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2016 Postmortem

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snot

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Sat May 21, 2016, 01:04 PM May 2016

From a Bernie supporter to everyone who isn't one: [View all]

Last edited Sun May 22, 2016, 02:47 AM - Edit history (8)

Warning, this is more of a rant than I've ever done before. That said . . .

I hope that at least some Hillary supporters will recognize that I've supported the Clintons in the past, and really have no vendetta against or irrevocable allegiance to anyone; but am just trying to figure out what would be helpful to most of us, and how to further that.

That said . . . if you actually care about trying to persuade Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary, fwiw . . .

. . . in response to any DU’er’s actually inclined to believe things like, "Of course there will always be a permanent underclass of minimally compensated workers. But those workers are free to leave at any time for higher paying jobs "
{you seriously believe that????}
. . . I'm going to go ahead and get more personal than usual.

I and my significant other average ca. 60 yrs. old.

We’ve both worked hard and paid taxes since age 16. We’re smart and well-educated – I have an advanced degree; my significant other has an undergrad degree – our degrees being from good schools – plus we both self-educated in tech-related skills before those were taught in schools.

We avoided all debt, other than the mortgage on our home, which we’ve paid off; and bought our home in an area likely to appreciate. We’ve lived modestly, and we didn’t have kids, so we didn’t have the expense of kids.

We and nearly everyone we know have been independent contractors for most of our lives, usually not by choice.

And we and nearly everyone we know saw a dramatic drop in our incomes ca. 2009 - 2010. We’ve done better than many of our friends, but we've had little or no earned income since 2011, and have had to prematurely draw down our retirement savings.

And we and nearly everyone we know have not been eligible for any kind of unemployment benefits or other assistance, other than the Obamacare subsidies (thankful for those. But if you still work at a company that provides health insurance, please know that what's available to you {because you're working for the Man} is probably far better than what's available on the Obamacare Marketplace at any price).

And we and nearly everyone we know have been scrambling for years to get any kind of paid work we could find.

And we live in an area that is supposedly doing well compared to other regions.

Meanwhile, most of the costs that are hardest to forego – food, healthcare, et al. – have climbed steeply.

We were flooded ca. 2006, though we’re not in a flood zone, because the City had neglected the flood control system; and the storm that triggered it was presumably made more severe by global warming. Since we weren’t in a flood zone, we had no flood insurance. We lost a lot during that episode.

We were nonetheless more or less on track to be able to retire at the usual age without having to reduce our standard of living; then, a full quarter of our life’s savings was vaporized in the 2008 crash.

We’re back on my college budget (beans and rice, washing plastic bread bags so we don’t have to buy bags, etc.). Because we did manage to save what we did, I think we’ll be ok, unless the economy crashes again – which it seems very likely to do.

What kills me even more, is seeing other friends I love, who also did most things right, but had a kid or two, so their expenses were much higher; and now they are in total f*cking financial crisis. 50 - 60 -yr.-olds, who worked hard and lived prudently all their lives, and are now on involuntary weight-loss programs.

There are reasons the suicide rate is up.

And, meanwhile, I’m hearing/reading/personally experiencing EVERY DAY new hosts of BASIC things our government USED to provide without any particular strain – well-designed and -maintained roads & bridges, safe drinking water, healthcare for vets, disease control, public education, critical social work such as child protective services, national park maintenance, and on and on and on and on – a daily litany of things that have been underfunded for DECADES, and they’re now all reaching the breaking point . . .

PLUS, global warming, because we’ve allowed the 1% to externalize costs for decades, etc. . . . .

And everyone’s like, w.t.f.? And Congress is all like, the only thing we have to fear is taxes on the 1%, or anything else the 1% doesn’t like. And abortion, and gayness (aimed at the sexually distractible).

Among the political class, nearly NO ONE BUT BERNIE (and Liz Warren {omitting Dennis Kucinich, John Conyers, and other worthies, but they’re not very visible lately) seem to understand the obvious cause:

That we have under-regulated and under-taxed most of the 1% for AT LEAST THREE DECADES.

After the 1929 crash, SERIOUS financial reforms were instituted, which successfully prevented crashes for decades, in one of the longest periods of economic growth and stability seen in human history – until those reforms were dismantled under Bill Clinton and his successors.

After the 1929 crash, SERIOUS economic stimulus was implemented, which employed millions to rebuild infrastructure, which employees spent a considerable portion of what they earned, thus effectively restarting the economy; and the results of their work enhanced all our prosperity and quality of life for decades, in the form of essential infrastructure, great public parks, inspiring public art works, and other stuff that makes actual human progress possible . . . .

