2016 Postmortem

aikoaiko

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26. Not conceding means fighting HRC for the nomination at every moment

Reply to auntpurl (Reply #18)

Wed May 18, 2016, 06:46 AM

May 2016

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 07:16 AM - Edit history (1)

It's still the primary and he has only expressed anti-trump rhetoric when he does address the GE.

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Bad night for Bernie, I'm afraid. [View all] auntpurl May 2016 OP

Hillary ties and it's a big victory. Bernie wins by a healthy margin and it's a loss. o.k. nt merrily May 2016 #1

Well, yes. That's the reality. auntpurl May 2016 #2

Well, no. Here is a very abbreviated version of the big picture-- merrily May 2016 #3

I never said Bernie hasn't made a good showing overall. auntpurl May 2016 #4

Did you even read what I linked you to, let alone give it a thought? THE GENERAL ELECTION. merrily May 2016 #7

Yes, of course I read it. auntpurl May 2016 #8

No, the GE polls at this stage are not meaningless. Maybe that was true 4 months ago It's false now. merrily May 2016 #9

How do you figure she is weak and squeaking by? auntpurl May 2016 #11

Don't make up stuff about who I like. I'm not 12 and she's not running for prom queen. merrily May 2016 #21

We will agree to disagree. auntpurl May 2016 #29

On what? She deflected from Bernie's disappointing Hortensis May 2016 #107

Oh puffy socks May 2016 #84

OY. Get real. And a clue. First, tell me where I said Michigan or Oregon polls were meaningless. merrily May 2016 #92

I never said YOU said it puffy socks May 2016 #96

Well, now you're just getting incoherent. Maybe a nap? merrily May 2016 #97

Yes it is hard to keep up with the Berni campus total twisted logic I realize that that's not my pro puffy socks May 2016 #100

Indeed, and if the will of minority voters is overturned... joshcryer May 2016 #10

Personally... auntpurl May 2016 #12

But you can understand the 2008 "racially-tinged" campaign Hillary ran as progressive? merrily May 2016 #23

I reject the characterisation. auntpurl May 2016 #31

Too bad. It's true. It happened; it was widely reported and recognized; and it had a stench. merrily May 2016 #33

And how. As do very strikingly most "POC." Hortensis May 2016 #94

Good point. Hortensis May 2016 #99

Obama lost Demsrule86 May 2016 #17

See Reply 21. (Or don't, since you admit you don't listen to reason.) merrily May 2016 #34

Why would I listen Demsrule86 May 2016 #144

At this point, yes. Becuase in the end, the delegates count, and he's way behind. nt Adrahil May 2016 #28

A win is still not a loss, no matter how its spun. Neither is a tie a win. Sorry. merrily May 2016 #46

Not really leftynyc May 2016 #68

He needed to win with a 40 pt margin. He got 9. That's a loss. A **HUGE** loss. baldguy May 2016 #41

That Hillary started with a 65 point lead and every other advantage and has not put the nom merrily May 2016 #47

After every one of his "victories", the margin Sanders needs to win by increases. baldguy May 2016 #55

So, what I posted was correct. Thanks! merrily May 2016 #58

And that's the reason math-challenged Sanders supporters in the end will be disappointed. baldguy May 2016 #66

Your assumption that I cannot add and subtract is as wrongheaded, baseless and silly as merrily May 2016 #67

If you need 7 to win and you get 5, then you lose. Even if the other person only got 4. baldguy May 2016 #86

Hillary didn't start with any lead. We're talking about pledged delegates here. yardwork May 2016 #104

Exactly. Hortensis May 2016 #112

You are mistaken. Hillary won KY (not a tie). riversedge May 2016 #126

No, you're mistaken. I didn't say she tied KY. merrily May 2016 #134

Given the spot that Bernie is in, it is clearly a loss. kstewart33 May 2016 #128

I acknowledge your racist comment... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #5

??? auntpurl May 2016 #6

Nowhere Stuckinthebush May 2016 #64

Thanks. auntpurl May 2016 #77

Racist seriously? Adrahil May 2016 #32

less than 100 delegates are needed by hillary to secure the nomination beachbum bob May 2016 #13

Yeah, it's bad optics. auntpurl May 2016 #14

The disgrace was Roberta Lange conducting the proceedings like a U.S.S.R. Poltiburo meeting... Human101948 May 2016 #37

