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forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
228. What's scary is the lack of empathy in this thread.
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Not even a crying child will make people think "gee maybe we need to chill", no it's just the same old excuse-making and whining and abdication of responsibility. "Oh don't bring your child to see your favorite politician" - like what the fuck? I guess if I go to a Trump rally and get my black ass kicked it's my fault right? "Oh you can't prove it was Bernie supporters" (yeah they weren't chanting his name before they attacked that little girl)". I would call these people "childish" but that's an insult, I think "degenerates" is a better word because they have degenerated from what a responsible citizen and a responsible voter should be.

This isn't just about Bernie though; this is the kind of thing that we see with all these angry fringe ideological movements who reject the hard work needed to build consensus and move society to your side (though with the angry fringe right the ideology itself directly hurts too many people to ever build a coalition around).

The Professional Left needs to go back to the drawing-board. Tear the ENTIRE fucking edifice down, start over. Embrace pragmatism, compromise and coalition-building, even if you disagree with a given politician, even if they're too neoliberal for your tastes, with a strong enough coalition built by the above, you can move them to where you are. But screaming at people doesn't work. It hasn't worked for 50 fucking years. Screaming at mothers and children DEFINITELY won't work. (and this isn't just Bernie supporters but the campus activist set, even though I agree with both of their ideological positions!). The problem is though that a lot of (mostly upper middle class white) people are getting rich off producing the ideological equivalent of clickbait designed to channel outrage and energy into screaming at people and not building movements and characterizing everyone who disagrees as Eurasia or Eastasia depending on the day. This is what leads to a bunch of grown men screaming at a little girl and ripping up her sign and making them cry and not feeling a shade of remorse. Because they have been taught to dehumanize their ideological enemies, even if they're little girls who don't care about the ideological shit and think a woman President would be an amazing thing (which it would be). We know where the dehumanization of your ideological enemies leads. We know where that shit leads. It needs to stop.

What is even more amazing is that we know where this leads and we don't even try to be sensitive to anything that even hints at that. We've already had a SD threatened by a Bernie supporter. What happens if someone is hurt or killed by a Bernie protester at a Hillary rally? What if some unhinged fanatic actually hurts or kills a SD supporting Hillary? I'll tell you what happens. You better move to Sweden or Canada, because leftism is DEAD in America for another 50 years. Every left-wing populist movement would be compared to it. But I don't think the most fanatic Bernie supporters care, because virtue signaling is more important than winning, because touting "principles" and staying pure to stroke their own ego is what they're really in this for.

Seriously. Iliyah May 2016 #1
Yes...seriously, I mean...chanting Bernie, Bernie and some obscenities..how dare they...oh and some insta8er May 2016 #9
Bernie fans are really becoming asshats WhiteTara May 2016 #99
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Yelling obscenities at a bunch of kids WhiteTara May 2016 #107
Do you have proof they were yelling obscenities at the kids Perogie May 2016 #122
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yep Perogie May 2016 #154
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T^hey bullied little kids. sheshe2 May 2016 #168
They stopped being minorities when they supported Sanders apparently. Bonobo May 2016 #172
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Well some think since you don't post in the African American group (Hill Group #2) Bonobo May 2016 #180
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The AA group allows everyone to post there who is friendly. lovemydog May 2016 #220
Detroit techno is good stuff! nt NWCorona May 2016 #200
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I love that second wave Detroit techno. lovemydog May 2016 #221
Bernie is a virus......once infected, your are transformed into an angry white male virtualobserver May 2016 #225
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I only saw a Latino holding a sign for Hillary. I heard plenty of foul language. Jitter65 May 2016 #193
Hillary worshipers are ..... you lack the basic skills to determine a situation if it is not insta8er May 2016 #105
Bigger kids yelling obscenities at a bunch of WhiteTara May 2016 #111
One of the comments blamed the Mother for taking her child there. They really need to take a step still_one May 2016 #104
Turn the hose on them KingFlorez May 2016 #2
Why the hose? capital punishment seems to be more in place here. I mean come on insta8er May 2016 #6