But under Obama, most of the stimulus went to the 1%, and surprise! It’s never trickled down. The theory was, the banks will have more money to lend. But few can afford to borrow – or, to the extent they do, their ability to repay is shaky.

We’ve given the bank to the banksters, and instead of spending the money in ways that might create jobs or otherwise help anyone, they’re “investing” in more of the same kinds of unproductive speculation – credit derivatives – that caused the 2008 crash – knowing that when it all comes tumbling down again – and it will come tumbling down again – they’ll walk away unscathed and with big bonuses to boot, just like after 2008.

Meanwhile, during this three decades of under-regulation and under-taxation of the 1%, guess what? The 1% have amassed huge wealth and power – and just about everything for the rest of us has gotten worse and worse. This, despite the fact that, during that same time period, our actual productivity literally DOUBLED!

Greater productivity should mean that we can all make enough to enjoy the same standard of living we had in the 70’s, while working less hours. But instead, all that under-regulation and under-taxation enabled the 1% to scrape off and capture ALL the benefits of our doubled productivity.

So, yeah . . . now the 1% are intensely rich, rich beyond what most of us can comprehend, and seriously, the math has been done and if they could be divested of any substantial part of that wealth, a great many of the world's problems really could be solved . . .

. . . and of course the 1% have used part of their wealth to buy most of the media and our government (what’s the point of achieving world domination, if you don’t have the means to keep it?) . . . along with many of our essential services (if you like monopolies, you’ll LOVE owning services people literally can’t live without); as well as private security services, ranches in Paraguay, etc., to remain safe while the whole, eviscerated system implodes . . . .

And since the 1% own the media, we’re hearing Trump 24/7 while Bernie has to pay dearly for every nanosecond of coverage. The 1% may not have been wild about Trump, but they’re terrified of Bernie.

So yeah, that’s a rough take on how I see all that.

Now, I was never a big fan of Bill Clinton, but I considered the impeachment proceedings a ridiculous and outrageous witch hunt/fishing expedition/wasteful distraction. And that episode actually started me following politics more closely and being more active politically; and for a while, I liked Bill better and felt a lot of sympathy for both the Clintons.

But I happened to write a paper on the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and as time went by I became aware of more and more aspects of Clintonian economic policy that didn’t make sense to me.

And by now . . . I’m not sure whether the Clintons don't understand or just don't care about my little struggles, but their actions through the years have made it clear that I should not trust them to look out for me or my friends; and I don’t. It’s not a matter of their intentions, at this point; they may think they have good intentions and that they know what's best for the rest of us; but I disagree. I.m.h.o., either they don’t understand (or care) how hard it is out here, and/or notwithstanding Bill’s slogan, they don’t get the economy – and ditto Pres. Obama.

I’m no economist, but the views of people like Joseph Stiglitz, Robert Reich, Yves Smith, Sheila Bair, and William Black seem to me to make more sense, and to have been proven right more often, than those peddled by Goldman alums and their ilk. Yet the Clintons and Obama seem totally hooked on Wall Street’s economic kool-aid.

So the 1% are quite comfortable with Hillary, thank you; and they’re working on getting comfortable with Trump, in case Hillary can’t beat him, after all. Like I said, the only one they really, really, don’t want is Bernie.

And sorry to say, I’m really not sure Hillary would be any better than Trump. The results of Hillary and Bill’s actual deeds have been, for me, not good. As for Hillary's words, she and Trump both seem prepared to say whatever it takes to get elected; beyond that, Trump at least seems capable of independent thought. No, I don’t want Trump; but I really don’t want Hillary, either.

Peace out.