So she was asking for it? auntpurl May 2016 #38

Following the rules & not seating delegates who don't show up apparently require death threats. baldguy May 2016 #42

I don't know why but auntpurl May 2016 #43

Planned Parenthood was the final straw for me. joshcryer May 2016 #48

Seriously. PLANNED PARENTHOOD. auntpurl May 2016 #50

Straining our credulity again, josh? Where you stood has been obvious. merrily May 2016 #62

Huh, you removed your sticky? joshcryer May 2016 #81

Rant on with that nonsense, but none of that was the point of my post, as you know. merrily May 2016 #85

I point out ugliness. joshcryer May 2016 #87

No. I pointed out your hypocrisy and you changed the subject.There's nothing lofty about that merrily May 2016 #95

No, you implied a faulty assumption. joshcryer May 2016 #98

I implied nothing. I said stuff flat out. Or do you mean inferred? I don't "bash," either. merrily May 2016 #103

Um, you didn't say shit flat out. joshcryer May 2016 #105

Um, no. You don't know crap about my support of Sanders, but, then again, I never pretended to merrily May 2016 #138

You won't be rallying behind Sanders when he stumps for Clinton. joshcryer May 2016 #141

K & R most enthusiastically. SO well said. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #15

Maybe so but I'm glad he has not conceded. aikoaiko May 2016 #16

I'm not calling for him to concede but auntpurl May 2016 #18

Not conceding means fighting HRC for the nomination at every moment aikoaiko May 2016 #26

I wish Clinton supporters would practice what they preach Scootaloo May 2016 #152

When was the last time you heard Hillary mention Bernie? auntpurl May 2016 #153

I did say Clinton supporters, didn't I? Scootaloo May 2016 #154

YOU did, but the post you were replying to was auntpurl May 2016 #155

And I can talk about what I like. Scootaloo May 2016 #156

+1 merrily May 2016 #25

Compare Hillary Clinton vs Obama in 2008 in Kentucky vs Clinton vs Sanders 2016 PufPuf23 May 2016 #19

I AM comparing them. auntpurl May 2016 #20

I had noticed that - Clinton winning states Obama won in 2008 and Sanders vice versa - PufPuf23 May 2016 #24

It's a false equivalency. Obama had media on his side plus many Democrats, including PTB like merrily May 2016 #30

Not to put too fine a point on it.... Adrahil May 2016 #35

Actually, it is still in play. auntpurl May 2016 #36

Time for Bernie to fold up his tent and go quietly into the night. oasis May 2016 #22

Luckily, that's not your decision. It's not even mine, and I am a donor. merrily May 2016 #27

Bernie can go on being defiant for all I care. He doesn't seem oasis May 2016 #39

If you don't care, what's the point of posting he should quit? In fact, even if you do care, merrily May 2016 #49

He can stay, but auntpurl May 2016 #40

He's becoming too radioactive for any super delegates to get oasis May 2016 #44

Yeah. As I said above, people are going to be edging away auntpurl May 2016 #45

I watched his speech last night and again this morning on Cspan. He didn't attack Hillary at all, B Calm May 2016 #53

Excellent. Glad to hear it. auntpurl May 2016 #54

No way in hell are any supers getting behind Sanders now workinclasszero May 2016 #56

I thought it was a very good night for Bernie, especially considering Vinca May 2016 #51

"Kentucky has always been a Hillary state." auntpurl May 2016 #52

That's a very silly analogy. Vinca May 2016 #59

Look at the electoral maps. auntpurl May 2016 #61

But Hillary is not Obama. By a long shot. Vinca May 2016 #65

That's true. She's winning by more than he ever was. auntpurl May 2016 #70

Too bad she can't rustle up a crowd that looks larger than free lunch day at the senior center. Vinca May 2016 #140

Yes, she's not amazing with huge rallies, bumper stickers, or yard signs auntpurl May 2016 #142

"instead of shouting . . . " That's a joke, right? Vinca May 2016 #145

You're not afraid and your not sorry, so why say so? bjo59 May 2016 #57

Just being polite. auntpurl May 2016 #60

Yes, it will be a need for over 100% of the delegate count in the primaries. Thinkingabout May 2016 #63

Just 130 more states to go and Bernie's got this! auntpurl May 2016 #69

Maybe we could capture some more territory before the convention to Thinkingabout May 2016 #79

Is that facetiousness really necessary? chwaliszewski May 2016 #88

I was only joking. auntpurl May 2016 #90

Apology accepted. chwaliszewski May 2016 #101

I look forward to DU in civil mode. auntpurl May 2016 #102

Right it was a bad night for Bernie it was also a bad night for Hillary. gordianot May 2016 #71

Hillary is in an extremely strong position going into the convention and the GE. auntpurl May 2016 #74

Hillary is a corrupt neo con more of a tool than a leader. gordianot May 2016 #91

Ok. auntpurl May 2016 #93

Lol, i love your dramatic title. Silly. Nt Logical May 2016 #72

Is it dramatic? auntpurl May 2016 #75

Three million more votes for Hillary so far Progressive dog May 2016 #73

I still think she will win California. auntpurl May 2016 #76

Not only will she win, texstad79 May 2016 #114

and only 57 million more people haven't voted. How proud you must be! B Calm May 2016 #78

Everyone should vote their conscience in the primary. auntpurl May 2016 #80

You seem to be confusing population with Progressive dog May 2016 #89

ha. thanks for trying... RazBerryBeret May 2016 #82

Hey, march away, my friend. auntpurl May 2016 #83

HRC supporters are in for a rude awakening... vi5 May 2016 #106

More doomsaying. auntpurl May 2016 #108

We'll see.... vi5 May 2016 #113

Ponies, rainbows and unicorns. gordianot May 2016 #118

Trump will get Bush voters and then some. vi5 May 2016 #119

Once upon a time in Missouri the hot populist ticket was Jerry Litton. gordianot May 2016 #124

You're right. Stuff changes. auntpurl May 2016 #125

You're absolutely right. vi5 May 2016 #129

Sanders would have come close to Litton who was to the left of Sanders. gordianot May 2016 #131

You're more optimistic than I am. vi5 May 2016 #146

No, he won't. Bush got 44% of the Latino vote, Romney 27% and Trump is polling in single digits. stevenleser May 2016 #135

There's a reason oddsmakers say Clinton is likely to be the next POTUS. Garrett78 May 2016 #149

Winner, yes exactly. gordianot May 2016 #109

Conservatives are strongly motivated by fear. Hortensis May 2016 #115

They hate Clinton more than they fear Trump vi5 May 2016 #120

"They" are not monolithic. "They" are people. Hortensis May 2016 #123

I do.... vi5 May 2016 #127

I wrote my Masters Thesis on use of pronouns in reading comprehension. gordianot May 2016 #133

I need a sword to help untangle this. Hortensis May 2016 #147

That cuts the knot. gordianot May 2016 #148

Seriously, I often wince over Hortensis May 2016 #150

We are all susceptible to the so called strawman argument. gordianot May 2016 #157

Seriously, it's possible to "master" them? Hortensis May 2016 #158

Current research implies the distance of the original referent is a factor. gordianot May 2016 #159

Well, I can believe that - and more difficult for some Hortensis May 2016 #161

Indeed. For all practical purposes he lost both contests. DCBob May 2016 #110

I genuinely did expect a bigger win for him in Oregon. auntpurl May 2016 #116

Hillaryous fantasy, but here in America a 10% margin is called a "victory" lagomorph777 May 2016 #111

Ok then. auntpurl May 2016 #117

OTOH, HRC beat Obama 65-30 in '08, and Oregon poll had BS down by 15. thesquanderer May 2016 #121

No, you don't understand. auntpurl May 2016 #122

Glaring absence from the Obama coalition for Hillary: young voters. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #137

You're right, that is one difference. auntpurl May 2016 #139

No argument, re: electoral maps. (nm) Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #143

Welcome back. Don't you love reincarnation? n/t arcane1 May 2016 #130

? In what sense? auntpurl May 2016 #132

"urban diverse vs rural white" Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #136

Even worse (since clearly the race is over, so no one is paying attention to that) is the violence. anotherproletariat May 2016 #151

LOL. Sanders won by 12% in Oregon. Clinton cheated her way to a 0.5% "victory" in closed primary mhatrw May 2016 #160