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paulthompson

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55. You're talking very long term
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:29 AM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't be surprised if in a hundred years, we'll be living in a "Star Trek" world where there basically is no money and personal possessions aren't very important. Think of the "replicator" in "Star Trek" that can create anything you want at any time. 3D printers are very early versions of the same idea, and the technological advances in decades to come (if our civilization lasts that long) are pretty much beyond our comprehension. Think about how mind blowing what we have today would have been to people 100 years ago.

The famous physicist Michio Kaku has written some interesting books on the future after consulting with the best scientists on the cutting edge of many different fields, and he's basically said that if we make it another 100 years, we'll seem more like gods than humans, because technology will give us so much control over our surroundings.

The problem is getting from here to there. We could easily blow it and go in an entirely wrong direction. Just look at countries like North Korea that are moving full speed towards Orwellian dystopia. But even if we are headed in the right direction, the transition to a utopian future is going to take many decades, and there could be a lot of economic turmoil along the way.

So talk about "revolution" vs. "money" is misguided. Right now, people still need money to survive and thrive. Yes, eventually we'll move to a world without work, but not yet, not tomorrow. The technology and society isn't anywhere near close to being ready for that. The important thing is to be heading in the right direction by implementing wise and far-sighted government policies.

HOLY TOLEDO! If ever I would agree to a literacy test for voters, it would be this... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #1
Thanks paulthompson Mar 2016 #6
Anyone can guess what the future's going to look like a decade or two from now. randome Mar 2016 #17
Did you actually read the essay? paulthompson Mar 2016 #20
You don't think the IT industry has exploded in the past 2 decades? randome Mar 2016 #36
Not as many as you might thing, especially compared to the number lost Baobab Apr 2016 #66
Services liberalisation with its cross border data flows will lead to job losses in deveoped countri Baobab Apr 2016 #74
We do have good ideas what is coming because much of it is already here. We just dont know it. Baobab Apr 2016 #71
Thanks for this. I have only read part but plan to continue. I do have a question rhett o rick Mar 2016 #2
UBI paulthompson Mar 2016 #8
Buying and selling what? Not labor because it wouldnt be needed people only have so many possessions Baobab Apr 2016 #73
Well, they may decide that the poor people have no right to live. Baobab Apr 2016 #72
It's not that they want us to die, but we have resources that they think they are entitled to and rhett o rick Apr 2016 #76
It depends on how much money people spend. Baobab Apr 2016 #85
They've borrowed on our infrastructure, taking wealth from our retirement plans, taken our rhett o rick Apr 2016 #87
And you're expected to pay more and not complain. Baobab Apr 2016 #88
Thanks for this. immoderate Mar 2016 #3
Long before that jobs in developed countries will be liberalised Baobab Apr 2016 #86
I'm already a victim of this Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #4
Single payer health care may result in renewed hiring but ONLY single payer would Baobab Apr 2016 #67
Something ike that I would expect to change Baobab Apr 2016 #89
Great Read may I suggest Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #5
I could, but... paulthompson Mar 2016 #15
At least put it in good reads, so it will stick around. flying rabbit Apr 2016 #80
Very good read! Thanks for un-lurking. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #7
Thank you for this essay... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #9
You're welcome paulthompson Mar 2016 #10
Yes the timing was unfortunate... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #11
have you read about the ILWU's battle against containerization at the ports? amborin Mar 2016 #12
The past two decades have seen the largest reduction in global inequality in human history Recursion Mar 2016 #13
That's not true paulthompson Mar 2016 #14
Thanks. That smackdown has been a long time coming. Scuba Mar 2016 #49
what smackdown? Baobab Apr 2016 #75
And Bernie's plan to stop this is to.... Kang Colby Mar 2016 #16
That looks like a meme a Trump supporter would post. nt ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #21
I thought the meme was funny...but my comment was spot on. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #22
Because it is irrelevant. ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #24
He actually proposed a 6.2% increase for employer payroll taxes....#berniemath on display. N/t Kang Colby Mar 2016 #25
The 6.2% is for a health care for all plan. ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #26
A decrease is better than nothing...it gives time for workers to be re-trained. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #29
Not taxing 401k contributions is a good start. n/t Kang Colby Mar 2016 #30
So "Bernie doesn't understand basic economics"? 170 economists say you're wrong ... Scuba Mar 2016 #50
Shame on you, that's very dishonest. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #60
When you call Medicare and Social Security "free stuff for life" you're exposing yourself. Scuba Mar 2016 #61
We aren't talking about Medicare or Social Security are we? Both great programs that need protection Kang Colby Mar 2016 #62
Trade deals block all of Bernie's plans Baobab Apr 2016 #83
But she doesnt understand this, nobody does unless they have worked with it Baobab Apr 2016 #68
Payroll tax wont work when people have no income. Baobab Apr 2016 #69
Perhaps it would be funny to a 12-yr old TBF Mar 2016 #46
Maybe he is talking about this? Baobab Apr 2016 #84
Freepers is leaking. n/t Loudestlib Apr 2016 #79
Why do you feel that your response was appropriate? hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #37
Kang Colby does have a point paulthompson Mar 2016 #40
UBI is a system designed for current levels of unemployment Baobab Apr 2016 #70
Don't mention that employers would save by not providing healthcare to employees BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #58
That's a good point paulthompson Mar 2016 #59
K&R ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #18
I did try to discuss this but from another angle hill2016 Mar 2016 #19
Kudos paulthompson Mar 2016 #32
yes hill2016 Mar 2016 #33
Why not? paulthompson Mar 2016 #35
Great Article Paul Thompson. Thank you. sorechasm Mar 2016 #38
Thanks for your interest paulthompson Mar 2016 #39
Very thorough response. Thanks! sorechasm Mar 2016 #42
response paulthompson Mar 2016 #43
Also... paulthompson Mar 2016 #44
This is an excellent well thought out analysis. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #23
Yes. elleng Mar 2016 #27
Been saying this for years but NAFTA, NAFTA, NAFTA...started by Bush, signed by Clinton sooooooo Jitter65 Mar 2016 #41
Yep,. We've got to inject humanism into the economy or we're all sunk Armstead Mar 2016 #31
+5 appalachiablue Mar 2016 #64
America may be forced into growing up and facing things like this very quickly. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #34
This is so important - TBF Mar 2016 #45
Thank you! Bernie Sanders, Automation, and the Fate of the US, this is an excellent essay that ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #47
Wow, jello Mar 2016 #48
Manufacturing is more and more a capital and technology intensive enterprise, cheapdate Mar 2016 #51
Indeed paulthompson Mar 2016 #52
Coincidentally, I design control systems for automated manufacturing processes. cheapdate Mar 2016 #54
Agreed paulthompson Mar 2016 #57
How come the revolution aims to increase income but doesn't go further into ELIMINATING income? CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #53
You're talking very long term paulthompson Mar 2016 #55
K&R..... daleanime Mar 2016 #56
Pictures! paulthompson Mar 2016 #63
Read this article carefully and consider these changes greater implications for Baobab Apr 2016 #65
I have been reading about this for awhile, wendylaroux Apr 2016 #77
K&R nt flying rabbit Apr 2016 #78
K&R! dchill Apr 2016 #81
Robert McChesney and John Nichols: The Fight Against a Jobless Economy and a Citizenless Democracy cantbeserious Apr 2016 #82
anonymous BetsysGhost Jul 2016 #90
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