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BainsBane

(53,165 posts)
87. Are you seriously claiming no Sanders supporters are on the state central committee?
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 09:44 PM - Edit history (1)

And that the chair who is a Sanders supporter refused to allow nearly half of those delegates at the state convention to run for those positions? Based on what? Or are you pissed off registered Republicans aren't able to run Nevada's Democratic Party?

Politifact ruled this entire nonsense being perpetuated about the Nevada state Democratic convention to be without evidentiary basis. The results of the state convention in terms of delegate allocation mirrored the outcome on caucus night. http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/?platform=hootsuite

But if you want to know what the real problem is, it's the caucus system, which limits voter participation rates to the lowest of any other system, averaging 3.7 percent this year. That Bernie continues to complain about closed primaries while saying nothing about the far more restrictive caucus system shows that he and those who repeat his arguments care only about Bernie's political prospects and not about expanding access to the franchise.

I live in a state that has caucuses, but at least delegate allocation (in terms of presidential candidates) is fixed on caucus night, so we don't have any uncertainty as to how many delegates will move on to the national convention for each candidate. The only question is about who gets to be a delegate: Bernie supporters vote on Bernie delegates; Clinton supporters vote on Clinton delegates. Everyone votes on committee assignments.

The the absurdity of this sort of outrage over 4 delegates when he trails by hundreds shows the extent to which rationality has long been abandoned.

Then the fact that this is all within a context in which Bernie's argument for the nomination is that superdelegates should nullify the results of elections already cast in order to install him as the nominee in violation of the will of the electoral majority shows the extend to which he is willing to overturn the people's right to elect their nominee via the ballot box in order to advance himself.
The voice mails left to the NV Dem Chair lends particular insight into the nature of the self-entitlement underlying the hatred for the Democratic party, Clinton, and the majority of voters who have voted for her to be the nominee. They continue to protest because ultimately what the resent is electoral democracy itself. In insisting any election in which Bernie doesn't win is fraudulent, they show complete contempt for the rights of anyone but themselves to participate in voting for elected leaders.

