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In reply to the discussion: Paul Krugman: Bernie Sanders needs to disassociate himself from fantasy economics right now [View all]Jarqui
(10,123 posts)61. Here's part of Bernie's plan
1: If nothing else is done to healthcare and rates and everything else remained the same and they just remove the insurance companies admin and their profits, they would save:
- somewhere between $120 - $280 billion saved of the $1 trillion private heath care dollars
(estimates vary from 15%-31% but 3% would be needed for Medicare admin)
Economists just love the ten year figure so over ten years that is:
$1.2 Trillion to $2.8 Trillion dollars saved.
2: Other things Bernie wants to do like:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
Progressive income tax rates.
- Revenue raised: $110 billion a year
Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
- Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.
Limit tax deductions for rich.
- Revenue raised: $15 billion per year.
The Responsible Estate Tax.
- Revenue raised: $21 billion per year.
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$ 2.38 Trillion in additional revenue over 10 years
3: Negotiate lower drug prices because we have the hammer.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/
$2.9 Trillion will be spent on drugs over the next 10 years if unchecked. Canada pays 60% less. Over the next decade, conservatively, they would save
between $230 billion (8%) and $541 billion (19%).
4: Doctors cost around 20% of healthcare or $5.8 Trillion over the next 10 years. US doctors are paid way more than any other country. Bernie says we can reduce doctors salaries by 10%. To be conservative, I'd suggest a range of 5%-10% through single payer negotiation. So over 10 years that would be $290 billion to $580 billion saved
Those four things add up to a range of $4.1 Trillion to $6.3 Trillion financial improvement in health care with single payer.
So here's the point: at this juncture, nothing else has changed. Everybody is paying their premiums and deductibles to the government instead of the insurance companies.
Bernie has $400-600 million/yr right there to improve healthcare. And he has other areas he can go for revenue or recovery or savings.
This bickering with the economists is smoke. You can argue about the percentages I used or the figures. But it doesn't change the overall story in a big way. Single payer saves Trillions of dollars. The argument is what to do with that money and how much will it cost.
No matter what those economists say, single payer is a no brainer.
They're nitpicking over the other numbers.
- somewhere between $120 - $280 billion saved of the $1 trillion private heath care dollars
(estimates vary from 15%-31% but 3% would be needed for Medicare admin)
Economists just love the ten year figure so over ten years that is:
$1.2 Trillion to $2.8 Trillion dollars saved.
2: Other things Bernie wants to do like:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
Progressive income tax rates.
- Revenue raised: $110 billion a year
Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
- Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.
Limit tax deductions for rich.
- Revenue raised: $15 billion per year.
The Responsible Estate Tax.
- Revenue raised: $21 billion per year.
===========================
$ 2.38 Trillion in additional revenue over 10 years
3: Negotiate lower drug prices because we have the hammer.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/
$2.9 Trillion will be spent on drugs over the next 10 years if unchecked. Canada pays 60% less. Over the next decade, conservatively, they would save
between $230 billion (8%) and $541 billion (19%).
4: Doctors cost around 20% of healthcare or $5.8 Trillion over the next 10 years. US doctors are paid way more than any other country. Bernie says we can reduce doctors salaries by 10%. To be conservative, I'd suggest a range of 5%-10% through single payer negotiation. So over 10 years that would be $290 billion to $580 billion saved
Those four things add up to a range of $4.1 Trillion to $6.3 Trillion financial improvement in health care with single payer.
So here's the point: at this juncture, nothing else has changed. Everybody is paying their premiums and deductibles to the government instead of the insurance companies.
Bernie has $400-600 million/yr right there to improve healthcare. And he has other areas he can go for revenue or recovery or savings.
This bickering with the economists is smoke. You can argue about the percentages I used or the figures. But it doesn't change the overall story in a big way. Single payer saves Trillions of dollars. The argument is what to do with that money and how much will it cost.
No matter what those economists say, single payer is a no brainer.
They're nitpicking over the other numbers.
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Paul Krugman: Bernie Sanders needs to disassociate himself from fantasy economics right now [View all]
Cali_Democrat
Feb 2016
OP
He should go after our bloated military budget. It's disgusting how much America spends on war.
think
Feb 2016
#20
You seem to think that the "Nobel prize in economics" indicates that the person is an expert...
PoliticAverse
Feb 2016
#33
Krugman has discredited himself by endorsing Hillary Clinton. Piketty doesn't consider Sanders'
Todays_Illusion
Feb 2016
#36
Says the guy who got his Not-A-Real-Nobel Prize for being as Free Trade shill.
Odin2005
Feb 2016
#47
Paul Krugman needs to dissaociate himself from the Internet right fucking now
berni_mccoy
Feb 2016
#52
People get Nobel Peace Prizes for achieving peace. They get Nobel Prizes in chemistry for chemistry
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2016
#55
And of course, Sanders supporters respond not to the ideas, but by attacking Krugman.
stevenleser
Feb 2016
#76