2016 Postmortem

greymouse

(872 posts) Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:23 AM Feb 2016

NYTimes finally reports on Hillary's creating an ISIS haven in Libya [View all]

Removes a functioning central government of a state reaching out for detente with the West, and creates a civil war Isis haven that threatens Italy and other Mediterranean states. Destroys the lives of millions of middle class and rural Libyans. Sets womens' rights there back centuries. Nice job, Hill.

Then tries to weasel out:

"When asked to defend her record on Libya, Mrs. Clinton has taken a line quite the opposite of her aides’ previous insistence on her central role in the intervention. “At the end of the day, this was the president’s decision,” she told a House committee in October."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html

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NYTimes finally reports on Hillary's creating an ISIS haven in Libya [View all] greymouse Feb 2016 OP

When First We Practice To Deceive - What A Wicked Web We Weave cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1

Hillary Depaysement Feb 2016 #2

The article reads like a pro-Hillary propaganda piece. Wonder who was behind it? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #62

She is the one who talked the President and the world into attacking Libya 4139 Feb 2016 #3

She seemed to enjoy the decision at the time. CentralMass Feb 2016 #4

Blame it on Obama. He had the final say but you were the one doing the pushing. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #5

With the news article out, when will the public be asking Obama about his role in Libya? no text DhhD Feb 2016 #37

Hillary's entire platform is "continuing Obama's legacy." n/t FangedNoumenom Feb 2016 #71

What painful memories that brings back. Right here. mainer Feb 2016 #6

Gaddafi was a serious problem, but it's the strategy that was used to try to solve the JDPriestly Feb 2016 #63

Foreign policy experience is often touted as the strongest part of Hillary's resume' Martin Eden Feb 2016 #7

Her foreign policies stink to high heaven!!! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #8

This I will agree with you on. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #9

I refuse to vote for another war and that is what a vote for Hillary is. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #10

Based on my race & my fiance's religion & birthplace we have giant giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #14

You may think she will do something for you but I guarantee she won't. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #16

Ok, at this point it's about preventing negative repercussions giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #27

War, continued high rates of imprisonment and homelessness, greater income inequality and Live and Learn Feb 2016 #28

Let's not pretend that Sanders the guy that's been in politics giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #31

Poverty and income inequality disproportionately impact minorities leveymg Feb 2016 #46

So does seeing our people giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #79

Racist violence and repression against minorities are just strategic assets the wealthy invest leveymg Feb 2016 #116

He made no mistake in voting for no War in Iraq, where Saddam had no part of 9/11 and allowed DhhD Feb 2016 #48

Sanders put his butt on the line greymouse Feb 2016 #50

Those are the most polite police officers. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #85

Hillary has never fought power. There are billions being made by private prisons by ballooning GoneFishin Feb 2016 #56

So what's Sanders take on them? giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #83

He has been on the radio every week for years and years speaking openly and honestly to phone GoneFishin Feb 2016 #109

+1000. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #113

+10000 heaven05 Feb 2016 #43

Thank you giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #75

You know that's the first time I have seen that explanation of her love of war tularetom Feb 2016 #92

I was in the Army the good ol boys club giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #96

I was in it too but I was one of the good ol boys tularetom Feb 2016 #97

Ok, I'll work on it. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #99

Ah yes more Clinton dishonesty EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #11

She is Trump to her "believers" pdsimdars Feb 2016 #18

100% EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Depaysement Feb 2016 #33

The human mind is a strange thing. Broward Feb 2016 #29

I wish the average democratic voter was aware of just how bad she has been on foreign policy. Vattel Feb 2016 #12

Yes bcause rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #13

rjsquirrel greymouse Feb 2016 #53

Yes I'm just so naive rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #54

symbolic votes? greymouse Feb 2016 #55

How many SecStates have 3 bungles and a secretive coup under their belt? nt VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #78

Oh, that NATO air campaign Sanders voted for? BainsBane Feb 2016 #15

And the NATO vote has exactly what to do with Libya and Isis? jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #21

