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forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
40. "Strategy"
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

Out of many reasons I ended up voting Hillary, that one is part of it. The campaign itself is in many ways a job interview for the presidency, and Bernie bombed it, over and over and over and over again. It's about hiring the right people (not perennial loser Devine and Reddit brogressive Jeff Weaver), formulating a strategy based on real data, communicating with voters on all levels and listening to their needs and concerns. Making everything focused on rallies and online excitement was a LOSING STRATEGY, one because rallies = / = votes, and two, rallies like that tend to create a false impression of where your campaign is at, and leads to thinking like "I'm losing because the process is rigged", not "I'm losing because I'm doing something wrong".

Of course, Bernie had some real, fundamental issues beyond just his campaign (ideological purity and selfishness, no real connections with POC from his time in Congress outside a few instances like the Florida emergency meeting, poor communicator on a personal level) but he could have overcome them, but he didn't, if anything it got worse. Bernie needed to tie Latinos at worst nationally if not outright win (for example he did well in the Mountain West among Latinos, but Texas and New York...ughhhhhhhh) and he needed to get AT LEAST 35-40% of the black vote (which I think was feasible for him based on polling if he wasn't so damn tone deaf on our issues so often especially since Hillary honestly wasn't doing much better, but she's built up so much political capital with African Americans because the Clintons were the light at the end of the tunnel after the Reagan/Bush years that it didn't sink her the same way it would have sunk another candidate, honestly I should write an OP wrt Bernie and the black vote).

Anyway, since Bernie is losing the primary essentially because he's losing black people 80-20 nationally, that was a failure in strategy. Yes he needed the early caucuses for momentum, but he was going to face a bloodbath on Super Tuesday and he needed to do as much damage control as possible, and he didn't.

Strategy also goes into preparedness. It's really amazing how he walked into that NYDN interview and didn't sound prepared. Yes it wasn't AS bad as it was portrayed, but in this day and age, you need to be detail oriented and concrete; that approach might win a GOP primary but not a Dem primary. A lot of us, myself included, have kind of bought into the whole "If Canada can do it, why can't we", and while we *can* do it, there needs to be a clear path, consideration of the political environment, sure tearing it down and starting over might be bette in the long run, but it's also dangerous and disruptive to real people and real lives, and that lack of consideration for that disruption seems to always bedevil leftist movements.

The nomination was there for a progressive challenger, but Bernie screwed it up, and what's worse, the "movement" is defensive and childish and refusing to accept that fact, which will make future progressive challenges more difficult.

What Conversation Could Have Stopped This: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #1
I think that independent voters in NY probably MineralMan Apr 2016 #2
Her supporters won't discuss it, they dimiss it as you do right here and now. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #3
There are a number of things I wish Hillary Clinton had not done or said. MineralMan Apr 2016 #4
And there you dismiss the issue again, attack me for 'not knowing you' but you can't manage Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #7
Again, this thread is not about me. It is about MineralMan Apr 2016 #13
The Bernie campaign's failed NY strategy should get a long look. oasis Apr 2016 #31
A very long look Justice Apr 2016 #35
It was a mis-speak and she apologized for it later. randome Apr 2016 #29
As we can see by the results ... the discussion the Sanders camp needed was more critical to his ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #6
Tried to say something nice. Right. And there you are, dismissing, excusing and denying. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #8
I did discuss it. You just aren't listening. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #11
Even the die-hard Sanders supporters aren't mentioning it much. randome Apr 2016 #30
Still not acknowledging Sanders' voting for the homophobic marriage resolution? KittyWampus Apr 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #14
This was on the news; this is on YouTube brooklynite Apr 2016 #33
Maryland. How is this for getting good voting information to your supporters and all voters? Jitter65 Apr 2016 #5
Most states, if not all, have such a web page or site. MineralMan Apr 2016 #12
Back in Oct hill2016 Apr 2016 #16
Both of those things may well be true. MineralMan Apr 2016 #19
Here's what it takes to run a voter registration campaign brooklynite Apr 2016 #34
Definitely agree with your point but can you admit it's a bit underhanded to have the first DNC... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #9
When the debate occurred isn't really relevant. MineralMan Apr 2016 #15
It is very relevant and you know it. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #18
No, I'm not stupid. I'm analyzing something after the fact. MineralMan Apr 2016 #22
The Sanders camapign had shortcomings but they got way further than anyone ever expected. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #27
Registration deadlines to vote in a primary are NY law, not set by Democratic Party. Justice Apr 2016 #37
Straw Argument. Delaying the debates was coordinated to Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #38
Mostly true I think! They did sent out mailers to one non mainstream group in NY way early Lucinda Apr 2016 #17
Probably the Working Family Party. MineralMan Apr 2016 #23
That sounds right! I think that might have been the one I was thinking of...and yep Lucinda Apr 2016 #26
It should have. I didn't, probably for a couple reasons. morningfog Apr 2016 #20
Those and other reasons. MineralMan Apr 2016 #24
Two points. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #21
Yes. Exactly. MineralMan Apr 2016 #25
No, that excuse doesn't fly. Tad Devine has worked on FIVE presidential campaigns so far, and he's IamMab Apr 2016 #28
So? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #32
Bernie Sanders was never a fringe candidate Samantha Apr 2016 #42
I agree Sam, I should have said "regarded as" by the media... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #44
Ok, it is a good thing you straightened me out on that! Samantha Apr 2016 #45
Ignoring the fact that he had a press black out and did not have the name recognition. Skwmom Apr 2016 #36
No. I'm not ignoring that at all. MineralMan Apr 2016 #39
"Strategy" forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #40
Anecdotal refutation Jim Lane Apr 2016 #41
It's not over yet Aerows Apr 2016 #43
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