2016 Postmortem

leveymg

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47. They lose, over and over again, DWS and the others still keep their cushy jobs.

Tue May 3, 2016, 08:33 AM

May 2016

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Their job, as they see it, is to make and keep the Democratic Party corporate RW -- and to maintain power, themselves -- even if that means they lose every election. Makes no difference to them.

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Ok then, Let's spell it out for Hillary "Democrats" [View all] berni_mccoy May 2016 OP

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious May 2016 #1

Yeah! They can only blame themselves for winning... Buzz Clik May 2016 #4

Winning? Scuba May 2016 #37

Have you spoken with her? Buzz Clik May 2016 #48

No answer to my question? Not surprising. Scuba May 2016 #49

I don't vote for her. If you hate her so fucking much, call her on the phone. Buzz Clik May 2016 #51

I don't hate her, but her past actions and her policies leave me cold. Scuba May 2016 #63

Fine. If you choose to take no direct action, then quit expecting me/us to justify what she does. Buzz Clik May 2016 #66

No one can justify what she does. Scuba May 2016 #67

And it is so much fun complaining! Buzz Clik May 2016 #69

Feel free to put me on ignore. Scuba May 2016 #70

Ok... one last comment, but this is relatively important. Buzz Clik May 2016 #71

Mine has every Clinton supporter... JimDandy May 2016 #113

Can we assume that your ignore list just grew by one? Buzz Clik May 2016 #115

Well no wonder you think you are majority in the Party. GulfCoast66 May 2016 #257

Its obvious you never been in IRC Chat Room... Rockyj May 2016 #256

You haven't a clue. Buzz Clik May 2016 #260

The chances of speaking with DWS directly on the phone are very slim indeed. At best Cal33 May 2016 #139

We lost all those seats leftynyc May 2016 #79

And wny did "so many on the left" stay home? Scuba May 2016 #80

Bullshit leftynyc May 2016 #86

Give people a reason to vote and they will. Offer a pale imitation of the other party ... Scuba May 2016 #87

Yawn leftynyc May 2016 #89

Now blaming the young for ponies nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #93

None ever asked for ponies, that's just a meme from the right-wing of the Democratic Party. Scuba May 2016 #96

And if the young got off their asses leftynyc May 2016 #98

If it isn't rocket science BlindTiresias May 2016 #135

Don't put the onus on anyone leftynyc May 2016 #138

Interesting mechanics BlindTiresias May 2016 #142

No - I'm from the leftynyc May 2016 #146

Not following your argument. BlindTiresias May 2016 #149

Then you're not understanding leftynyc May 2016 #153

Isn't that what Sanders is trying to do? BlindTiresias May 2016 #154

So your answer is to leftynyc May 2016 #157

I'm trying to explain the processes involved. BlindTiresias May 2016 #162

"What exactly has the establishment done to Bernie supporters? Thrown them out of the party?" Dragonfli May 2016 #266

It was Bernie's responsibility to educate his voters WhiteTara May 2016 #185

My argument is simply leftynyc May 2016 #272

Oh, so you are an arrogant TM99 May 2016 #249

I have zero leftynyc May 2016 #278

Yeah, I am not surprised. TM99 May 2016 #287

Bull, that's exactly what they're doing with Hillary notadmblnd May 2016 #277

Alas that is why they are using the same memes nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #105

Keeping cons out of positions of power is voting for something Ohioblue22 May 2016 #107

You mean like Charlie Christ? Scuba May 2016 #112

Is he a republicon? Ohioblue22 May 2016 #159

He was, until DWS recruited him to run for governor of Florida as a Democrat. Scuba May 2016 #173

Iirc he left the GOP he wasn't co-opted Ohioblue22 May 2016 #245

No, the GOP left him but DWS took him in and ran him as a Democrat. That's a betrayal ... Scuba May 2016 #246

I vote in all the elections, big and small artislife May 2016 #94

... artislife May 2016 #95

I have no idea how old you are leftynyc May 2016 #97

Ridiculous backwards logic Rilgin May 2016 #184

And here's the problem leftynyc May 2016 #219

Absolutely made up history. Rilgin May 2016 #248

His RECORD showed leftynyc May 2016 #271

What happenned to the the concept of evolution so dear to Hillary? Rilgin May 2016 #288