The vote in the US senate authorizing US involvement did. BainsBane Feb 2016 #23

I thought you were talking about Kosovo at first. My bad. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #32

the vote that doesn't exist you mean? EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #25

how nauseating heaven05 Feb 2016 #47

No-fly zone quickly morphed into a NATO bombing campaign and US covert regime change operations leveymg Feb 2016 #49

exactly and I think it caught many of us by surprise karynnj Feb 2016 #57

When the convoy was destroyed, its was presented at the time as a "Mission Accomplished" leveymg Feb 2016 #60

it was pretty shocking and happened so fast karynnj Feb 2016 #64

No-fly zone quickly morphed into a NATO bombing campaign and US covert regime change operations leveymg Feb 2016 #51

lol stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #17

It's the NY Rag. The political spin for Libya has begun.n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #19

I seem to remember most of DU being in favor woolldog Feb 2016 #22

I was certainly against it... but there were quite a few very vocal supporters of intervention here Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #36

I was against it too. I'd actually been IN Libya. mainer Feb 2016 #61

They're all for it until they meet someone who actually has skin in it. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #80

Hillary should have stood against the Arab Spring or sent the troops into Libya? n/t Onlooker Feb 2016 #24

Really ? Stand against the wishes of the people a half a world away ? Trust Buster Feb 2016 #45

"Something something American Exceptionalism." nt VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #81

Better late than never I guess. Vinca Feb 2016 #26

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Feb 2016 #30

In other words, why worry about the issues when your horse is ahead in the race??? jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #34

apparently, yes Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #38

I hear you. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #65

Hillary supporters laugh about Hilary's Militarism. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #67

like leader like follower greymouse Feb 2016 #74

yeah, I don't get it. I thought Dems are the good guys. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #114

we get it. Some of you have bet on a particular football team and you want it to win for a reason GoneFishin Feb 2016 #59

And it is clear that what she actually stands for noiretextatique Feb 2016 #66

"....this was the president's decision ..." sarge43 Feb 2016 #35

"Befehl ist befehl" didn't work at Nuremburg. nt VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #82

Taking responsibility. That's works, too. sarge43 Feb 2016 #87

Oh no no no that wasn't aimed at you-- I realized your sarcasm VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #90

10% never attend the briefings. sarge43 Feb 2016 #93

Sometimes I'd kill to be part of that ten percent. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #95

Commander's Call. Chance to catch up on some sleep. sarge43 Feb 2016 #110

Nah, they're still Commander's Calls. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #111

Good to know that grand old traditions are still honored sarge43 Feb 2016 #112

let's not forget the awful mess in Syria is due to a significant to her support of the CIA-led plan Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #39

Yeah right wing would say that treestar Feb 2016 #40

I thought this was common knowledge krawhitham Feb 2016 #41

Not in the mainstream media malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #68

Kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #42

President Obama is the Commander in Chief Trust Buster Feb 2016 #44

Is this a "Republican talking point"? brentspeak Feb 2016 #72

Are those your words ? If not, whose words are they ? Trust Buster Feb 2016 #73

Those words are from the NY Times malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #88

The following is also from the article. Would you have ignored your allies and watch the slaughter Trust Buster Feb 2016 #98

You need to read the whole article malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #100

So you decided to attack an article without bothering to read it? jeff47 Feb 2016 #89

I re-read my posts and confirmed that I DID NOT attack the veracity of the article proper. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #101

Ok, now re-read my post and this time pay attention to what it said. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #102

As I said, I did not challenge the article in any of my posts. I offered my opinion on Libya. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #103

My post is not that long. You really should not be having trouble reading it. jeff47 Feb 2016 #104

Re-read the OP title. It is a Right wing talking point that has nothing to do with the article. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #106

Actually, the article specifically details how Libya became an ISIS haven. jeff47 Feb 2016 #107

Most of the IS recruits have come from Libya. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #115

This woman just has no shame. pangaia Feb 2016 #52

K&R sorry, did not see that you had already posted. this is such an important issue; amborin Feb 2016 #58

She's mastered the art of CYA. When asked, point to somebody else to take the blame. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #69

When is the media going to start talking about Hillary creating a fascist haven in Honduras? FangedNoumenom Feb 2016 #70

Never. jeff47 Feb 2016 #91

*narco* fascist haven run by the same guys collected into a new camarilla by a murderous MisterP Feb 2016 #105

First she pressures the President to do it then says it was him! He did it! She is toxic. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #76

Threw Obama Under The Bus noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #77

Under the bus? malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #84

yes, and amborin Feb 2016 #86

Hillary Clinton touts her experience, yet malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #94

Ayup. AzDar Feb 2016 #108

there asuhornets Feb 2016 #117

kick again kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #118