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redstateblues

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183. You are spending too much time in the BS echo chamber. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:36 PM
May 2016

In Congress. Lumping her in with Ted Cruz et al makes one look foolish. It's just not true.

History doesn't matter to Hillary supporters in general... TCJ70 May 2016 #1
History is PRECISELY what matters. And that's why the OP is pure bullshit. Buzz Clik May 2016 #5
If that were true... TCJ70 May 2016 #9
The newest progressive wave in America began officially in 2008 Hortensis May 2016 #73
She doesn't have to be "progressive" to get my vote. She just has to competent, caring, and Jitter65 May 2016 #133
Well...she's missing two out of the three...n/t TCJ70 May 2016 #139
Is that why her campaign strategists seem stuck in a time warp? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #157
Yes. But there's a LOT of willful erasing going on there. dchill May 2016 #2
Got that right... Hillary a progressive? Yeah, that's why all those Rethugs are dumpin Trump and comin over to support her. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #61
Where did you find that pic of Bernie when he got his redstateblues May 2016 #182
erasing , rewriting, obfuscating, ignoring Ferd Berfel May 2016 #115
Attacking people who disagree with you ... same as it ever was. JoePhilly May 2016 #3
Indeed Andy823 May 2016 #153
Over 100,000 posts, and heading to the finish line. Buzz Clik May 2016 #4
In your fantasies Buzz, dear friend cali May 2016 #6
No fantasy. Just waiting for you to get back... Buzz Clik May 2016 #21
A progressive democrat would support the most progressive candidate. Loudestlib May 2016 #30
Really! "A progressive democrat would support the most progressive candidate." Buzz Clik May 2016 #37
If you want to call a democrat that voted for the Iraq war, made themselves a millionaire Loudestlib May 2016 #46
Fine. You have your opinion. Buzz Clik May 2016 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #58
Your opinion. Not mine. Buzz Clik May 2016 #67
I wouldn't mind if you forced your views. MadDAsHell May 2016 #171
To call a right-winger a progressive only serves to move both poles of the political spectrum Broward May 2016 #51
Are you referring to this chart? Rass May 2016 #147
It all depends on what your definition of "is" is. n/t RufusTFirefly May 2016 #148
Hillary's the one who gets to decide... not surprising then she appeals to Rethugs who can't wait to vote for her over Trump. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #64
Hillary touts herself as Obama 3.0 Go Vols May 2016 #103
you think Lindsay Graham is cut of the same Cloth as Hillary simply because he disavows Trump? Sheepshank May 2016 #164
Half the repukes are getting behind her, how progressive can she be? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #177
If Hillary is progressive, guess that makes Ted Cruz a moderate. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #192
Says the person with 11 hides... ljm2002 May 2016 #34
And another Sanders supporter demonstrates complete lack of ability to address the issue. Buzz Clik May 2016 #39
You're the pathetic one... ljm2002 May 2016 #41
Buzz Clik, maybe you haven't been a Democrat long enough to understand that Democrats won't shut up w4rma May 2016 #90
I am shamefully aware that a large fraction of Democrats spend all their time complaining. Buzz Clik May 2016 #94
When New Democrats start taking positive actions towards Wall Street criminals. w4rma May 2016 #97
I love the way you guys create your own fantasy world and pretend it's real. Buzz Clik May 2016 #99
You're either ignorant or lying, Buzz Clik. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #100
How sweet. I love an open mind. Let's just say ... Buzz Clik May 2016 #102
I love the way you Clintonites create your own fantasy world and pretend it's real. w4rma May 2016 #104
Very original. How old are you? Buzz Clik May 2016 #105
How sweet. I love an open mind. Let's just say ... w4rma May 2016 #107
I love it, your reply shows you the emptiness of so many of the Clinton supporters on this board. JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #185
I find that the only positive response to non-substantial insults, like Buzz Click's, is to repeat w4rma May 2016 #200
"Hillary 2016, Better than Trump ask Dick Cheney" bahrbearian May 2016 #12
+1000 stonecutter357 May 2016 #49
Bernie fans have basically fallen for their own lies Onlooker May 2016 #7