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Cliffs? nt firebrand80 May 2016 #1
... opiate69 May 2016 #48
+1 dchill May 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #87
What the hell is that poster talking about, please? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #142
And I completely support you in your effort. But what did firebrand80 mean by "Cliffs?"? ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #145
I think it was a "tl;dr" comment Warren DeMontague May 2016 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #155
No, not hideable, I don't think. It's just internet-speak for "too long, didn't read" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #158
What the fuck does this mean? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #139
I vigorously disagree with this assertion. Zynx May 2016 #2
So why does income inequaiity keep accelerating? nt mhatrw May 2016 #6
It's doing it in spite of Obama's policies, not because of them. Zynx May 2016 #7
Increase in taxes not enough. So much so long taken, takes more to get it back. snowy owl May 2016 #49
You make a great argument... ljm2002 May 2016 #12
^^This^^ passiveporcupine May 2016 #45
Nope, we wouldnt get that under Bernie because the GOP House wouldn't take up any of his bills. stevenleser May 2016 #58
It must suck to define your democratic politics by what Republicans will "allow" Scootaloo May 2016 #73
The only Hillary bills the GOP House will take up will be for the 1% TransitJohn May 2016 #129
The FED's providing of easy credit to the big banks was also a part of the stimulus. jonestonesusa May 2016 #83
that quote at the beginning reminds me so much of Yglesias: "if they didn't want to MisterP May 2016 #3
or just, "let them eat cake." snot May 2016 #98
Kick. Rec. nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #4
K&R Many people are in your same boat felix_numinous May 2016 #5
ditto litlbilly May 2016 #9
thank you! snot May 2016 #99
Everybody's voice felix_numinous May 2016 #141
First hugs nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #8
That's pretty scary. dchill May 2016 #62
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #113
thank you, dear. snot May 2016 #100
This explains it all Urchin May 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #15
Glad you liked it--everyone should see that video. Urchin May 2016 #16
thanks for posting this passiveporcupine May 2016 #46
You had me until "until those reforms were dismantled under Clinton and his successors. " Dem2 May 2016 #11
Deregulation?! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #19
Bernie's judgment has been spot on every single time. senz May 2016 #35
You and millions of others. Unfortunately, HRC has the DNC and lots of $$$$ and connections vintx May 2016 #37
This is the time to fight on in any way we can. senz May 2016 #40
Thanks. too many people uninformed. Think one article tells all. Big problem. snowy owl May 2016 #53
Commodities Futures Modernization Act -- look it up nashville_brook May 2016 #22
Look up of CFMA - Good point. PufPuf23 May 2016 #55
If Glass-Steagall had been "whittled down" to meaningless, the correct response was PufPuf23 May 2016 #41
That is correct Dem2 May 2016 #43
He should have been enforcing what he had and tried for more. Same with anti-trust. snowy owl May 2016 #54
Clinton's claim that it had "nothing" to do with the collapse is just wrong passiveporcupine May 2016 #47
Not about chipping away but about enforcement. As long as on books, enforcement matters. snowy owl May 2016 #52
It's both. snot May 2016 #101
From the same article: "Clinton’s hands aren’t clean of the financial crisis" andym May 2016 #91
Righteous rant! riderinthestorm May 2016 #13
thank you! snot May 2016 #102
I'm so sorry for all your troubles. grossproffit May 2016 #14
Are you "sorry" for similar "troubles" of millions of Americans? senz May 2016 #21
Sh*t that ain't half of it. snot May 2016 #103
Thank You for this thoughtful, well written post. KoKo May 2016 #17
thank you, dear! snot May 2016 #104
Someone here on Du said that? SwampG8r May 2016 #18
i've been thinking about this a lot lately... nashville_brook May 2016 #25
You sound like someone fooled by a book "Megatrends" (Naisbett) pubished in 70s. I was not. snowy owl May 2016 #61
i was so young, and yes! i didn't have the life experience to distill that nashville_brook May 2016 #135
That's life. :) snowy owl May 2016 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #88
here's a fantastic article i just read this morning on this! -- Matt Bruenig nashville_brook May 2016 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #138
Plus, it isn't just whites left to bootstraps without boots or straps. TheKentuckian May 2016 #147
economics unites us, and identity gets used to silo us. nashville_brook May 2016 #148
yours is one of the loveliest posts I've seen in a long time. snot May 2016 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author Live and Learn May 2016 #110
There is a lot of far right thought at du these days. "Free stuff, paying for trumps kids college, Doctor_J May 2016 #31
Im astounded ... When i signed up in 2007 SwampG8r May 2016 #32
Interesting story; thanks! snot May 2016 #107
YES. snot May 2016 #106
Not done reading but want to K&R now. senz May 2016 #20
thank you so much but snot May 2016 #108
K&R Love This! Bookmarked DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #23
thank you!!! snot May 2016 #109
good "rant," although I think it deserves more of nashville_brook May 2016 #24
thank you!!! snot May 2016 #111
This is a story played over and over in many households. Thinkingabout May 2016 #26
Obama left $350M on table meant to go to homeowners. Transition-he didn't want to make decision. snowy owl May 2016 #64
