2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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29. You guys know exactly what went down last night. So did the Clintons.

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:48 PM

Feb 2016

You could read it all over their faces.

I realize it is anathema to a certain Clintonian style of politics to ever admit that maybe there's a problem, but, there's a problem.

And if she IS gonna be our nominee- I still give it pretty good odds- plopping around in a delusional stupor about "She's doing GREAT zomg, no problems here, her style, positions and messaging are exemplary!" is gonna set us all up for some real fuckin' problems this November.

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Did Bernie Sanders win Iowa? [View all] Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 OP

Politically, yes. He will not change his message and has momentum. Avalux Feb 2016 #1

+1. She spent a shit-ton of money and got very little for it. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #19

And his campaign has rcvd over a million dollars since last night!!! peacebird Feb 2016 #27

DU Dem2 Feb 2016 #2

... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #3

He lost, but he clearly was the night's big winner. Vattel Feb 2016 #4

technically no, his support however is as energized as ever and Hillary is wounded JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #5

Down 61 points actually from last february JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #26

Depends on how you measure. morningfog Feb 2016 #6

Exactly! peacebird Feb 2016 #28

Bragging rights aside, it doesn't really mean jack squat. Darb Feb 2016 #7

76% think Bernie won Iowa as of 10am PST. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #8

Not surprised ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #14

Thanks. senz Feb 2016 #24

LOL!!!! This place is so damn crazy!!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #25

LOL....I even posted a link to the actual results showing that Hillary won Iowa. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #44

He did scare the establishment to bits Fearless Feb 2016 #9

In the way that matters, yes. n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #10

Bernie would have clearly won if Hillary and the establishment didn't resort to underhanded tactics AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #11

kick Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #12

HRC may have "won" a contest by some tiny numerical value whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #13

So did she win the Iowa caucuses or did she lose the Iowa caucuses? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #15

I've participated in several of your "gotcha" polls with great anticipation whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #20

.^that 840high Feb 2016 #42

It appears he did not. bigwillq Feb 2016 #16

So if he didn't win Iowa.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #17

Don't know. You'll have to ask them. (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #18

Numbers-wise a tie; but it was a crushing defeat for Secretary Clinton at the same time. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #21

Numbers-wise it's a tie? Hillary won 23 pledged delegates while Bernie got 21 Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #22

You guys know exactly what went down last night. So did the Clintons. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #29

Which numbers are you referring to when you said it's a tie? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #30

For all intents and purposes it was a tie. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #31

Who's the one spinning here? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #32

I'm sorry you don't like that I'm telling you the truth. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #34

21 != 23 Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #35

I guess. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #36

An op-ed in a newspaper means 21 = 23? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #37

You are being deliberately obtuse, and you know it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #38

That picture says a lot. 840high Feb 2016 #43

Iowa enhanced the Sanders campaign & diminished the Clinton campaign. senz Feb 2016 #23

They both won/neither of them won. elleng Feb 2016 #33

Sanders NARROWLY lost but it was a successful night. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #39

He WON, Because He Was Labled AND Attacked As An ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #40

Both Hillary and Bernie won enough to keep moving forward. Dems to Win Feb 2016 #41