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #8
K&R Henhouse May 2016 #10
You, obviously, need a refresher course. Darb May 2016 #11
Thanks for this. Perfect response. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #14
+1 Buzz Clik May 2016 #40
'as anyone'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #43
Kind of like Obama's changing position on gay marriage. And that guy could never get elected... fleabiscuit May 2016 #70
Change of position... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #72
You don't own progressive either. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #76
Beautiful response! BlueMTexpat May 2016 #75
Excellent analysis. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #80
What an excellent post. I don't bother but ya... That. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #111
+1 Arkansas Granny May 2016 #165
+1 BuddhaGirl May 2016 #166
Great points. But you forgot the most egregious one of not being able -- even almost a year into the Number23 May 2016 #172
No.. no, he said it on Maddow the other night... he called it "collective energy" will change the... uponit7771 May 2016 #196
Wow. Surreal. You have just decribed (lol albeit with the most generous interpretation of JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #186
Wow, Bernie voted the same way as a moderate Rep. 93% of time. LOL. Onlooker May 2016 #187
That reflects the obvious facts that really progressive legislation never makes it out of committee eridani May 2016 #190
that 93% figure is misleading.Where they differed with respect to the votes that have been cast JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #206
+1, there it is then uponit7771 May 2016 #195
We know that you're not planning to vote for her. Nye Bevan May 2016 #13
I rescinded that over a year ago. cali May 2016 #18
Good to know you're warming up to Hillary! Nye Bevan May 2016 #19
I'm not. I think she's sane. Trump isn't. That's it. cali May 2016 #47
Hey, whenever a Bernie supporter rescinds a pledge to never vote for Hillary, Nye Bevan May 2016 #122
Is Hillary not progressive? casperthegm May 2016 #15
You don't own progressive. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #71
proof? casperthegm May 2016 #83
'SOUTHERN' red state voters shouldn't count. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #89
That would definitely help Bernie. Go Vols May 2016 #116
The states that help him the most are the ones that don't look like America. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #136
So what states DO "look like America"? Art_from_Ark May 2016 #189
Interesting #'s you have there.... alittlelark May 2016 #134
What is the words and actions test? Want to know my blood type? fleabiscuit May 2016 #145
Your reply made no sense. alittlelark May 2016 #146
I don't doubt that one bit. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #149
Wow. You're pretty damned arrogant. Maedhros May 2016 #202
The privileged think they can define who's progressive, they can't so they rant on forums like this uponit7771 May 2016 #197
You'd think we could come up with a consensus on what is NOT progressive casperthegm May 2016 #198
93% liberal voting record in the Senate Demsrule86 May 2016 #16
Bernie fans have convinced themselves they are the gatekeepers of progressivism. JaneyVee May 2016 #17
Don't confuse them with the facts.... CherokeeDem May 2016 #28
It's kind of amusing. I have to convince myself she's not a Republican. Vinca May 2016 #20
You are spending too much time in the BS echo chamber. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators redstateblues May 2016 #183
I'm not lumping her in with Ted Cruz. All Republicans are not the same. Vinca May 2016 #191
It is called dellusion. It is a sad affair for the Party and for the country. kgnu_fan May 2016 #22
Sherrod Brown and Barbara Boxer backed her up. John Lewis says she was there in the civil rights Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #23
That is not an argument cali May 2016 #25
barbara boxer shanti May 2016 #113
I suppose Barbara Boxer has her reasons for supporting Hillary, Blue_In_AK May 2016 #125
They twist my entire world view into a pretzel. nt silvershadow May 2016 #24
She's received a title bump to "Dearest Leader". Barack_America May 2016 #26
Voting my conscience means writing somebody in for president. Cannot vote rury May 2016 #27
Perhaps writing in yourself makes sense then. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #92
She was the 11th most liberal senator when she was there. YouDig May 2016 #29