^^^This. artislife May 2016 #240

We are off our asses artislife May 2016 #239

Me too, all elections are important Duckhunter935 May 2016 #160

Me too. Patty lost me when she endorsed Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #284

And voted for the TPP. nt artislife May 2016 #285

It's because of the party's establishment connections that do not care about the Average bkkyosemite May 2016 #104

LOL leftynyc May 2016 #126

The DNC's establishment has done nothing for the Average American they care only about bkkyosemite May 2016 #212

Who exactly are 'the groups who stay home'? Marr May 2016 #122

18-29 year olds leftynyc May 2016 #128

Well, young people don't respond to fear tactics the way old people do. Marr May 2016 #132

What a bunch of crap leftynyc May 2016 #136

You're the one making excuses, not me. Marr May 2016 #140

And sitting on your asses leftynyc May 2016 #143

I think we have all seen what happens to people who defy the orthodoxy BlindTiresias May 2016 #147

What has happened? leftynyc May 2016 #161

Well, for a small example. BlindTiresias May 2016 #163

You know, I'm not one of these young people you seem to hate so much. Marr May 2016 #158

Sigh leftynyc May 2016 #165

It comes off as hate to me too BlindTiresias May 2016 #167

I save my hate for those leftynyc May 2016 #170

Nah, you are projecting something ugly nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #174

For the record, I'm a woman leftynyc May 2016 #176

What part of the party does not want them except to shut up nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #178

I'm sorry you think leftynyc May 2016 #213

Oh they may try nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #220

What the fuck do you care leftynyc May 2016 #222

You call voters names nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #224

That you care one whit leftynyc May 2016 #225

Actually I do not care what you specifically do nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #229

Nadin, check out this link, I think you will be among those that understand it. Dragonfli May 2016 #267

Thanks. So true nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #274

Its an expression BlindTiresias May 2016 #179

If they're the most active leftynyc May 2016 #215

Not necessarily true BlindTiresias May 2016 #250

I'm not complaining BlindTiresias May 2016 #182

Uh-huh. Marr May 2016 #169

Spare me the bullshit leftynyc May 2016 #172

As a matter of fact, they did more than you describe. Marr May 2016 #180

That's great. Most the people I see working elections WhiteTara May 2016 #188

That is became the youth are not doing this besides you nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #197

Shrug leftynyc May 2016 #216

Great. Marr May 2016 #237

I don't do the martyr routine leftynyc May 2016 #270

I'm 31 BlindTiresias May 2016 #166

I can imagine. Marr May 2016 #175

No they are basically correct BlindTiresias May 2016 #145

More crap excuses leftynyc May 2016 #148

Uh, people did BlindTiresias May 2016 #150

The laziness is in your line of reasoning. frylock May 2016 #200

There it is. -none May 2016 #210

I voted for my dem senator during the midterms trudyco May 2016 #294

Maybe it's because Andy823 May 2016 #116

This year your party is doing that and doing a great job at it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #181

Ah so inspiring blame the left for not showing up nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #83

I'm waiting for one leftynyc May 2016 #88

DWS did and has been posted a few times nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90

So you can't leftynyc May 2016 #91

It has been posted nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #92

Then you should have no problem leftynyc May 2016 #99

You can use the google I ain't playing whatever game you are playing nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #101

I can't find it leftynyc May 2016 #102

Your google search skills are your issue nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #103

I hope your candidate, Bernie Sanders, has a great showing today. zappaman May 2016 #198

Nadin doesn't endorse candidates, everybody knows this, she does critique certain tactics and idiocy Dragonfli May 2016 #268

You can't support your claim. bvar22 May 2016 #218

Uninspiring candidates breed contempt timmymoff May 2016 #253

False. I'm so fucking tired of this lie you conservadems like to trot out LondonReign2 May 2016 #289

Paleeze! You shit on Leftists for 30 years and expect them to vote for you? Peace Patriot May 2016 #306

Pathetic dodge. BlindTiresias May 2016 #131

Huh? Now we have to hunt down these losers libdem4life May 2016 #202

Again the answer is... puffy socks May 2016 #189

... Scuba May 2016 #190

The Dems DID fight for us! puffy socks May 2016 #193

Really? What did the 2009 Congress do for voting rights and election integrity? Scuba May 2016 #209

Oh I see puffy socks May 2016 #214

In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights. Scuba May 2016 #217

