2016 Postmortem

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3. Thanks for this.

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:57 AM

Mar 2016

I have made a few posts about the coming of automation. It usually does not get much attention. People need to be aware. Most folks just say "well, train for a new job." They don't realize that eventually there will not be enough work to go around.

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Bernie Sanders, Automation, and the Fate of the US [View all] paulthompson Mar 2016 OP

HOLY TOLEDO! If ever I would agree to a literacy test for voters, it would be this... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #1

Thanks paulthompson Mar 2016 #6

Anyone can guess what the future's going to look like a decade or two from now. randome Mar 2016 #17

Did you actually read the essay? paulthompson Mar 2016 #20

You don't think the IT industry has exploded in the past 2 decades? randome Mar 2016 #36

Not as many as you might thing, especially compared to the number lost Baobab Apr 2016 #66

Services liberalisation with its cross border data flows will lead to job losses in deveoped countri Baobab Apr 2016 #74

We do have good ideas what is coming because much of it is already here. We just dont know it. Baobab Apr 2016 #71

Thanks for this. I have only read part but plan to continue. I do have a question rhett o rick Mar 2016 #2

UBI paulthompson Mar 2016 #8

Buying and selling what? Not labor because it wouldnt be needed people only have so many possessions Baobab Apr 2016 #73

Well, they may decide that the poor people have no right to live. Baobab Apr 2016 #72

It's not that they want us to die, but we have resources that they think they are entitled to and rhett o rick Apr 2016 #76

It depends on how much money people spend. Baobab Apr 2016 #85

They've borrowed on our infrastructure, taking wealth from our retirement plans, taken our rhett o rick Apr 2016 #87

And you're expected to pay more and not complain. Baobab Apr 2016 #88

Thanks for this. immoderate Mar 2016 #3

Long before that jobs in developed countries will be liberalised Baobab Apr 2016 #86

I'm already a victim of this Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #4

Single payer health care may result in renewed hiring but ONLY single payer would Baobab Apr 2016 #67

Something ike that I would expect to change Baobab Apr 2016 #89

Great Read may I suggest Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #5

I could, but... paulthompson Mar 2016 #15

At least put it in good reads, so it will stick around. flying rabbit Apr 2016 #80

Very good read! Thanks for un-lurking. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #7

Thank you for this essay... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #9

You're welcome paulthompson Mar 2016 #10

Yes the timing was unfortunate... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #11

have you read about the ILWU's battle against containerization at the ports? amborin Mar 2016 #12

The past two decades have seen the largest reduction in global inequality in human history Recursion Mar 2016 #13

That's not true paulthompson Mar 2016 #14

Thanks. That smackdown has been a long time coming. Scuba Mar 2016 #49

what smackdown? Baobab Apr 2016 #75

And Bernie's plan to stop this is to.... Kang Colby Mar 2016 #16

That looks like a meme a Trump supporter would post. nt ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #21

I thought the meme was funny...but my comment was spot on. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #22

Because it is irrelevant. ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #24

He actually proposed a 6.2% increase for employer payroll taxes....#berniemath on display. N/t Kang Colby Mar 2016 #25

The 6.2% is for a health care for all plan. ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #26

A decrease is better than nothing...it gives time for workers to be re-trained. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #29

Not taxing 401k contributions is a good start. n/t Kang Colby Mar 2016 #30

So "Bernie doesn't understand basic economics"? 170 economists say you're wrong ... Scuba Mar 2016 #50

Shame on you, that's very dishonest. Kang Colby Mar 2016 #60

When you call Medicare and Social Security "free stuff for life" you're exposing yourself. Scuba Mar 2016 #61

We aren't talking about Medicare or Social Security are we? Both great programs that need protection Kang Colby Mar 2016 #62

Trade deals block all of Bernie's plans Baobab Apr 2016 #83

But she doesnt understand this, nobody does unless they have worked with it Baobab Apr 2016 #68

Payroll tax wont work when people have no income. Baobab Apr 2016 #69

Perhaps it would be funny to a 12-yr old TBF Mar 2016 #46

Maybe he is talking about this? Baobab Apr 2016 #84

Freepers is leaking. n/t Loudestlib Apr 2016 #79

Why do you feel that your response was appropriate? hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #37

Kang Colby does have a point paulthompson Mar 2016 #40

UBI is a system designed for current levels of unemployment Baobab Apr 2016 #70

Don't mention that employers would save by not providing healthcare to employees BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #58

That's a good point paulthompson Mar 2016 #59

K&R ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #18

I did try to discuss this but from another angle hill2016 Mar 2016 #19

Kudos paulthompson Mar 2016 #32

yes hill2016 Mar 2016 #33

Why not? paulthompson Mar 2016 #35

Great Article Paul Thompson. Thank you. sorechasm Mar 2016 #38

Thanks for your interest paulthompson Mar 2016 #39

Very thorough response. Thanks! sorechasm Mar 2016 #42

response paulthompson Mar 2016 #43

Also... paulthompson Mar 2016 #44

This is an excellent well thought out analysis. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #23

Yes. elleng Mar 2016 #27

Been saying this for years but NAFTA, NAFTA, NAFTA...started by Bush, signed by Clinton sooooooo Jitter65 Mar 2016 #41

Yep,. We've got to inject humanism into the economy or we're all sunk Armstead Mar 2016 #31

+5 appalachiablue Mar 2016 #64

America may be forced into growing up and facing things like this very quickly. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #34

This is so important - TBF Mar 2016 #45

Thank you! Bernie Sanders, Automation, and the Fate of the US, this is an excellent essay that ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #47

Wow, jello Mar 2016 #48

Manufacturing is more and more a capital and technology intensive enterprise, cheapdate Mar 2016 #51

Indeed paulthompson Mar 2016 #52

Coincidentally, I design control systems for automated manufacturing processes. cheapdate Mar 2016 #54

Agreed paulthompson Mar 2016 #57

How come the revolution aims to increase income but doesn't go further into ELIMINATING income? CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #53

You're talking very long term paulthompson Mar 2016 #55

K&R..... daleanime Mar 2016 #56

Pictures! paulthompson Mar 2016 #63

Read this article carefully and consider these changes greater implications for Baobab Apr 2016 #65

I have been reading about this for awhile, wendylaroux Apr 2016 #77

K&R nt flying rabbit Apr 2016 #78

K&R! dchill Apr 2016 #81

Robert McChesney and John Nichols: The Fight Against a Jobless Economy and a Citizenless Democracy cantbeserious Apr 2016 #82

anonymous BetsysGhost Jul 2016 #90