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Recursion

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46. So, let's circle back:
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:50 AM
Feb 2016

I've posted that black incomes rose from 1971 onward, and provided data for that.

Black incomes have risen, and white incomes haven't, at least among men. Do you disagree?

What are you arguing about?

An interesting take. Links? ebayfool Feb 2016 #1
Most won't get it. I really know what you are saying...and so does Bernie. nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #184
You should regret it. Wilms Feb 2016 #2
Or it will drive firms to automate jobs Recursion Feb 2016 #4
A minimum income has worked in places. Wilms Feb 2016 #5
Yeah, GWB caused insane damage to the economy. Recursion Feb 2016 #48
Which is something that absolutely none of them.... daleanime Feb 2016 #12
Of course they are. Higher labor costs make it more attractive thought (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #47
So you'd like to lower the minimum wage? daleanime Feb 2016 #83
I'd like to remove the minimum wage and replace it with a minimum income Recursion Feb 2016 #84
So we two step over to... daleanime Feb 2016 #85
With a minimum income it doesn't matter. Recursion Feb 2016 #86
OK, let me wrap my sleep deprived brain around that.... daleanime Feb 2016 #87
Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about Recursion Feb 2016 #88
I think I could get behind that. Could make it a hell of a lot harder for discrimination to happen. Bubzer Feb 2016 #140
........ daleanime Feb 2016 #151
Unless the ptb intend to kill off most of earths population katsy Feb 2016 #153
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #64
... think Feb 2016 #3
Yep Recursion Feb 2016 #6
for that matter white males' wages and incomes have gone down, while everyone else's have gone up think Feb 2016 #9
and what is your point? azurnoir Feb 2016 #60
And you missed this one. On edit, make that, two. Wilms Feb 2016 #7
I didn't "miss" it. Look at how much black income rose under Bill Clinton Recursion Feb 2016 #8
Look at how much CEO pay escalated under Bill Clinton compared to their average workers of all races Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #11
Who cares? Recursion Feb 2016 #13
Obviously you don't, "look at the big picture" how much black wealth was lost due to Clinton's Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #16
Glass Steagel had little to do with unrestricted commodities!!! Its like blaming drunk driver deaths uponit7771 Feb 2016 #65
The diminishing of and eventual removal of Glass Steagall legalized drinking while driving. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #134
OK, that's pretty close... but the CFMA legalized being DRUNK while driving because it took off uponit7771 Feb 2016 #135
So does Bernie, he wants to break up the monopolized banks which have become even larger and thus Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #141
The "Big Banks" weren't involved, they stood by and said little but it wasn't BOA it was GS uponit7771 Feb 2016 #142
The diminishing and removal of Glass Steagall was a multiplier of the crisis which wiped out a Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #146
CFMA allowed for unlimited leveraging, they didn't need Steagal to do that.. CFMA had worse effect uponit7771 Feb 2016 #149
Actually you have to go back prior to Clinton JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #76
^^ That Recursion Feb 2016 #89
Thank you!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #97
!!!! Arazi Feb 2016 #124
+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Feb 2016 #129
What you posted has nothing to do with the positive sound effect of Glass Steagall Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #136
I agree on Glass Steagall JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #143
I don't disagree with what you posted but Bill Clinton's promotion of both Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #147
Amen and Amen!!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #138
Great post, JAG. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #145
Thanks JAG rbrnmw Feb 2016 #150
+lots great white snark Feb 2016 #160
you really need to write a book JI7 Feb 2016 #161
Thank you for this! Raine1967 Feb 2016 #180
Isn't it necessary to look at a particular demographic's income relative to other incomes LanternWaste Feb 2016 #144
and this EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #72
that affects the average over all treestar Feb 2016 #94
Let me ask. Wilms Feb 2016 #14
Can you comment on why noamnety Feb 2016 #101
Huh.? CentralMass Feb 2016 #10
Sorry, can you point me to where I said it had? Recursion Feb 2016 #15
The graphs from the article that I posted the link to don't show the CentralMass Feb 2016 #41
Yeah they do Recursion Feb 2016 #43
You are not showing white incomes. CentralMass Feb 2016 #49
Yeah, funny that: I'm talking about *BLACK* incomes Recursion Feb 2016 #50
Ya funny the title of your post says Black Incomes started to rise and White incomes fell CentralMass Feb 2016 #59
That is simply not true. Nearly everybody in the lower and middle classes is poorer today. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #17
Almost nobody is poorer today Recursion Feb 2016 #18
In buying power? Hardly. Perhpas you could point us to where you are getting your false stats. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #21
Yes, "In buying power" is what "real" means (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #24