I suppose they didn't have a Bernie rally to go to KingFlorez May 2016 #10
They were rallying for him, in case you missed it. But your point being that insta8er May 2016 #12
Calm yourself KingFlorez May 2016 #23
I'm calm...thank you for your soothing words. insta8er May 2016 #81
So then I guess you condone disrupting a rally by opposing candidate's supporters shouting down... George II May 2016 #72
I didn;t see your FAUX OUTRAGE when it happened at Trump rallies? insta8er May 2016 #84
I don't watch Trump rallies, this is DEMOCRATIC Underground. And no, it's not their "prerogative".. George II May 2016 #88
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #91
I am also glad to hear that there never was a post or mention of a distruption by insta8er May 2016 #92
Yes actually I do.... Silver_Witch May 2016 #158
I guess you feel it okay to yell "FIRE" in a movie theater, too. George II May 2016 #160
Wow you go with your silly statements. Silver_Witch May 2016 #165
No one needs to discredit (some) Bernie supporters, they're doing it themselves. George II May 2016 #166
They were harrassing little kids Demsrule86 May 2016 #93
Here is a tweet. sheshe2 May 2016 #51
Utterly disgusting, and they need to punish that person for using that type of language. insta8er May 2016 #90
Okie Dokie. sheshe2 May 2016 #95
You are making that up..keep making sh.. up and you start to believe it. insta8er May 2016 #97
What exactly am I making up? sheshe2 May 2016 #103
Scream hate? these guys were saying Bernie Bernie..in your eyes that might be hate. insta8er May 2016 #108
They were not just yelling Bernie. sheshe2 May 2016 #115
Jury voted to leave. merrily May 2016 #185
They now have three hides in this thread. sheshe2 May 2016 #207
Do you have proof they were yelling obscenities at the kids Perogie May 2016 #124
They shouted it at everyone that walked by, sheshe2 May 2016 #131
Are you basing that on the video? Perogie May 2016 #133
I am done. sheshe2 May 2016 #140
Perfect example of what's wrong with most people Perogie May 2016 #147
A protester swears cs1058 May 2016 #164
I think you need to do some research on the event. sheshe2 May 2016 #182
We have Bernie fans here on DU defending these protests! riversedge May 2016 #205
Yes. sheshe2 May 2016 #210
You should probably put the sarcasm tag on still_one May 2016 #106
What a bunch of Grade A F*cking Douchebags UMTerp01 May 2016 #3
No you will find a way to make your "team" the victim...nothing happened here other insta8er May 2016 #15
Yelling "F*** You" at the mom is not nothing Renew Deal May 2016 #18
You are making sh.. up, there were obscenities yelled, but nowhere could I see that it was insta8er May 2016 #25
No I'm not. Did you watch the video? Renew Deal May 2016 #26
I did, and you are making SH.. up! insta8er May 2016 #37
Which part? The upset kids? The police protection? The shouting? The cursewords? Renew Deal May 2016 #41
I know that comprehensive thinking skills are not what you guys are known for. But let me break it insta8er May 2016 #77
elements found at campaign rallies and protests cs1058 May 2016 #167
I saw the video and the poster is NOT making anything up, that thinking is privileged and obscene uponit7771 May 2016 #49
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #100
Please provide proof that the people are yelling at the kid Perogie May 2016 #127
Won't SOMEBODY think of the children?!!!! bunnies May 2016 #29
We just carpet bomb now. Kittycat May 2016 #38
Collateral damage. bunnies May 2016 #40
Cackle Cackle Kittycat May 2016 #48
Indeed. Ain't it sweet? bunnies May 2016 #55
The brochacho pendejo was yelling, "Fuck you, guera! Fuck you, guera!" LuvLoogie May 2016 #36
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #43
Well, your ignorance has no bearing on the facts of the matter. He was yelling at the woman. LuvLoogie May 2016 #52
Thank you for your lovely words, Mr. Pendejo..I am pleased that I meet your approval. insta8er May 2016 #59
Juror # 3 is a Pendejo. Should be fair game, right? ronnykmarshall May 2016 #114
I do not understand how you could divine that the person yelling was aiming his words at the woman me b zola May 2016 #142
Not "guerra" He was saying "guera" Look it up. Your ignorance has no bearing on the facts. LuvLoogie May 2016 #153
So please tell me how you know that she was the white/light woman he was yelling at? me b zola May 2016 #169
Um, he starts out by repeating "Be sad. Be very afraid. Be sad. Be very afraid." Obviously taunting LuvLoogie May 2016 #186
Clear as mud me b zola May 2016 #187
The mud is in your eyes and ears. Tell me. Do you hear him saying " Be sad. Be very afraid."..? LuvLoogie May 2016 #188
You just fill in missing blanks with whatever suits your needs? me b zola May 2016 #189
Do you hear it or don't you? Quit dodging. Here let me help. LuvLoogie May 2016 #192
It was directed at ALL going into the gym. Shame on you for supporting this vile crap riversedge May 2016 #212
How is protecting children faux? scscholar May 2016 #24
Nothing happened to this kid, he started crying. I have seen kids start crying over nothing. insta8er May 2016 #27
Yeah that kid was low...as in short Demsrule86 May 2016 #94
1.2.3 to the Faux Outrage, the only thing missing from this video is the insta8er May 2016 #4