Since the regulations was not present what would you charge them? Thinkingabout May 2016 #68
your post makes no sense. All he had to do was give the okay. snowy owl May 2016 #96
The okay for what, there has to be a reason to arrest people, what is the reason to arrest them? Thinkingabout May 2016 #97
Investigate first, then charge fraud at the highest levels the evidence supports. snot May 2016 #114
There has to be at the time of the occurrences a regulation, law against Thinkingabout May 2016 #127
There are laws against fraud in general, and there is not one doubt in my mind that fraud occurred snot May 2016 #159
If the regulations was not in place at the time of the occurrence then the person can not Thinkingabout May 2016 #160
Fraud was illegal before Dodd-Frank. snot May 2016 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author snot May 2016 #161
Why should banks lend into the real economy and create good jobs Califonz May 2016 #27
This is a great rant and I'm a Hillary supporter underthematrix May 2016 #28
Disagree. Enforcing Anti-Trust more important. And high taxes again on mega-rich. snowy owl May 2016 #66
Yes it is important but creating a change environment means underthematrix May 2016 #75
Those are examples of ways to address kitchen table concerns. What else? Wave a wand? snowy owl May 2016 #77
You're angry and I want you to enjoy yourself. So have at it. underthematrix May 2016 #80
Reactive aren't you? I'm not angry. Kitchen table sounds simple but it isn't. snowy owl May 2016 #93
Actually it takes emotional intelligence underthematrix May 2016 #124
Yes. snot May 2016 #116
I'd like to say, snot May 2016 #115
Thank you. elleng May 2016 #29
thank you, too. snot May 2016 #117
And we mock the Republicans for voting against their self-interest. Thanks, snot. I can relate. nt antigop May 2016 #30
thanks! snot May 2016 #118
Too long. barrow-wight May 2016 #33
Would you prefer the Reader's Digest version? snowy owl May 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #89
bulleted list would be nice. barrow-wight May 2016 #121
Excellent, excellent, excellent. senz May 2016 #34
THANK YOU! snot May 2016 #119
Thank You. bvar22 May 2016 #36
No it is not by accident, and LIP SERVICE is NOT ENOUGH. nt vintx May 2016 #39
You've got some great stuff there passiveporcupine May 2016 #50
GOOD CATCH! I noticed it too People are so uninformed. Wall Street corrupt. snowy owl May 2016 #69
We have a corrupt plutonomy and the Clintons are a party to it... Agony May 2016 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #90
THANK YOU! And, exactly. snot May 2016 #120
Kicked and recommended! nt Enthusiast May 2016 #38
I hear you Snot and find myself in similar situation age 63. Testify. eom rec PufPuf23 May 2016 #42
I could have written your OP, except we had children and I was unemployable after 08 Autumn May 2016 #44
Voices of experience. Let us not forget the damage that has been done by Clintonian triangulation. highprincipleswork May 2016 #51
Gladly recommended. One of the very best posts I have read on DU. guillaumeb May 2016 #56
Thank you - 840high May 2016 #57
Great post. CharlotteVale May 2016 #60
K&R dchill May 2016 #63
I sympathize with your situation and disagree with your last eight paragraphs stevenleser May 2016 #65
That is incorrect. The electorate wants outsiders; they are ready to vote for them. Not so, 2008. snowy owl May 2016 #71
No they don't. Bernie is losing and the GOP field was weak and didn't go after Trump early enough. stevenleser May 2016 #74
Bernie entered late without name recognition. 2008 very different. snowy owl May 2016 #76
All that doesnt change the fact that in a year where there is a movement for change, it prevails. stevenleser May 2016 #79
Have your opinion but you're wrong. Looking at it through Clinton eyes. Loyalty. snowy owl May 2016 #95
I answered but you chose to ignore. snowy owl May 2016 #94
Here's where I disagree: snot May 2016 #122
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #67
Exactly as I've experienced as well. Saving post and passing it around. snowy owl May 2016 #72
You have eloquently captured how so many of us feel. emsimon33 May 2016 #78
Bernie gave voice to the problems that many face The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #81
Thank you. Xyzse May 2016 #82
thanks Attorney in Texas May 2016 #85
big K and R! bbgrunt May 2016 #86
That is one of the best OPs I have ever read here. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #92
K&R Thanks for an excellent post. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #112
Um, snot May 2016 #123
Excellent rant. nt DLevine May 2016 #125
Your post might be more important Demsrule86 May 2016 #126
This might be one of the shittiest posts I've seen at DU in awhile EvolveOrConvolve May 2016 #130
The sddest part of it Bettie May 2016 #137
It is a truthful post Demsrule86 May 2016 #146
You should rant more often!!! Dustlawyer May 2016 #128
That's about the size of it. SusanCalvin May 2016 #131
Recommended. Nothing but the truth. mmonk May 2016 #132
A well-crafted picture of the reality for many people. tom-servo May 2016 #133
Well written and nicely supported arguments jimlup May 2016 #134
Brilliant! mac56 May 2016 #144
A while back if Sanders were a woman, was as qualified as Hillary, and I thought he could win, i kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #150
He never had a chance with you. tazkcmo May 2016 #152
Thanks For Supporting BERNIE... Thanks For THIS POST! n/t ChiciB1 May 2016 #151
Absolutely awesome "rant"/post. We stand with you on 7wo7rees May 2016 #154
K&R for one of the most relevant posts on this site. senz May 2016 #156
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