So no to the stats then? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #25
Posted upthread, by people who claim to disagree with me (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #26
None of those prove your point at all. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #28
Sure they do. Recursion Feb 2016 #29
Just saying something is true doesn't make it true. The stats speak the truth. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #30
The key term is 'over the last 40 years'. As long as it's framed over 40 years he is correct think Feb 2016 #36
I addressed that part of it below. The fact is that he is trying to give false impressions of the Live and Learn Feb 2016 #38
Agree think Feb 2016 #39
You might want to go correct these guys nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #167
Why do this? Everyone's wages have stagnated. Nice can of gasoline you have there... myrna minx Feb 2016 #19
It is absolutely not true that "everyone's" wages and incomes have stagnated in the past 40 years Recursion Feb 2016 #20
Nah - it's clear what you're trying to do - I'm not going to play along. myrna minx Feb 2016 #23
Post links or else this is nothing more than speculation on your part. n/t Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #22
Oh, I get it now, you are in India. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #27
Yeah, I'm stationed here Recursion Feb 2016 #34
How did I attempt to malign it? It was a simple observation made and one that might explain your Live and Learn Feb 2016 #35
What fucking "assumptions" do you think I have picked up over the past 2 years? Recursion Feb 2016 #37
Simply what you stated, that minority and women's wages are increasing and white mens are decreasing Live and Learn Feb 2016 #40
Those aren't assumptions, those are facts, and I knew them before I went here Recursion Feb 2016 #42
Do you know what insinuation means? Because your post is guilty of insinuating falsehoods. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #44
So, let's circle back: Recursion Feb 2016 #46
You didn't provide data. Why not just go back to the 1920's, then? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #51
Because we're talking about the 1970s onward. Recursion Feb 2016 #52
Well then, your OP is simply silly and irrelevant to anything in GDP. How does this reflect on the Live and Learn Feb 2016 #54
The past ten years are not reflective of your overall assessment think Feb 2016 #58
Why? Recursion Feb 2016 #70
Wages & income equality have fallen for minorities in the past ten years. Do you dispute that? think Feb 2016 #81
This is the result of your going ad hominem rather that sticking to the issue treestar Feb 2016 #93
I love the modern DU. Catch a jury of the "right" people and you can say fuck you to anyone CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #100
Not buying it. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #31
Interesting how none of those things contradict my point Recursion Feb 2016 #33
Only a 25% gain in real wages, and still far behind men. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #53
Of course the 70's were better for minorities thanks to the 60's civil rights movements and Live and Learn Feb 2016 #32
one of the reasons for Clintons popularity among minorities JI7 Feb 2016 #45
Because Hillary had anything to do with it? Please! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #56
White people's incomes have not fallen. Black people have not closed the wage gap, it has increased. DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #55
White *males'* incomes have fallen Recursion Feb 2016 #57
who's running a campaign based on raising the income of WhiteMales® only? azurnoir Feb 2016 #63
The person who associates his campaign with someone who calls Obama "n-word-izzed"? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #66
this guy? azurnoir Feb 2016 #69
Yes, but I don't know about spelling out the word... I don't know if its against TOS uponit7771 Feb 2016 #139
well I intended no offense but I did want to put the entire comment in which he used the word azurnoir Feb 2016 #158
were you offended West's words that Obama had not done enough for the Black community? azurnoir Feb 2016 #163
Yes, its more unfair bashing of Obama to gen favor among the establishment and that's how Sanders uponit7771 Feb 2016 #164
saying that Obama hasn't done enough for the Black community will gain favor with the establishment? azurnoir Feb 2016 #166
Cause among the marginalized it sounds like West is full of crap, he's not saying that in front uponit7771 Feb 2016 #168
so you feel that Obama has done enough for the Black community and already had at the time of Wests azurnoir Feb 2016 #169
Yes, I sure do.. being president and being an upstanding moral person that has done more to break uponit7771 Feb 2016 #170
West was about institutionalized racism and despite all the words I've seen here about that azurnoir Feb 2016 #171
Strawman, ... your question was has Obama done enough I said sure... I don't see how uponit7771 Feb 2016 #174
my question concerned Wests comments which pertained to institutionalized racism azurnoir Feb 2016 #175
West called Obama "n-word-izzed" because he said Obama was afraid to talk about White Supremcy uponit7771 Feb 2016 #181
"N*****ized is absolutely the wrong word to use forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #176
YouGov black millenials are strong HRC uponit7771 Feb 2016 #182
I'll give you a hint: your avatar photo (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #67
