually it is from the book of common prayer. hrmjustin May 2016 #148

Oops. RiverNoord May 2016 #149

Not at all. I loved that movie. hrmjustin May 2016 #150

Whew... RiverNoord May 2016 #155

Thanks be to God. okasha May 2016 #163

Glory be to the... hrmjustin May 2016 #164

How about this... Yavin4 May 2016 #45

I used to believe in your 5. point about no one outside the state should be allowed to contribute Fresh_Start May 2016 #50

Why do you believe strangers should want to coddle you? procon May 2016 #56

A substantial chunk of all threads on DU over the past year have been about the Democratic RiverNoord May 2016 #75

What more can be said after you declare that you've already made up you mind? procon May 2016 #81

No thanks. Beausoir May 2016 #58

No. This decision is on you. anigbrowl May 2016 #67

OK. I'm a Bernie supporter but I believe I can give you some positive reasons to support Hillary. rogerashton May 2016 #68

Very good post. auntpurl May 2016 #84

Sorry, "the alternative is far worse" is all that I've got. And it's enough for me, sadly. (nt) TacoD May 2016 #74

K&R Excellent OP, RiverNoord. Everyone should read it. senz May 2016 #76

Thanks for your kind words, senz. Others have indicated a different opinion, and... RiverNoord May 2016 #96

I think we're a lot alike and I think "facts on the ground" imply you should reconsider. CincyDem May 2016 #78

I agree with most of what you say. If you vote in Ohio or Florida, I might argue about the lesser Attorney in Texas May 2016 #87

If I was unpersuaded by election day, RiverNoord May 2016 #94

You've made a thoughtful post, and it's shown a couple of interesting things: Ron Green May 2016 #89

Interesting, but I'm not interested in conflict on this thread. RiverNoord May 2016 #90

If you know someone lancer78 May 2016 #104

I don't give a damn who you vote for Demsrule86 May 2016 #95

Um.. well, that's definitely not a winning argument. RiverNoord May 2016 #99

All I can say Turin_C3PO May 2016 #97

OK, I'll do it. RiverNoord May 2016 #103

LOl! Turin_C3PO May 2016 #105

I definitely caught the references :-) RiverNoord May 2016 #145

No MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #101

There is no 'sideways slamming Clinton' in my question. RiverNoord May 2016 #142

Stay home. We don't care. Next. Gomez163 May 2016 #102

Not exactly a winning argument. RiverNoord May 2016 #107

No. Why do Clinton people have to constantly get insulted? Gomez163 May 2016 #112

I failed to see any insult in the OP or the response to you... Yurovsky May 2016 #133

There are some issues where Hillary and Sanders now stand together, on SS, they Thinkingabout May 2016 #108

We aren't just electing one branch for 4-8 years. We are electing another branch for 30+ years. BzaDem May 2016 #114

Hillary has been a Democrat for longer than you have, and she will be LuvLoogie May 2016 #116

No. You already decided. seabeyond May 2016 #117

2 words nini May 2016 #124

Yes! Turin_C3PO May 2016 #152

I understand your goals about getting money out of politics creeksneakers2 May 2016 #127

Vote for trump if you like... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #129

I will never, ever vote for Donald Trump. There's not even the slightest possiblity. RiverNoord May 2016 #134

I don't mean to make this a Trump is evil argument mythology May 2016 #130

Narcissist, much? kstewart33 May 2016 #131

Well, I doubt I'm a narcissist at all. RiverNoord May 2016 #135

I stand by my post. kstewart33 May 2016 #151

Fair enough. RiverNoord May 2016 #154

I've come to believe Hillary is far more progressive than she may appear forjusticethunders May 2016 #153

So, she's a sheep in wolf's clothing? JEB May 2016 #156

Fantastic post. CajunBlazer May 2016 #161

Imagine replacing Ginsburg with another Alito taught_me_patience May 2016 #157

The last true "political revolution" in the US ended in 1865. fleabiscuit May 2016 #158

No Generic Brad May 2016 #159

I think there are two ways to respond... LAS14 May 2016 #166