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Jarqui

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61. Here's part of Bernie's plan
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016
1: If nothing else is done to healthcare and rates and everything else remained the same and they just remove the insurance companies admin and their profits, they would save:
- somewhere between $120 - $280 billion saved of the $1 trillion private heath care dollars
(estimates vary from 15%-31% but 3% would be needed for Medicare admin)
Economists just love the ten year figure so over ten years that is:
$1.2 Trillion to $2.8 Trillion dollars saved.

2: Other things Bernie wants to do like:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
Progressive income tax rates.
- Revenue raised: $110 billion a year
Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
- Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.
Limit tax deductions for rich.

- Revenue raised: $15 billion per year.
The Responsible Estate Tax.
- Revenue raised: $21 billion per year.
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$ 2.38 Trillion in additional revenue over 10 years

3: Negotiate lower drug prices because we have the hammer.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/
$2.9 Trillion will be spent on drugs over the next 10 years if unchecked. Canada pays 60% less. Over the next decade, conservatively, they would save
between $230 billion (8%) and $541 billion (19%).

4: Doctors cost around 20% of healthcare or $5.8 Trillion over the next 10 years. US doctors are paid way more than any other country. Bernie says we can reduce doctors salaries by 10%. To be conservative, I'd suggest a range of 5%-10% through single payer negotiation. So over 10 years that would be $290 billion to $580 billion saved

Those four things add up to a range of $4.1 Trillion to $6.3 Trillion financial improvement in health care with single payer.

So here's the point: at this juncture, nothing else has changed. Everybody is paying their premiums and deductibles to the government instead of the insurance companies.

Bernie has $400-600 million/yr right there to improve healthcare. And he has other areas he can go for revenue or recovery or savings.

This bickering with the economists is smoke. You can argue about the percentages I used or the figures. But it doesn't change the overall story in a big way. Single payer saves Trillions of dollars. The argument is what to do with that money and how much will it cost.

No matter what those economists say, single payer is a no brainer.

They're nitpicking over the other numbers.
Apparently he thinks he is relevant Kalidurga Feb 2016 #1
Bernie could start this by gutting the F-35 boondoggle workinclasszero Feb 2016 #3
I really don't care where the cuts are so there. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #8
"Bloated Pentagon budget". Good lead off statement for Bernie in oasis Feb 2016 #7
He should go after our bloated military budget. It's disgusting how much America spends on war. think Feb 2016 #20
In this day and age, I think the Defense Dept and MIC qualify as "establishment" Arazi Feb 2016 #23
K&R. nt Chichiri Feb 2016 #2
great point. thanks ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #4
Krugman isn't the only economist, others disagree with him. JRLeft Feb 2016 #5
Name someone with Krugman's bona fides. oasis Feb 2016 #11
Robert Reich is comparable. JRLeft Feb 2016 #15
Nope. Krugman is head and shoulders above him. oasis Feb 2016 #64
Because you said so? frylock Feb 2016 #67
Yes I say so. Hillary has my back on that. oasis Feb 2016 #69
Ah frylock Feb 2016 #70
Yup, James Carville too. oasis Feb 2016 #71
Yeah, 1996 called. frylock Feb 2016 #74
Robert Reich. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #16
bona fides = number of books written? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #18
Joseph Stiglitz frylock Feb 2016 #37
And James K. Galbraith-- and 169 other economists Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #79
Yep. An impressive list. frylock Feb 2016 #80
Thomas Picketty frylock Feb 2016 #38
Picketty is the second coming of Karl Marx. No thanks. oasis Feb 2016 #65
That's what conservatives say about Obama. frylock Feb 2016 #66
Is that you, Rush Limbaugh? Kall Feb 2016 #78
Socialists stick together redstateblues Feb 2016 #81
Ooooooooh! Bern! frylock Feb 2016 #82
Very Serious People are very serious Fumesucker Feb 2016 #6
How can we get the LFPR to 1999 levels when we have an aging population? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #19
Chuckles has it figured out Fumesucker Feb 2016 #25
170 Economists Endorse Sanders's Plan (incl. Robert Reich) iwannaknow Feb 2016 #9
Thank you for posting this. SalviaBlue Feb 2016 #17
That's his plan to reform Wall Street, not his economic plan. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #75
First we scold women...n/t Wilms Feb 2016 #10
Does he know ejbr Feb 2016 #12
And Krugman needs to disassociate his lips from Clinton's butt. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #13
IKR. That could end up being an economic... dchill Feb 2016 #56
Damn, Krugman really wants that cabinet post...n/t tokenlib Feb 2016 #14
Fantasy Economics? dirtydickcheney Feb 2016 #21
What part does Krugman consider to be fantasy? gyroscope Feb 2016 #22
This: Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #24
Bernie's plan doesn't assume anything gyroscope Feb 2016 #26
Then how do his plans add up? mythology Feb 2016 #43
Independent economists came up with those numbers gyroscope Feb 2016 #44
Krugman is simply wrong. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #27
The difference between Jeb's mocked growth figures and Bernie's... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #28
Milton Friedman was a "Nobel prize winner in economics" too. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #29
Milton Friedman? Who mentioned him? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #31
You seem to think that the "Nobel prize in economics" indicates that the person is an expert... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #33
Sailed right over someone's head Depaysement Feb 2016 #53
+10000. Whoosh! eom Arazi Feb 2016 #62
Well, coming from the guy who warned us against the 2008 crash...oh wait. merrily Feb 2016 #30
Funny, Thomas Picketty, every bit as well regarded as Krugman, cali Feb 2016 #32
Another self avowed Socialist. What would you expect? redstateblues Feb 2016 #83
Krugman's trying to steal our unicorns. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #34
RIGHT FUCKING NOW! frylock Feb 2016 #35
Haha thought the same thing when I saw the title whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #48
Krugman has discredited himself by endorsing Hillary Clinton. Piketty doesn't consider Sanders' Todays_Illusion Feb 2016 #36
Krugman has endorsed no one. (n/t) OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #59
Officially. frylock Feb 2016 #68
Krugman is a Hillary shill. Broward Feb 2016 #39
What does this mean on Friedman's Economic projections Jarqui Feb 2016 #40
Friedman tweeted these or they were referenced by th article he tweeted Jarqui Feb 2016 #41
Paul Krugman should dissociate himself from the HRC campaign! sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #42
Ah yes, from the google machine nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #45
Often he does good work, but he is off here IMO mvd Feb 2016 #46
Says the guy who got his Not-A-Real-Nobel Prize for being as Free Trade shill. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #47
Krugman is such a chrony capitalist. ozone_man Feb 2016 #49
from Obama's site Jarqui Feb 2016 #50
Krugman has become Depaysement Feb 2016 #51
Paul Krugman needs to dissaociate himself from the Internet right fucking now berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #52
The tools are starting to rattle in the shed whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #54
People get Nobel Peace Prizes for achieving peace. They get Nobel Prizes in chemistry for chemistry cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #55
knr Lucinda Feb 2016 #57
The Establishment Says..... Billsmile Feb 2016 #58
Krugman criticizes Bernie's plans/ideas to the hilt, is mum on Hilary's Stargleamer Feb 2016 #60
Here's part of Bernie's plan Jarqui Feb 2016 #61
He is a Clinton hack AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #63
Good FAIR Article About What's Going On With Krugman & Co. Billsmile Feb 2016 #72
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #73
And of course, Sanders supporters respond not to the ideas, but by attacking Krugman. stevenleser Feb 2016 #76
Krugman Has Been Practicing Fantasy Economics for Years mckara Feb 2016 #77
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