Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
11. Not certain, as mentioned before, it's been harder and harder to say I will vote for her.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:32 PM
May 2016

At the moment, if she does become the Nominee, I think I will still vote for her.

It all depends on who I theoretically think will be able to do less damage to the country.

This involves a lot of factors to me.

-Policies
-Record
-Opposition (Will Progressive values be more active/engaged, dependent on who becomes President)
-Projection of the Future(My own predictions as to what will probably happen)(Is it better to cruise in the Status Quo, or allow someone to push things somewhere even the wrong direction which would force some sort of change)
-Political Favor (Who is behind them)

Most of those factors arguably currently favor Clinton in my view.

I do note, that whomever the President becomes, there are checks and balances that will keep them from screwing things up bad. So to me, whomever the President becomes will set the agenda. I don't know what Trump or Clinton will do in their agenda, which is why it scares me a bit. Trump, since he's an unknown and he hasn't made any actual promises as his agenda seems to be open, while Clinton has been in many many positions in different important issues that makes her liable to bring the country further to the Right as well. Her agenda is much better, however sometimes, with the compromises given, maybe it should have been left alone.

It does not matter if many of her supporters think that she's got this, or it is her time, or that Bernie can't win. She goes in to this fight with glaring negatives that many refuse to address. It is why many Sanders supporters can't help but say, if she loses, it is her fault alone, as those negatives have not really been addressed and they will be addressed come general election. It can't be that just by bringing up her record Sanders or his supporters are being negative, that is merely going after the messenger while ignoring the issue. Her campaign to me has been a constant attack on any one who questions her record, her pandering and actions. That may work on the primaries, but not in the General Election, and saying Trump is much worse, even if true, is such a weak enticement to have someone vote for them.

So yes, I can still say I will vote for her if she is the nominee in the General Election, beyond that would be her supporters' job. I feel like supporting her fully is rewarding her for bad behavior. I do not want to give any sort of legitimacy towards Republicans since they gain it if they get a Republican in the White House, but again, that is because I do not want to reward bad behavior.

Just a loyalty oath pledge and demand. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #1
. mmonk May 2016 #2
Oh puhleeze. I've been waiting for someone to poll for this. Are you ashamed of your choice? kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #28
Because people are genuinely afraid Amaril May 2016 #62
Hillary hasn't earned my vote as of yet. n/t JPnoodleman May 2016 #3
Don't trust her. Need to see a good platform, party rules and DNC reform, progressive running mate Vote2016 May 2016 #55
There's plenty that Hillary has done that I don't like but the transcript thing really irks me. Joob May 2016 #4
Bzzzzzzz fly paper! morningfog May 2016 #5
I support Bernie. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #6
Alaska???? No Democrat can win that state plus they don't have that many electoral votes. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #29
Three to be exact, Blue_In_AK May 2016 #36
Lol! Anyone who can survive in that weather and put up with the Palins should be excused! kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #65
Actually, our weather in Anchorage isn't bad at all, Blue_In_AK May 2016 #66
I hear that some people will be writing in Bernie Sanders catnhatnh May 2016 #7
I believe such ballots are generally discarded as "spoilt ballots", Nye Bevan May 2016 #8
I was of course shocked catnhatnh May 2016 #10
So if someone writes in "Donald Duck" on the presidential ballot, Nye Bevan May 2016 #14
In most states, yes.... catnhatnh May 2016 #16
Yes a publicity coup, and that's all. Agschmid May 2016 #17
I hear that some people catnhatnh May 2016 #18
An answer? Agschmid May 2016 #19
I want the perfect medium rare filet mignon. PeteSelman May 2016 #9
In this case, the second choice is dog shit, though. eom Fawke Em May 2016 #47
Yes. But I am told it tastes better than camel shit which is the third choice. I think I would just GoneFishin May 2016 #57
I guess it depends upon what they eat. Fawke Em May 2016 #59
True. But one of them is on fancy paper doilys and has colorful cellophane tipped toothpicks in them GoneFishin May 2016 #61
Not certain, as mentioned before, it's been harder and harder to say I will vote for her. Xyzse May 2016 #11
NOYDB. nt nc4bo May 2016 #12
No how, no way... Yurovsky May 2016 #13
My vote is none of your business. cali May 2016 #15
Since you are one of the most prolific posters here, I think most of us know where you stand.... kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #30
As I don't know, I find it difficult to believe you do. cali May 2016 #34
None of the above Spider Jerusalem May 2016 #20
Hey Nye, you should just post this poll in the Hillary Group 2banon May 2016 #21
I'm so tired of this question, not just from DU either Rebkeh May 2016 #22
exactly. n/t Merryland May 2016 #31
I consider myself a "conscientious objector" when it comes to this election. PragmaticLiberal May 2016 #23
Trump: My SCOTUS nominee may try to overturn Roe v. Wade Nye Bevan May 2016 #24
your intention of posting this really was seeking a loyalty oath timmymoff May 2016 #38
Hillary: Will appoint another pro-corporate stooge. Fawke Em May 2016 #48
I don't know yet. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #25
OH MY GAWD..........NOT AGAIN bkkyosemite May 2016 #26
"Not a loyalty oath" in the same way Hillary is "not an entitled corporate puppet" Android3.14 May 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #32
The Admins Turin_C3PO May 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #40
I remember that one Turin_C3PO May 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #51
At least the admins apologized for it. Prism May 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #58
And I'm not a DU user. bvf May 2016 #33
Don't know = cowardice joshcryer May 2016 #35
You do know you can vote against both Trump and Clinton. Fawke Em May 2016 #49
Pass hellofromreddit May 2016 #37
Not voting for Hillary. Full stop. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #41
Hammer head meets nail square on farleftlib May 2016 #63
I put "other" because it all depends on what happens between now and November Armstead May 2016 #42
Same bunch every time Dem2 May 2016 #43
I don't know. bklyncowgirl May 2016 #44
I will vote my conscience. That's all you get from me. aikoaiko May 2016 #45
Can you have an option for "Will support the Democratic Party nominee regardless" MH1 May 2016 #46
He is making his list and... Purveyor May 2016 #52
ITS A TRAP PEOPLE!!!!!!! DON'T GET CAU jack_krass May 2016 #53
You should make an option for "I'd vote Hillary if I lived in Florida but I don't so I'm undecided" Vote2016 May 2016 #54
Seems like things are starting to change. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #60
With some posters...... Amaril May 2016 #64
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»NOT a "loyalty oath" or p...»Reply #11