2016 Postmortem

morningfog

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38. So if between popular and pledged, go popular.

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:52 PM

Mar 2016

Under your scheme the supers would ensure that the pledged delegate allocation, which candidates conduct the race under, is usurped to protect the popular vote.

Would you prefer a simple popular vote for the primary?

I have no problem with the delegate system, but the supers are irrelevant and in democratic.

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Should Super Delegates overrule the people (popular vote) ? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 OP

They won't have to. Hillary will have more than enough pledged delegates for the win. leftofcool Mar 2016 #1

You think Hillary will reach 2,383 pledged delegates? morningfog Mar 2016 #4

Which implies that the fix is in, in case Sanders does overtake her after all. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #6

There is no way for Sanders to overtake her. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #10

I think you misunderstand the word 'math'. Marr Mar 2016 #11

To take a mere 50% +1 pledged delegates, Sanders would have to get a blowout victory... MohRokTah Mar 2016 #14

He doesnt have a realistic path though technically he does have a path. MadBadger Mar 2016 #23

I understand the word 'math' and I understand the word 'data'... brooklynite Mar 2016 #26

But the fix is in in case he unexpectedly does? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #12

He won't. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #16

Still trying to deflect from the tacit admission that you guys are ready to fix the convention. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #17

There has been no such admission. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #22

See reply #1: "the superdelegates won't have to (overrule), because..." Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #39

I want the super delegates there. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #45

Thanks, but reply # 1 implied that "the unthinkable would happen" Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #50

Sanders pulling ahead of Hillary is not the "unthinkable" MohRokTah Mar 2016 #53

Sometimes I feel I might as well try to speak to a wall. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #60

I recommend a redial math course for you. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #63

This is not a matter of math, but of semantics! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #64

No, it's all about numbers. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #69

Tone-deaf and / or deliberately obtuse. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #71

Thank you for admitting your shortcomings. eom MohRokTah Mar 2016 #73

wow. All I can say is: that response was worthy of you. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #75

I think we're wasting our time. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #74

Know what: you do the laughing, I'll knock my head on the desk. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #77

"redial" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #68

Autocorrect on iPads sucks. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #72

Apologies. I was taking after your colleague, below. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #76

Why would anyone think we have the influence to put the fix in on anything? Rose Siding Mar 2016 #42

What is tacid? nt MADem Mar 2016 #24

silent, unspoken Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #40

OH--you mean tacit!!! MADem Mar 2016 #49

Oh, bugger! Typing error. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #52

LOL @ "fic!" nt MADem Mar 2016 #62

"impossible" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #25

Yes, impossible. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #28

Then why do her supporters keep punching down? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #46

*snicker* You struggle with math, don't you? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #48

Your numbers are incorrect. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #61

Nope. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #65

Super Delegates count when calculating total needed to nominate MohRokTah Mar 2016 #67

This is hilarious. You're still completely missing the point. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #70

Poll needs more definition. Is "voters" represented by pledged delegates morningfog Mar 2016 #2

Agreed on your last two points. Kittycat Mar 2016 #5

And if we have a lopsided south for Clinton and lopsided west for Sanders Recursion Mar 2016 #35

Yep, with the supers making the decision. morningfog Mar 2016 #44

And if they're irrelevant, that itself is a problem Recursion Mar 2016 #57

Agreed. morningfog Mar 2016 #58

As with 2008, the superdelegates will switch and support the winner. nt Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #3

Super delegates did not switch until the nomination had already been secured in 2008. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #9

I think that if Sanders should, miraculously, win enough delegates to win outright, Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #13

"Win outright" means 2382 delegates. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #33

That was why I included the world "Miraculous." Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #36

I just saw that he only needs 69% not 74% dlwickham Mar 2016 #56

Super Delegates are there to guarantee no demagogues MohRokTah Mar 2016 #7

Super delegates are there to give the party's establishment extra influence. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #15

You are wrong. eom MohRokTah Mar 2016 #19

I voted no, but with exceptions... OhioBlue Mar 2016 #8

I'll go you one further - they shouldn't exist. Maru Kitteh Mar 2016 #18

No...with one (unlikely) caveat. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #20

The FBI doesn't indict people. It's an investigative agency. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #32

Obviously. Got anything besides pedantic nitpicking? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #51

"An internet conversation with a wise person is worth reading a thousand books." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #79

Yes. Civics 101. nt MADem Mar 2016 #59

You changed it to popular vote. Did the supers get is wrong in 2008? morningfog Mar 2016 #21

Obama won the popular vote, unless you count Florida/Michigan I believe MadBadger Mar 2016 #27

I remember. Those states lost their delegates but morningfog Mar 2016 #30

Obama never campaigned there once. MadBadger Mar 2016 #34

I prefer to follow the will of the voters. Also FL and MI were disputed. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #29

So if between popular and pledged, go popular. morningfog Mar 2016 #38

If there is a pop vote/pledged delegate split DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #47

Popular votes or delegate votes? morningfog Mar 2016 #54

Well now wait. The person with the highest popular vote count may not have more delegates Recursion Mar 2016 #31

They overruled the popular vote and gave us obama Scootaloo Mar 2016 #37

Michigan and Florida don't count MadBadger Mar 2016 #43

Similarly should Independents overrule Democrats? Persondem Mar 2016 #41

Hillary has won the popular vote she has the super delegates upaloopa Mar 2016 #55

They should vote for Bernie. BainsBane Mar 2016 #66

I changed my vote from "Pass" to "Yes" MohRokTah Mar 2016 #78

I would like to see the General election be by popular vote. ZombieHorde Mar 2016 #80

No, but with a couple of caveats. Liberty Belle Mar 2016 #81

No bigwillq Mar 2016 #82

The new Sanders strategy of appealing to super delegates is not going to work Gothmog Mar 2016 #83