I think it's obvious most Bernie supporters assumed she was in the tank for Hillary. LonePirate May 2016 #1
She's not a Bernie endorser nor does she support him. More lies. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #18
Do you have a source that contradicts the Newsweek report in the OP? LonePirate May 2016 #25
I don't need one. Her actions on Saturday are proof positive. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #29
Ah, so you're fact free here and relying on your gut? Thank you for conceding that point. LonePirate May 2016 #33
Facts are there for all to see. You know damn good and well ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #74
She became one... MrWendel May 2016 #101
Oh geez puffy socks May 2016 #52
LOL. fact free Sanders fan. riversedge May 2016 #53
When a person says she is one thing, and her behavior shows that she is the opposite, which Cal33 May 2016 #72
This is uncalled for Dem2 May 2016 #77
I guess solipsism can be considered lovemydog May 2016 #97
She's not listed on Bernie's site or the more neutral wiki page. aikoaiko May 2016 #36
Thanks for sharing those links. LonePirate May 2016 #41
I know it's not entirely reliable...but she's not on the list... TCJ70 May 2016 #2
She said last night Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #3
Of course she did. peace13 May 2016 #5
yeah, on the face sounds like perfect bullshit. NT JCanete May 2016 #9
I don't believe her for a second. merrily May 2016 #10
I'm sure you don't Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #12
I don't believe things that are contrary to common sense. I feel no obligation to answer insulting merrily May 2016 #13
The podium bird... its more credible to them uponit7771 May 2016 #50
Lol Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #57
SQUAWK! frylock May 2016 #64
She was trying to be fair because of the facts. Sanders people did not listen to reason, just made seabeyond May 2016 #68
Bullshit ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #19
She opens her mouth and words fall out. enlightenment May 2016 #39
Those pigs are really flapping those wings! kiva May 2016 #40
Please make this an OP. frylock May 2016 #65
I second that motion me b zola May 2016 #96
She has been listed as Uncommitted as late as April and Sanders has no endorsement from her JimDandy May 2016 #105
She is a professional liar. She "endorses" the candidate she sabotages. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #4
Or maybe, she upholds the rules regardless of who she supports? Tarc May 2016 #11
Surely there is a public record of what delegates each candidate sent to the convention. LonePirate May 2016 #14
Videos of delegates making motions to count the delegates and having those motions ignored. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #21
As it was, they ran 4 hours over their time and were kicked out by the hotel for running pnwmom May 2016 #24
She gave herself dictatorial powers, ignored delegates at the convention and refused to hard count w4rma May 2016 #26
The credentials committee, which was made up 50/50 of Bernie and Hillary supporters, pnwmom May 2016 #30
Don't lie. To do this crap is why they removed Christine Kramar from the committee. w4rma May 2016 #85
You are falsely accusing me of lying. She was replaced by another Sanders person. pnwmom May 2016 #86
Fine. You're repeating lies. Here is the story of the e-mails. w4rma May 2016 #88
Your story of the county level caucuses has nothing to do with what happened at the state caucuses, pnwmom May 2016 #94
And, boom, you change the subject. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #95
He's lost Wonkette, the Rude Pundit and a superdelegate in the last 36 hours Number23 May 2016 #93
That's not what I was seeking. LonePirate May 2016 #28
There is, the NVDems had a count at the door. apnu May 2016 #60
Yes, but was Lange attending as a delegate for one of the candidates? LonePirate May 2016 #61
If only she had actually upheld the convention's rules rather than violating them. Scootaloo May 2016 #54
She did uphold the rules Tarc May 2016 #59
k&r bigtree May 2016 #6
Maybe she's like about a dozen posters here who lied about being Bernie supporters. merrily May 2016 #7
Well, considering she has no problem not telling the truth I don't find that endorsement believable. Skwmom May 2016 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #15
and fully half the credentials committee were Sanders supporters nt BainsBane May 2016 #16
Then why did Lange rule that the Bernie delegates couldn't run for State Central Committee. All in it together May 2016 #81
Are you seriously claiming no Sanders supporters are on the state central committee? BainsBane May 2016 #87
I listened to Sen. Nina Turner and Nevada Superdelegate Erin Bilbray who were at All in it together May 2016 #98
How could anyone run for State Central Committee LiberalFighter May 2016 #89
There were supposed to be positions voted on at the convention, there are other committees. All in it together May 2016 #99
As I stated Nevada rules state that election of SCC officers are elected in odd years. LiberalFighter May 2016 #106
They're completely unhinged alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #17
Uh oh. The whole conspiracy theory is falling apart. Guess they need a new one now. YouDig May 2016 #20
That certainly changes quite a bit KingFlorez May 2016 #22
Lots of people are 'on record' as being say, heterosexual because the truth does not serve Bluenorthwest May 2016 #23
. ucrdem May 2016 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #34
You're seriously trying to make this about GAY PEOPLE? I can't believe you wrote that!!! MADem May 2016 #37
I cited an example of things people say that are bullshit that serves their agenda. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #49
No--you just rolled it out and stepped on it. MADem May 2016 #58
Aleutian Underwater Basket Weaver! mcar May 2016 #73
You are a gem. Number23 May 2016 #91
You are too! MADem May 2016 #92
Well that's really a nice conspiracy. So she was planning this ahead of time, and decided YouDig May 2016 #38
Where is thie proof of this alleged endorsement? I see no evidence of it offered, just Bluenorthwest May 2016 #51
I feel confident that Jon Ralston will back her up. RufusTFirefly May 2016 #78
Ummm, what? mcar May 2016 #71
Seriously? pmorlan1 May 2016 #31
Who was the man whispering instructions in her ear? grasswire May 2016 #32
Parliamentarian LiberalFighter May 2016 #90
No she isn't. Jeesh. This easy to check. Luminous Animal May 2016 #35
She was neutral at the beginning, but she ended up in the Bernie camp. nt pnwmom May 2016 #44
Yeah right. That is why her twitter feed only mentions O'Malley and Clinton. Luminous Animal May 2016 #46
Citation? Scootaloo May 2016 #55
When? /nt tonedevil May 2016 #79
The new talking points e-mail has been released! Fuddnik May 2016 #42
3rd times a charm. riversedge May 2016 #56
If Lange were actually a Bernie supporter... Triloon May 2016 #43
Since when does the loser get to dictate to the winner? nt pnwmom May 2016 #45
The "winner" hasnt won anything at all until Triloon May 2016 #62
If that is the ideal, then why does Bernie insist that "triangulation" is evil? Compromise pnwmom May 2016 #67
The definition of triangulation is not compromise. Luminous Animal May 2016 #69
When the winner wants the loser's support. Beowulf May 2016 #102
Because it doesn't matter who does it. Votes, including delegates' votes, *matter*. Nt JudyM May 2016 #47
And there were more Hillary delegates than Bernie delegates, so that affected the outcome. pnwmom May 2016 #48
Is there a link to her endorsing Sanders? frylock May 2016 #63
The Newsweek article states it. The link is in the OP. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #66
No, sorry. Is there any proof other than what is claimed in the article? frylock May 2016 #80
*crickets* kiva May 2016 #82
How bout that? mcar May 2016 #70
A Bernie supporting superdelegate-what are the odds. hobbit709 May 2016 #75
Nobody but bernie can be trusted. Everyone else is a corporate shill. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #76
Where's a link to her own endorsement of Bernie? Arazi May 2016 #83
Only in the minds of the Camp Weathervane people. hobbit709 May 2016 #84
Bullshit article. eom Norrin Radd May 2016 #100
She's not endorsed anybody. If article says that, then article is wrong. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #103
I don't give a crap. She cheated, on video, large as life. AtomicKitten May 2016 #104
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