aha so Bernie only wants to raise the incomes of WhiteMales® I see azurnoir Feb 2016 #68
Can I get some punctuation? Recursion Feb 2016 #74
I'm asking proof that Bernie wants to raise incomes for WhiteMales® only azurnoir Feb 2016 #78
The fact that everyone else's incomes are already rising (nt). Recursion Feb 2016 #79
so no links, just theory - got it azurnoir Feb 2016 #80
Yep...that's the only conclusion one can reach noiretextatique Feb 2016 #178
Bingo...this is all about that berniebros bs noiretextatique Feb 2016 #177
Yah, I knew he was a secret progressive white supremacist. delrem Feb 2016 #61
aha or azurnoir Feb 2016 #71
It's an interesting claim, though I wouldn't go that far Recursion Feb 2016 #73
. merrily Feb 2016 #62
Ignoring reality .... TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #75
Why would it be across the board? Recursion Feb 2016 #77
Because that's the follow on from $15 minimum wage. kristopher Feb 2016 #154
it about wealth inequality tk2kewl Feb 2016 #82
The past three decades have seen the largest decreases in global inequality in human history Recursion Feb 2016 #92
Not even a bad thing as that means more equality treestar Feb 2016 #90
Right? (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #91
You apparently ton't get correcting for inflation eridani Feb 2016 #95
Nope; they rose from 94 to 00, and still haven't hit the pre-94 lows (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #115
Ans what happend to rents and food? n/t eridani Feb 2016 #183
By definition they stayed the same since this is real (inflation-adjusted) income Recursion Feb 2016 #185
My expenses have gone up way faster than my income for 20 years n/t eridani Feb 2016 #186
Then you're unlike the majority of Americans in that respect (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #187
You should regret posting this swill Armstead Feb 2016 #96
A Decade of Flat Wages: The Key Barrier to Shared Prosperity and a Rising Middle Class Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #98
Thank, that's a good read. nt kristopher Feb 2016 #155
Is this why Bernie is strongest in 98% white states? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #99
Pretty much Recursion Feb 2016 #105
Sounds logical to me workinclasszero Feb 2016 #107
yes let's knock down EVERYONE rather than bring EVERYONE up Armstead Feb 2016 #114
No, you forgot something.... 98 percent white MALE states... Armstead Feb 2016 #113
I don't know of a 98% white male state in the US Recursion Feb 2016 #118
I am referring to how nonsensical the 98 percent white and male discontent are conflated Armstead Feb 2016 #120
You may be in the wrong thread? I certainly don't think "only white males" support Sanders Recursion Feb 2016 #122
No this.... Armstead Feb 2016 #123
There certainly are women and minorities who support Sanders Recursion Feb 2016 #125
Okay...but I do think you're misreading motives Armstead Feb 2016 #126
So to whittle that down JackInGreen Feb 2016 #102
That's a simplistic but pretty straightforward summary, yes (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #108
so tell us do you have to post this kind of stuff 7 more times to be fully vested? azurnoir Feb 2016 #109
Ummm sure Recursion Feb 2016 #112
well the thread seems pretty imagination based so I figured what the heck azurnoir Feb 2016 #119
Thanks JackInGreen Feb 2016 #110
I do think so, though I think most don't realize that is the actual outcome they are cheering for Recursion Feb 2016 #111
What would you do as an alternative JackInGreen Feb 2016 #130
A guaranteed minimum income Recursion Feb 2016 #131
Fair enough JackInGreen Feb 2016 #132
Steaming load AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #103
Seems to me that white males are overrepresented in the "1%". Their wages/salaries have skyrocketed. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #104
Mom working, dad working, kids working, still not making as much as one person did 30 years ago Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #106
women and minorities were off the official economy back then. Recursion Feb 2016 #121
That's why I'm a socialist. Capitalism forces workers to compete for survival. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #133
Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #127
Rocket science: The typical white household is almost 13 times richer than the typical black family. Octafish Feb 2016 #116
Yep. And yet it's still *white* families that feel the most insecure (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #117
bullshit. I am a woman. I still make less than a man. Give me my whole damn dollar. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #128
Maybe we should be lowering the retirement age Paulie Feb 2016 #137
I'd go for that workinclasszero Feb 2016 #148
this is the worst tread i have ever read. Csainvestor Feb 2016 #152
Not true at all. Latinos and African Americans azmom Feb 2016 #156
How do these wages compare to economic bubbles? sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #157
Except nobody is really making what they should be. cyberswede Feb 2016 #159
Good post! workinclasszero Feb 2016 #162
Nope, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #165
You're actually using right-wing talking points, ironically. forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #172
I wish I could recommend this post nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #173
I wonder if his stats include the compensation noiretextatique Feb 2016 #179
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