Nice attempt at pidgeon holing. puffy socks May 2016 #233

But it didn't pass, despite Dems having a super-majority in the Senate in 2009 with ... Scuba May 2016 #235

False. More conservadem lies LondonReign2 May 2016 #291

yeah right... puffy socks May 2016 #292

Your link does not make your lie true LondonReign2 May 2016 #298

Sorry puffy socks May 2016 #299

You continue to lie in the face of the data LondonReign2 May 2016 #300

That's why I pulled out the pew research puffy socks May 2016 #302

Nope LondonReign2 May 2016 #303

Here you go, honey... puffy socks May 2016 #304

Well pumpkin, you don't seem to understand data LondonReign2 May 2016 #305

. Dragonfli May 2016 #269

Exactly! Silver_Witch May 2016 #301

Lol, that is funny... northernsouthern May 2016 #251

They lose, over and over again, DWS and the others still keep their cushy jobs. leveymg May 2016 #47

Crony Establishment Capitalism cantbeserious May 2016 #52

^^^ This ^^^ senz May 2016 #117

I have considered alternative reasons they have kept DWS in power. None of them good. Enthusiast May 2016 #273

DWS didn't say what you said she said. You keep making stuff up. Renew Deal May 2016 #2

+1 Buzz Clik May 2016 #5

Stick your head in the sand berni_mccoy May 2016 #6

Tell the truth Renew Deal May 2016 #9

Prove me wrong berni_mccoy May 2016 #14

Prove your point Renew Deal May 2016 #19

I did. You have countered with nothing but empty statements that I'm wrong berni_mccoy May 2016 #22

No you didn't. You made up that quote. Renew Deal May 2016 #24

Her actual words are worse. Of course I paraphrased but for those interested berni_mccoy May 2016 #29

Close enough Renew Deal May 2016 #35

Not this Democrat. Why would either party not what to include and to attract independent voters ? CentralMass May 2016 #38

Yep she said as the leader of the DNC that if it were up to her berni_mccoy May 2016 #40

You just acknowledged she didn't say that and now you're saying it again? Renew Deal May 2016 #45

If it were up to her, she'd exclude people she needs and wants. Qutzupalotl May 2016 #223

From Primaries. nt WhiteTara May 2016 #186

Berni McCoy is not making it up, Renew... pacalo May 2016 #264

Logical Fallacy Dem2 May 2016 #81

Stick your head in the sand. stonecutter357 May 2016 #111

She said she didn't need independents picking the Democratic nominee Kelvin Mace May 2016 #57

The OP is mentally unhinged and a huge liar The Second Stone May 2016 #242

The "Democratic" candidate for the "Democrats" is losing by 300 delegates. Buzz Clik May 2016 #3

Deny the reality of the real problem at your own peril berni_mccoy May 2016 #8

Your concern is duly noted Renew Deal May 2016 #11

.. Buzz Clik May 2016 #12

Time to stop the hypotheticals that have no basis in reality. NCTraveler May 2016 #7

Reality is Hillary is the most unfavorable candidate in history berni_mccoy May 2016 #10

I'm glad you like her so much Renew Deal May 2016 #13

Nice deflection. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #15

Finally an admission you're wrong berni_mccoy May 2016 #18

I did no such thing. NCTraveler May 2016 #28

When your response is to say "DEFLECTION!!1!1" berni_mccoy May 2016 #30

You went full on deflection. NCTraveler May 2016 #32

I mentioned her unfavorability in my OP and I backed it up berni_mccoy May 2016 #41

Do the polls you love so much show her beating Trump? nt. NCTraveler May 2016 #46

You called her the most leftynyc May 2016 #84

That's not true either redstateblues May 2016 #64

Look at the argument, NCTraveler, though... it is about who can best defeat tRump, can you address JudyM May 2016 #75

I am sure you know it is expected that SBS unfavorables will plunge once anyone runs negative.... bettyellen May 2016 #183

That is not the issue... same as anyone, but his negatives are minuscule in relation to hers. JudyM May 2016 #187

What the entire electorate will see as SBS's negatives have not been put out there. The better bettyellen May 2016 #192

Most of her margin over him is, like it or not, as a practical matter, not going to help in the GE. JudyM May 2016 #194

She is winning the swing states. He is winning tiny empty red states- and that means nothing. bettyellen May 2016 #195