They really need to paint some backwards "B"'s on their faces. That Guy 888 May 2016 #118
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #204
What makes you think they were yelling at kids? Vattel May 2016 #5
The kids were at the rally. Figure it out. (if you can!!) riversedge May 2016 #14
AT The kids..AT..we know that they were there. You said they were yelling AT them. insta8er May 2016 #31
When the kids are with the parents in line to get into the gym and Bernie folks YELL--YES they ARE riversedge May 2016 #197
Do you have proof they were yelling obscenities at the kids Perogie May 2016 #132
The crowd was also yelling F**k YOU!! over and over. The kids were with parents who had to riversedge May 2016 #198
um, I know that the difference between yelling in the vicinity of kids Vattel May 2016 #181
This is simply not okay. LisaM May 2016 #7
The most dispicable kind of human beings, now where they chanting Hillary Hillary insta8er May 2016 #11
nope they would have still been clueless, classless, dirtbags. rbrnmw May 2016 #78
Because you follow the OP's narrative...and refuse to see anything other insta8er May 2016 #80
nope not a sheep rbrnmw May 2016 #83
Yeah, I saw that too...you are making sh.. up here! maybe you saw that they insta8er May 2016 #96
Proof? Perogie May 2016 #129
Ted Cruz and these guys. Renew Deal May 2016 #20
where is the proof? Perogie May 2016 #8
It was the Sanders fans doing the yelling and scaring the kid. Shame on them. riversedge May 2016 #13
BoooHoo... Chanting Bernie Bernie, I mean in itself should only scare senior citizens and not insta8er May 2016 #19
Yes...they were yelling Bernie Bernie Bernie.....OUTRAGE OUTRAGE FAUX OUTRAGE! insta8er May 2016 #32
Post says they are yelling at kid Perogie May 2016 #112
They're chanting "Bernie, Bernie" while holding Bernie signs. Renew Deal May 2016 #17
Oh..the shock...OUTRAGE OUTRAGE LOL Signs and Bernie chants!!! n/t insta8er May 2016 #21
as the backdrop to scaring kids and cursing out moms Renew Deal May 2016 #22
There you go again, just making sh.. up...cursing out moms...where does that show? insta8er May 2016 #33
Around 25 secs in. "F*** You" twice Renew Deal May 2016 #42
And where did you see at who it was directed? insta8er May 2016 #44
And what is the problem with that? Perogie May 2016 #117
Extremists acting extreme Renew Deal May 2016 #16
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #50
Trashy Bernie supporters BluegrassDem May 2016 #28
Booohoo..what a trashy Bernie supporters, chanting Bernie, Bernie,Bernie...Lets get some more of insta8er May 2016 #35
What is the point of protesting and acting in an obnoxious fashion at a Hillary event? Demsrule86 May 2016 #116
Or if the media really gets their teeth into this. revmclaren May 2016 #175
Thanks for the information Demsrule86 May 2016 #229
In High School us players on football Team TimPlo May 2016 #30
So you stole school equipment and then went and taunted people from another school? LisaM May 2016 #67
Sad display, there. MineralMan May 2016 #34
Classy! n/t texstad79 May 2016 #39
Maybe if your child is brought to tears kiva May 2016 #45
Exactly; Irresponsible parenting amborin May 2016 #53
How about this? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #63
Do you always believe everything someone tweets? Perogie May 2016 #128
Unless I have a reason not to.. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #130
Sad, I usually look for more information to back it up. Perogie May 2016 #136
Why would should we all be the same? That has more than a hint of totalitarianism. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #137
being the same as in open minded Perogie May 2016 #157
YEAH because you can't even bring your kids to an event that has nothing to do with St. Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #110
Oh BS. No one was yelling at the kid. But yes, I can see that he was probably scared from the crowd Kittycat May 2016 #46
Please stop it Iliyah May 2016 #56
Stop what? Did you not watch the video? Kittycat May 2016 #58
Assholes Stuckinthebush May 2016 #47
Does the level of yelling "Arrest them" in Seattle sound familiar? Thinkingabout May 2016 #54
and yet Bernie supporters here defend this shit. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #57
No we defend your right to be fully FAUX OUTRAGED!! Please give some more..maybe insta8er May 2016 #61
if this shit happened at a Bernie rally .... ronnykmarshall May 2016 #64
No WE wouldn't, because unlike you and your kind we see things at face value. insta8er May 2016 #71
Would you want your kid to experience the scene at that protest? Renew Deal May 2016 #65
Listen, there is a black guy with a T-shirt that says FREE HUGS his mother is there. insta8er May 2016 #73
What made the kid cry? Why did they yell at the mother? Renew Deal May 2016 #76
Now you are starting to use that grey matter up there....you just now are asking the insta8er May 2016 #79
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Profoundly disturbing and disappointing. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #60
Good gawd Bobbie Jo May 2016 #62
and the people in this place defending this. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #66
Did you see this? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #69
