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Liberty Belle

(9,539 posts)
81. No, but with a couple of caveats.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

If the people ever voted for someone who is the antithesis of what democratic values are, I could see a role for the party to step in. Imagine, for instance, if Trump had run as a Democrat and won the primary.

Think it can't happen? In California in 1980, Tom Metzger, grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, won a Democratic Congressional Primary, and the Dem leaders all endorsed the Republican.

So if the only alternative in a presidential race was to have a racist, bigoted, Nazi-emulating hate monger become a Democratic nominee in a close race someday, I would look to the superdelegates to protect Democratic values of equality and compassion, and use their power wisely to block such a nominee.

In a situation like we presently have, however, where we simply have a choice between a very liberal progressive vs. an establishment moderate Democrat, the people's choice should prevail. There will always be shifts from left to center or vice versa, and those should be respected as the will of the people. The party should not force one candidate down the people's throats if the people are voting for change, within that range of values that our party stands for.

I could see a couple of other scenarios where the party leaders might need to step in and vote for a candidate who didn't win the popular vote. What if the leading candidate had a serious medical problem and couldn't formally withdraw--was in a coma, for instance? Or if the winning candidate was indicted or worse, convicted of a serious felony? (As in CA, where a legislator was convicted of gunrunning and conspiring with organized crime) Or if a serious scandal broke AFTER the primaries were over -- such as the scandal about John Edwards fathering a baby with his mistress? In all the examples in this paragraph, the superdelegates would have info that emerged only after voters cast their votes and could perhaps forestall a catastrophe by acting on that new information.

So yes, I can see a role for superdelegates, but I think it should be defined more narrowly to only allow them to ignore the popular vote if there are certain very specific conditions -- not just liking one candidates more than the other, or repaying someone who campaigned for them, or trying to stay in the good graces of party officials, as goes on so much in the super delegate process right now.

They won't have to. Hillary will have more than enough pledged delegates for the win. leftofcool Mar 2016 #1
You think Hillary will reach 2,383 pledged delegates? morningfog Mar 2016 #4
Which implies that the fix is in, in case Sanders does overtake her after all. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #6
There is no way for Sanders to overtake her. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #10
I think you misunderstand the word 'math'. Marr Mar 2016 #11
To take a mere 50% +1 pledged delegates, Sanders would have to get a blowout victory... MohRokTah Mar 2016 #14
He doesnt have a realistic path though technically he does have a path. MadBadger Mar 2016 #23
I understand the word 'math' and I understand the word 'data'... brooklynite Mar 2016 #26
But the fix is in in case he unexpectedly does? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #12
He won't. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #16
Still trying to deflect from the tacit admission that you guys are ready to fix the convention. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #17
There has been no such admission. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #22
See reply #1: "the superdelegates won't have to (overrule), because..." Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #39
I want the super delegates there. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #45
Thanks, but reply # 1 implied that "the unthinkable would happen" Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #50
Sanders pulling ahead of Hillary is not the "unthinkable" MohRokTah Mar 2016 #53
Sometimes I feel I might as well try to speak to a wall. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #60
I recommend a redial math course for you. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #63
This is not a matter of math, but of semantics! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #64
No, it's all about numbers. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #69
Tone-deaf and / or deliberately obtuse. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #71
Thank you for admitting your shortcomings. eom MohRokTah Mar 2016 #73
wow. All I can say is: that response was worthy of you. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #75
I think we're wasting our time. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #74
Know what: you do the laughing, I'll knock my head on the desk. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #77
"redial" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #68
Autocorrect on iPads sucks. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #72
Apologies. I was taking after your colleague, below. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #76
Why would anyone think we have the influence to put the fix in on anything? Rose Siding Mar 2016 #42
What is tacid? nt MADem Mar 2016 #24
silent, unspoken Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #40
OH--you mean tacit!!! MADem Mar 2016 #49
Oh, bugger! Typing error. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #52
LOL @ "fic!" nt MADem Mar 2016 #62
"impossible" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #25
Yes, impossible. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #28
Then why do her supporters keep punching down? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #46
*snicker* You struggle with math, don't you? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #48
Your numbers are incorrect. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #61
Nope. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #65
Super Delegates count when calculating total needed to nominate MohRokTah Mar 2016 #67
This is hilarious. You're still completely missing the point. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #70
Poll needs more definition. Is "voters" represented by pledged delegates morningfog Mar 2016 #2
Agreed on your last two points. Kittycat Mar 2016 #5
And if we have a lopsided south for Clinton and lopsided west for Sanders Recursion Mar 2016 #35
Yep, with the supers making the decision. morningfog Mar 2016 #44
And if they're irrelevant, that itself is a problem Recursion Mar 2016 #57
Agreed. morningfog Mar 2016 #58
As with 2008, the superdelegates will switch and support the winner. nt Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #3
Super delegates did not switch until the nomination had already been secured in 2008. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #9
I think that if Sanders should, miraculously, win enough delegates to win outright, Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #13
"Win outright" means 2382 delegates. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #33
That was why I included the world "Miraculous." Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #36
I just saw that he only needs 69% not 74% dlwickham Mar 2016 #56
Super Delegates are there to guarantee no demagogues MohRokTah Mar 2016 #7
Super delegates are there to give the party's establishment extra influence. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #15
You are wrong. eom MohRokTah Mar 2016 #19
I voted no, but with exceptions... OhioBlue Mar 2016 #8
I'll go you one further - they shouldn't exist. Maru Kitteh Mar 2016 #18
No...with one (unlikely) caveat. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #20
The FBI doesn't indict people. It's an investigative agency. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #32
Obviously. Got anything besides pedantic nitpicking? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #51
"An internet conversation with a wise person is worth reading a thousand books." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #79
Yes. Civics 101. nt MADem Mar 2016 #59
You changed it to popular vote. Did the supers get is wrong in 2008? morningfog Mar 2016 #21
Obama won the popular vote, unless you count Florida/Michigan I believe MadBadger Mar 2016 #27
I remember. Those states lost their delegates but morningfog Mar 2016 #30
Obama never campaigned there once. MadBadger Mar 2016 #34
I prefer to follow the will of the voters. Also FL and MI were disputed. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #29
So if between popular and pledged, go popular. morningfog Mar 2016 #38
If there is a pop vote/pledged delegate split DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #47
Popular votes or delegate votes? morningfog Mar 2016 #54
Well now wait. The person with the highest popular vote count may not have more delegates Recursion Mar 2016 #31
They overruled the popular vote and gave us obama Scootaloo Mar 2016 #37
Michigan and Florida don't count MadBadger Mar 2016 #43
Similarly should Independents overrule Democrats? Persondem Mar 2016 #41
Hillary has won the popular vote she has the super delegates upaloopa Mar 2016 #55
They should vote for Bernie. BainsBane Mar 2016 #66
I changed my vote from "Pass" to "Yes" MohRokTah Mar 2016 #78
I would like to see the General election be by popular vote. ZombieHorde Mar 2016 #80
No, but with a couple of caveats. Liberty Belle Mar 2016 #81
No bigwillq Mar 2016 #82
The new Sanders strategy of appealing to super delegates is not going to work Gothmog Mar 2016 #83
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