Don't worry...Clinton supporters say they have this coyote May 2016 #16

unfortuantly that's what it will take. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #58

Since we don't have a national election, what States will she lose? brooklynite May 2016 #17

I guess I'd say that anything that isn't in the "Solid D" column would be considered at some risk... thesquanderer May 2016 #309

Cook Political: the people that gave us "The Numbers Favor Hillary Clinton Over Trump" brooklynite May 2016 #311

Correct. So what's the issue? thesquanderer May 2016 #312

Quick! Get the smelling salts! NurseJackie May 2016 #20

How can anyone argue with that? She will be shredded yourpaljoey May 2016 #21

How about with the truth. The quote is made up. Renew Deal May 2016 #25

What were your hopes for posting this? Firebrand Gary May 2016 #23

But we're supposed to pick thup less popular second place guy. Renew Deal May 2016 #26

Bernie can win all those voting blocs with time and exposure. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #31

He's had both and it's not happening. Renew Deal May 2016 #36

Nice try. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #39

Bernie got less votes than Trump redstateblues May 2016 #65

So more people are coming out to vote for Republicans, specifically, Trump. frylock May 2016 #203

You don't think that Democrats would vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination? dana_b May 2016 #109

They are so blind they seem to have lost the ability to think. pdsimdars May 2016 #137

Bernie's skeletons. Such as? eom mikehiggins May 2016 #177

We revealed the degree to which Hillarians will sell their souls to defend the indefensible in DWS. Kip Humphrey May 2016 #228

What is the demographics of Trump voters again? sufrommich May 2016 #27

all true, Betty Karlson May 2016 #33

As far as Wasserman Schultz is concerned democrank May 2016 #34

There is a reason that independents don't have a party of their own Progressive dog May 2016 #42

Because DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #43

Please note the 100 electoral votes indicated as "leaning D" tabasco May 2016 #100

Lots of things are theoretically possible. That's why they establish odds and HRC is a 1-3 favorite. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #106

Odds six months out, like polls, cannot be accepted as totally reliable. thesquanderer May 2016 #310

Primary voting patterns do not reflect GE voting patterns auntpurl May 2016 #44

I'd dearly like to know what these sports of threads hope to acomplish? Tarc May 2016 #50

"Dumb Ass Debbie" is no stranger to losing elections for Democrats FreakinDJ May 2016 #53

More ranting. JoePhilly May 2016 #54

Hillary has a problem with Democrats. Skwmom May 2016 #55

No problem letting "independents" and Republicans... yallerdawg May 2016 #56

You don't speak for all independents. Stop playing already. IamMab May 2016 #59

We have prepared an offer for you: please read rock May 2016 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author RufusTFirefly May 2016 #72

Haha! Great analogy! Glad you were the one who made it. RufusTFirefly May 2016 #73

Yep rock May 2016 #74

Corleone is certainly more corrupt. JimDandy May 2016 #121

It doesn't rock May 2016 #155

Isn't is amazing? They're getting more honest by the day. n/t Hydra May 2016 #254

Thanks for confirming the ugliness we've long suspected. senz May 2016 #205

Whne I called myself ugly, I didn't think that any body needed confirmation rock May 2016 #207

It's clear Sanders doesn't have the enthusiasm of Obama. NCTraveler May 2016 #61

Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders Gothmog May 2016 #62

Dana Milbank: blah blah blah blah blah ... Derp! ... blah blah blah... fart. ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #265

They tell us constantly that they don't need Bettie May 2016 #68

To quote Upton Sinclair Jester Messiah May 2016 #76

Love me some Upton EndElectoral May 2016 #118

You seem to have a hard time with the concept Sanders has NEVER been vetted KittyWampus May 2016 #77

Being the accommodating sort of fellow I am... 99Forever May 2016 #78

Can you link me to the quote leftynyc May 2016 #85

Here's your goddamn link -- senz May 2016 #120

Just as I suspected leftynyc May 2016 #123

Independents are not Republicans. senz May 2016 #125

So what? leftynyc May 2016 #129

Explain your reasoning. senz May 2016 #134

I'm not sure what you're asking leftynyc May 2016 #141

Hm. Something's wrong with the system. senz May 2016 #164

Ah - I see one of the problems right here leftynyc May 2016 #168

There's a difference -- in both your scenarios. senz May 2016 #191

What's my motivation to participate in a GE that I had no voice in? frylock May 2016 #204