Being the 11th most liberal senator doesn't make you a liberal. Beowulf May 2016 #84
P-HACKING. EOM fleabiscuit May 2016 #95
There is only 1 Senator who is in the Democratic Progressive Caucus, bvar22 May 2016 #124
Hillary Clinton Is A Progressive Democrat, Despite What You May Have Heard LiberalFighter May 2016 #31
She is progressive to the point where money flows nolabels May 2016 #69
+1,000 n/t LarryNM May 2016 #151
Part of the genius of the Clinton's is that they have pushed the party so far to the right Beowulf May 2016 #87
You sound like you don't think there can't be nuts on both sides of the branch. n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #96
Who says we're the same tree? Beowulf May 2016 #126
They are all clones. n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #138
Your premise is only true if you think Bernie is the only definition of 'progressive'. CrowCityDem May 2016 #32
Sanders supporters have convinced themselves that continuing to attack the Democratic nominee Trust Buster May 2016 #33
Do you know what she said to the Wall Street Banksters who had stolen our money and brought B Calm May 2016 #42
Do you know anything about Sanders' tax returns ? He's just like Trump. Trust Buster May 2016 #44
Sanders's family doesn't make enough money to have done anything untoward. w4rma May 2016 #91
So says you. I think, like Trump, there's got to be a reason Sanders has bucked tradition here. Trust Buster May 2016 #119
Her supporters do more mental gymnastics than fire and brimstone Talibangelists. nt VulgarPoet May 2016 #35
Wow, that was really clever. n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #93
When they reach retirement age, they probably won't remember what happened to Social Security. Octafish May 2016 #36
Thanks for that Go Vols May 2016 #120
No they haven't. They know she's not a true progressive and that's exactly NorthCarolina May 2016 #38
Progressives know there isn't a definitive definition or representative of progressive. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #98
Fools think 'progressive' means nothing more than 'not Republican.' Maedhros May 2016 #178
I don't think her supporters are that stupid. They know she's not a progressive. EndElectoral May 2016 #45
Current Prez:Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s Go Vols May 2016 #123
I disagree. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #179
she is a progressive. stonecutter357 May 2016 #50
And I'm a dinosaur! RAAAAAR!!! It's fun to pretend! Yurovsky May 2016 #66
Here's a tip Cali. Don't vote for her. leftofcool May 2016 #52
When I read some of the claims, rationalizations, etc., all I can think of is merrily May 2016 #53
Most Democrats in Congress had the good sense and decency to vote against the Iraq War tabasco May 2016 #54
she WILL support the TPP hopemountain May 2016 #55
She'll pick a rabid pro TPP booster cali May 2016 #78
yes. i shudder to think hopemountain May 2016 #79
They're intentionally trying to redefine progressive pengu May 2016 #56
And when she hobnobs with republicon elites begging for their money??? Kip Humphrey May 2016 #57
A female wartime president = "progressive", apparently. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #59
Ah, the purity test. Loki May 2016 #60
No purity test. Just reality. She's a centrist. cali May 2016 #63
You'r describing the majority of Americans. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #106
She promotes and votes for laws that damage Americans. senz May 2016 #117
Such as laws that... fleabiscuit May 2016 #118
Clinton approved $120M of Sandy Hook gun maker sales senz May 2016 #127
The SOS does not approve gun sales in the US, or grant them immunity in the US. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #137
NRA Lobbyist Co-Hosted Hillary Clinton Fundraiser senz May 2016 #130
Where is the lobbyist's recored senate vote? eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #141
Forbes lobbied to kill universal background checks in 2013 senz May 2016 #142
Where is the lobbyist's recored vote? eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #143
Apparently you don't know how lobbying works. senz May 2016 #144
They can gain access to senators to pitch for immunity for gun makers. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #150
My take: Hillary voters worship Hillary and Bill; Bernie voters want his platform. CobaltBlue May 2016 #62
IMHO, Don't play Texas Holdem. fleabiscuit May 2016 #204
Until this primary I thought only limbeciles were this delusional. Doctor_J May 2016 #65
