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karynnj

(59,522 posts)
21. In 2004, I wanted either Dean or Kerry -- then chose Kerry
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think that anyone could have done better than Kerry did in 2004. Remember, Bush was at about 60 percent in December 2003. No one else could have completely blown Bush away in that first foreign policy debate.

As to the war vote, I had followed both of them from 2002 on. Dean supported at least as aggressive a position on Saddam as Kerry before the vote. He did say he would have voted for Biden/Lugar, but he did not have to vote. Not to mention, where Clinton and Edwards were fully behind the invasion, Kerry in January was saying not to rush to war and was labeled anti-war until the IWR vote became a litmus test mid 2003 - largely by the Dean campaign. Kerry's history and his comments made me comfortable that he was absolutely not a hawk. Having protested in DC and NYC with three preteen and teen daughters, I would not have supported him in the primary if I would have thought that he was a hawk.

Though a strong moral argument against the war could have worked in the Primary, the country was definitely not ready for that. In fact, Kerry DID state a strong moral argument - though many missed it. Every day, in his standard speech he said that Bush mislead us into war by not exhausting the diplomacy as he promised - thus it was not a war of last resort. I know people who that greatly angered because it meant that the war the US was fighting was not a just war. (My Catholic mom, a wing voter, was absolutely furious because of that.) She voted for Obama in 2008. In his case, he was not giving a moral case, but said it was "a dumb war" and that it was a blunder.


I voted for Obama because he was going to get us change. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #1
I voted for Hillary but voted for Obama in the general. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #28
Obama--now Bernie Sanders. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #2
Bill Richardson wyldwolf Feb 2016 #3
ooops olddots Feb 2016 #4
Obama. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #5
Passed because my progression went like this Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #6
Edwards. zappaman Feb 2016 #7
Hey, at least you didnt change your username to "Edwardsrocks" or something Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #8
Kucinich. When he bowed out and hifiguy Feb 2016 #9
Same Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #14
I forgot for a moment -- -- Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2016 #10
Yeah I started out on Kooch too. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #13
My original '08 dream ticket was Wesley Clark/John Edwards rocktivity Feb 2016 #11
I'll admit I initially supported Mike__M Feb 2016 #12
John Kerry until he opted not to run karynnj Feb 2016 #16
I didnt include kerry because iirc he was never an actual declared candidate, just FWIW Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #17
Absolutely correct, but given that I spent hours in DU JK and still think he was the finest karynnj Feb 2016 #18
I actually went back and looked at my posts, in response to general allegations in GDP that Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #20
In 2004, I wanted either Dean or Kerry -- then chose Kerry karynnj Feb 2016 #21
I voted Edwards, but really first I liked Obama, then I was worried about him being too Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #19
Kucinich (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #22
Hillary is Consistent -- No one ever likes her. nt studyshare Feb 2016 #23
John Edwards ==> Obama John Poet Feb 2016 #24
I was an Obama supporter before it was cool! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #25
Back around Christmas of 2006 I told my friend that my dream ticket was Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #26
It's long past time for a bearded President again. Richardson. Recursion Feb 2016 #27
John Edwards redwitch Feb 2016 #29
I started with Clinton and switched to Obama, when I became convinced he could win the GE brooklynite Feb 2016 #30
Obama. Loved him from the first.. one_voice Feb 2016 #31
I was blown away by his keynote in '04 as well. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #35
In 2008 HRC was never on my radar or voting list. GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #32
I wanted Al Gore to run ms liberty Feb 2016 #33
Yeah, Gore was far and away my very first choice both in '04 and '08. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #34
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