I would think leftynyc May 2016 #221

At the end of teh day, you have to convince DEMOCRATS that you're the best candidate. Adrahil May 2016 #82

The Party elite were "ready for Hillary" long before she announced her candidacy. senz May 2016 #171

they ignore us, they don't want us to vote in the primaries dana_b May 2016 #108

I thought it was a very liberating comment. I don't know about anyone else but it's a package deal Autumn May 2016 #110

Lifelong Democrat here. They have sold out the people senz May 2016 #124

Word up. frylock May 2016 #206

Reasonable "Independents" will rally behind Hillary. The "HillaryHaters" will not. We don't care ... NurseJackie May 2016 #114

They are completely in denial EndElectoral May 2016 #119

"We don't need the independents" Um yeah... Good luck with THAT. leeroysphitz May 2016 #127

Most of these new voters behind Bernie wouldn't show up in Nov anyway tonyt53 May 2016 #130

Lots of us "Bernie-ites" are over 50 senz May 2016 #211

Classic primary behavior. HassleCat May 2016 #133

Obama lost the independent vote in 2012. Garrett78 May 2016 #144

Where are the facts coming from to back up these claimes? apnu May 2016 #151

In the General Election, with Clinton v. Trump, I trust independents to look at their choices Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #152

Let's spell it out for the anti-democrats The Second Stone May 2016 #156

What we have now is not democracy. senz May 2016 #201

The majority of the Democratic Party rank and file are quite happy The Second Stone May 2016 #231

You know perfectly well that by "elites" I mean elites, not rank and file. senz May 2016 #234

Your reply is divorced from reality and your original post The Second Stone May 2016 #241

Bernie Sanders' socialism is pure FDR senz May 2016 #243

Pure in the sense that some of his followers The Second Stone May 2016 #244

I know a few Repubs that will not be voting for Donald or anyone. I think there are Pisces May 2016 #196

You might want to check your sources on that. Trump has done well with evangelicals. BillZBubb May 2016 #279

hmm ContinentalOp May 2016 #199

Excellent analysis! Ferd Berfel May 2016 #208

Let's spell it out for Bernie fans: HRC has won 12.2 miln votes, Trump: 10.1 miln, Bernie: 9.1 miln Bill USA May 2016 #226

who needs independents smiley May 2016 #227

Bernie couldn't even win the Democratic votes doc03 May 2016 #230

When you have the apparatchiks known as superdelegates, the vote suppression, etc you go crazy. n/t bobthedrummer May 2016 #232

Why are we assuming all "independents" are left-leaning? Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #236

Ok but what about "what da fuck are you" people? MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #238

She will be just fine Demsrule86 May 2016 #247

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #252

"This is why comments like DWS "We don't need the independents" comment so damn stupid. " malokvale77 May 2016 #255

That's not accurate. Even Obama didn't need to win the independent vote in 2012. BzaDem May 2016 #258

Lol. Obama won independents in 2008 by wide margin berni_mccoy May 2016 #259

What evidence do you have that she will lose independents by double digits? BzaDem May 2016 #261

In case you haven't noticed berni_mccoy May 2016 #262

I'm not sure how you get from "primary turnout gap" to "need to win independents by double digits" BzaDem May 2016 #263

In case you haven't noticed, historically primary turnout is not a predictor of general election onenote May 2016 #308

This is the primary. Sparkly May 2016 #275

You do realize there's no such thing as Hillary Democrats. underthematrix May 2016 #276

Not so. Of course there are Hillary Democrats. BillZBubb May 2016 #280

Really there are not Hillary Democrats underthematrix May 2016 #281

The people who are truly serious on those issues are not Hillary Democrats. BillZBubb May 2016 #282

It's called compromise. Grown-ups do that. Toddlers underthematrix May 2016 #283

Cheap shot, but nice try. Like I said Hillary bots make excuses. BillZBubb May 2016 #286

unfortunately, they are unable to process that information. a sad day for democracy. pdsimdars May 2016 #290

minority voters are way more important than indies Demsrule86 May 2016 #293

Minority voters don't dislike Bernie, wtf! B Calm May 2016 #295

!. Demsrule86 May 2016 #296

WTF making up shit as you go. B Calm May 2016 #297

Guess who else has an unprecedented unfavorable rating among indpendents: Trump onenote May 2016 #307