Fascinating that 'progressives' can be so down on America and Americans. fleabiscuit May 2016 #152
Bullshit conservative drivel. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #180
Those that keep trying to redefine progressive to the right Broward May 2016 #68
I guess almost 13 million Americans (about 3 million more than Sanders' vote count) have... George II May 2016 #74
Actually you just have to have basic critical thinking skills. ismnotwasm May 2016 #77
You sure about that not being hard? lol eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #154
Hillary is so "progressive" democrank May 2016 #81
Wow, IMHO that is totally vacuous. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #156
Five Reasons Hillary is Not A Progressive Boldine May 2016 #82
+1000 Her voting history, SOS actions, & financial backing are RIGHTWING CONSERVATIVE senz May 2016 #112
It's actually more like 50 Doctor_J May 2016 #168
The only thing progressive about Hillary might be an insurance policy. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #85
Cognitive dissonance explains everything AgingAmerican May 2016 #86
They are masters of DoubleThink. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #88
that's what she's done to the party: Clinton's power is that she can tell you, to your face, what MisterP May 2016 #101
K & R AzDar May 2016 #108
Hillary is exactly as progressive as the corporations/ 1% allow her to be Teamster Jeff May 2016 #109
Is widespread self-deception symptomatic of a dying empire? bjo59 May 2016 #110
It's all in the chart pdsimdars May 2016 #114
Perhaps we should think of progressive as a direction, rather than as a resume item. Orsino May 2016 #121
GOP infiltrates normally liberal gatherings to plant doubt about likely Democratic candidate. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #128
I think one could safely say that she's mostly progressive (now) Blue_In_AK May 2016 #129
Sanders "fans" have convinced themselves she is a Republican. seabeyond May 2016 #131
I've 'convinced myself' of nothing besides Blue_Tires May 2016 #132
Seems like we need to abandon that label. Dark n Stormy Knight May 2016 #135
yep truth oldandhappy May 2016 #140
She's gonna court "megachurch moms" now, that is her brock beltway geniuses' strategy. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #155
Why wouldn't she court right/left women. Sounds smart to me. You do want smart in your Pres, right? seabeyond May 2016 #158
Smart would be courting Millennials, not anti-choice right wing Xtian conservatives. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #159
Clinton is courting Millennials and right women damn well know who will be put in Supreme Court. seabeyond May 2016 #161
We do want smart. And I think she's smart. But her advisors live in a beltway time warp bubble Warren DeMontague May 2016 #162
Having a '95 and a '97, I say, that it is on us. I certainly know this generation. seabeyond May 2016 #169
She's on the record as being OK with a constitutional amendment to curb reproductive rights Doctor_J May 2016 #167
"Republican without believing that queering causes hurricanes" MisterP May 2016 #160
Can you name one bill that Obama signed in his first two years, when Democrats controlled congress, StevieM May 2016 #163
Look at Citizens United saynotoplutocrats May 2016 #170
Very recommended. H2O Man May 2016 #173
Or not be a bitter Demsrule86 May 2016 #174
They are starry eyed. No logic IMO. nt Logical May 2016 #175
I got an interesting response HassleCat May 2016 #176
Well that's certainly part of it. The other part is that many Hillary supporters KPN May 2016 #181
We're called Democrats and she's the nominee. onehandle May 2016 #184
The Democrats took a pass and enabled this situation. libdem4life May 2016 #188
I agree. She is no progressive. Vattel May 2016 #193
I think her supporters think Hillary is progressive enough All in it together May 2016 #194
its pretty damn clear that Hillary supporters dont care about truth and honesty AZ Progressive May 2016 #199
That is correct. We are corrupt lying m*therf*ckers who should be worshipping you. Buzz Clik May 2016 #203
You have no problem supporting one of the most corrupt Democratic candidates ever AZ Progressive May 2016 #209
nah, just not convinced that the used car salesmen on both sides are being honest uponit7771 May 2016 #207
Nice work! Buzz Clik May 2016 #201
kr Norrin Radd May 2016 #205
Oh like voting in favor of the NRA and against the Brady Campaign? For lighter synergie May 2016 #208
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