Yes, let's believe everthing that someone tweets cause no one ever lies. Perogie May 2016 #145
Got any proof he isn't. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #146
see the difference? Perogie May 2016 #151
We are on a political forum, not a court of law. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #156
To be fair, a lot of it is one person LisaM May 2016 #70
Unreal. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #102
I know, who brings their kid kiva May 2016 #109
What an incredibly stupid and insensitive thing to say. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #113
No shit! ronnykmarshall May 2016 #120
Again, I brought my child to political rallies Demsrule86 May 2016 #121
Don't even. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #150
This is Donald Trump stuff, not Democratic stuff. Disgusting. George II May 2016 #68
This is the result of a losing campaign itsrobert May 2016 #74
Unreal that people are defending this. YouDig May 2016 #75
But it's s'all good when we shut down trump rallies, right? Joe the Revelator May 2016 #85
No way Demsrule86 May 2016 #162
they must be so proud - but so typical DrDan May 2016 #86
Just like Trump MFM008 May 2016 #87
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Protesting is one thing... JTFrog May 2016 #119
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Really.. Bullying is a.o.k.. As long as it's for the "right" candidate. Amimnoch May 2016 #170
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Loving see you make the "tone argument"! Bonobo May 2016 #173
Clinton skips out after 14 minutes cs1058 May 2016 #179
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Did Fox news tell you that?? NOPE-they did not interrupt her speach... riversedge May 2016 #196
How many starving kids cried Urchin May 2016 #98
I don't know but that does not give your the right to scare a kid Demsrule86 May 2016 #125
They should probably stay in their Free Speech Zones. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #123
clueless fanatics shouting curse words makes a country great? Demsrule86 May 2016 #126
Democracy is doomed with people like you. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #135
So, are you saying verbally abusing a child is okay? Amimnoch May 2016 #171
How is preventing Hillary Clinton from speaking Demsrule86 May 2016 #230
pro bernie supporters are CREEPS!!! We don't need violence at our Democratic rallies. trueblue2007 May 2016 #134
How dare anyone bring their kids to a political event!!!! JTFrog May 2016 #138
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Lol. Never any responsibility on the part of the assholes doing assholish shit.... JTFrog May 2016 #144
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Speaking of assholish behavior.... JTFrog May 2016 #163
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Won't be pining long. nt JTFrog May 2016 #211
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It's alive and well! JTFrog May 2016 #216
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Do you really think all those posts paint you as one of the good guys? nt JTFrog May 2016 #222
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Smells like bullshit Califonz May 2016 #152
the video shows nothing of the kind cs1058 May 2016 #155
The Clinton protest organizers-Union del Barrio, MEXA of East Los Angeles College, LA Brown Berets cs1058 May 2016 #159
Listen to the clip. They're chanting "Bernie." ucrdem May 2016 #191
That's one of the most disgusting things workinclasszero May 2016 #161
Spectacular thread fail! dchill May 2016 #178
They're yelling "Bernie Bernie" and throwing f-bombs at a kid. ucrdem May 2016 #190
No evidence of the claim in the title. basselope May 2016 #194
The fanaticism and rage -- from both Sanders and Trump supporters -- has to stop. Sparkly May 2016 #195
Just as classy as Trump supporters.......... Beacool May 2016 #199
Oh spam. How many times will you post the same thing? Live and Learn May 2016 #202
Kid is probably crying because his mom is forcing him to go to a Hillary rally when he wants Bernie Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #203
Parents have a right to bring kids to Town Halls without being harassed by Bernie fans. Shame on yo riversedge May 2016 #208
This stuff is probably being blown out of proportion. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #209
Yelling and chanting and blowing horns as families are going into the gym is frightening riversedge May 2016 #213
Hillary Clinton is responsible for a lot of pain and suffering Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #214
Changing the subject just shows how silly you are. bye riversedge May 2016 #218
My wife was there. The protesters were calling her some pretty terrible things. They made an older Tiggeroshii May 2016 #206
No evidence here that this yelling made the child cry. The child was upset. Lots of kids get upset highprincipleswork May 2016 #219
Your video shows no such thing AgingAmerican May 2016 #223
So classy .... yelling fuck you. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #227
What's scary is the lack of empathy in this thread. forjusticethunders May 2016 #228
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