2016 Postmortem

forjusticethunders

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66. Well, the way to frame the discussion is

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:26 PM

Apr 2016

"What are you getting with your taxes?"

Take the F-35 program (the one even Sanders lobbied to get in his state). That program alone could have covered free college for everyone for a couple decades. There is lots of money being sunk into crappy programs that Republicans and 1%ers love. I would have framed it as "Hey would you rather pay 30-35% of your income to buy jets that can't fly, subsidies for corporations, and tax cuts for rich people, or pay 40-45% of your income to get good schools, nearly free healthcare, no worries about educating your kids, and a safety net for if things go wrong for you?"

One big missed opportunity was not counting the "FREE STUFF" meme with a meme showing all the free stuff conservatives like.

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Is there really a "movement" or is this all about Bernie? [View all] salinsky Apr 2016 OP

Bernie's ego and Tad and Jeff's wallet. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #1

Bernie has the smallest ego of any politician I have ever seen or heard of. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #7

His "we'll see" comment belies that small ego claim uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29

DDS+WDS frylock Apr 2016 #56

It's not a movement. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #2

Gee, maybe they didn't know him? Or maybe they did, and they did not feel he represented things merrily Apr 2016 #13

+1, they don't even support the ones that are on their side 100% !!! It's like they're just in it uponit7771 Apr 2016 #32

It was all about Nader, Then Dennis Kucinich, Then it was all about Howard Dean... onehandle Apr 2016 #3

Most of those people are now currently under the bus. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #5

Additionally, if you think that the 'Bernie Sanders Movement' is a thing... onehandle Apr 2016 #9

I wrote an op about the Clinton/Kucinich problem progressives experience but deleted it. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #17

Cult of personality politics. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #4

I guess ... salinsky Apr 2016 #11

Absolutely right ... KPN Apr 2016 #24

This is a problem on both sides tymorial Apr 2016 #41

#I'mWithHER frylock Apr 2016 #61

I'd say he's now just savalez Apr 2016 #6

DU's Hillary's supporters made it all about Bernie and only Bernie. merrily Apr 2016 #8

That's exactly what I've observed, merrily. polly7 Apr 2016 #12

Every time someone nyah nyahed me about his losing a primary, I just posted something merrily Apr 2016 #23

Those were both great threads. polly7 Apr 2016 #39

Thanks so much for a great post, polly7! merrily Apr 2016 #43

...... polly7 Apr 2016 #44

Thanks for those posts merrily LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #78

My pleasure. merrily Apr 2016 #80

Well said. KPN Apr 2016 #22

Sanders "we'll see" comment about supporting down ballot dems made it about Bernie uponit7771 Apr 2016 #33

Judging by the votes he's not getting and the delegates he's not amassing, stopbush Apr 2016 #10

Riiiight Because a movement always starts with a establishment support and a majority. smh merrily Apr 2016 #31

So Sanders ran as an independent? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #35

Even if the movement is good, Bernie isn't the messenger. stopbush Apr 2016 #51

Well, the way to frame the discussion is forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #66

Excellent OP. The hard work must be done at the grass roots first. Not with a 74 year old. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #14

You have the Party Machine astroturf and a 69 year-old candidate. frylock Apr 2016 #63

You would probably have to listen to his speeches... Orsino Apr 2016 #15

Sanders "we'll see" comment about supporting down ballot dems tells people more than his website uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37

We will indeed see. Orsino Apr 2016 #42

That's the point, no need to go to a tank fight with a base ball bat even if you don't like tanks uponit7771 Apr 2016 #47

There's a movement gollygee Apr 2016 #16

Well stated! n/t Blaukraut Apr 2016 #19

Very level headed post ... salinsky Apr 2016 #70

Actually, there is a movement or, more accurately, several movements. MineralMan Apr 2016 #18

Good post ... enjoyed reading it ... thanks! nt salinsky Apr 2016 #21

This should be its own thread, MM n/t Blaukraut Apr 2016 #25

Done. Link: MineralMan Apr 2016 #46

Very good post. Thanks, MM. Hortensis Apr 2016 #53

Legitimate questions. KPN Apr 2016 #20

Thank heaven Occupy disappeared without a trace! merrily Apr 2016 #28

Why do you laugh/scoff at Occupy? KPN Apr 2016 #36

Um, I am not the one who scoffed at Occupy. YOUR post said merrily Apr 2016 #40

Haha. Good to know. So two misunderstandings here ... KPN Apr 2016 #59

Bernie is the messenger Kokonoe Apr 2016 #26

Do you really want an answer? LWolf Apr 2016 #27

Good post. 840high Apr 2016 #67

Thanks for the substantive response ... salinsky Apr 2016 #69

The Down Ballot Dems aren't "pure" enough for Senator "we'll see" Sanders so why support most of em? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #30

This is why I couldn't get behind his candidacy ... salinsky Apr 2016 #71

I give Bernie credit for being a leader...and not an ego Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #34

The true test of Bernie's movement will be redstateblues Apr 2016 #38

you could ask the same of Clinton - is it really all about her? DebDoo Apr 2016 #45

She raises money for down ballot Dems-Bernie? Hardly redstateblues Apr 2016 #48

Because all Hillary can contribute is money? How about putting your mouth where your money is? DebDoo Apr 2016 #50

She washes money through down-ticket Dems. frylock Apr 2016 #64

A lot of energy... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #49

I sure hope it is a movement. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #52

There room for pathos and action. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #54

Considering SheenaR Apr 2016 #55

#I'mWithHER frylock Apr 2016 #57

He's become the focal point of a lot of existing "movements" -- He did not arise from a vacuum. Armstead Apr 2016 #58

This is certainly true .... salinsky Apr 2016 #72

Clinton's 'me' versus Sanders' 'us' frylock Apr 2016 #60

There's bowel movement in this OP whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #62

The movement was already here. And, it's not going away. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #65

Yep. 840high Apr 2016 #68

Bernie did not launch Occupy Wall Street. Bernie did not launch Draft Warren. ieoeja Apr 2016 #73

No, I haven't ... nt salinsky Apr 2016 #77

Yeah, it's a "movement" all right. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #74

Sounds like.... 99Forever Apr 2016 #75

It's about us not wanting to be watered-down Republicans. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #76

"Simple" is correct .... nt salinsky Apr 2016 #79

It was never about Bernie. It's about the truth, and Bernie happens to be one of the main ... Scuba Apr 2016 #81

first a revolution, then a movement, soon to be an asterisk DrDan Apr 2016 #82