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2016 Postmortem

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Prism

(5,815 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:34 AM Jan 2016

Bernie's massive miscalculations [View all]

And let me say upfront, I am guilty of these two massive miscalculations myself. I misread everything. So did the media. So did the Clinton campaign.

Miscalculation #1 - Bernie's candidacy is a long shot.

I thought this. The Establishment thought this. The media thought this. They basically ignored the man for eight months. And while I still think his nomination is improbable, I no longer believe it unthinkable. He has risen as Hillary self-destructed, much like 2008. Everyone and their step-sister is scrambling to prop her up from herself. If he can make a significant dent in the early states, he has a chance. I'm cynical, and I don't put anything past the absolute ratfucking we've witnessed from our own party in the last month or so. They're scared. They're ramping up. If Sanders takes Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada, be prepared. The Party will come down with the fury of hell. But the full-fledged crazy coming out is a sign that the Party now sees him as a viable threat.

Miscalculation #2 - Bernie's candidacy would pull Hillary to the left.

I thought this also. He would engage enough where Clinton would feel the need to sound vaguely progressive when she is traditionally anything but. And we got a lot of early hints of this when she disavowed the TPP and muttered about Keystone. (Oh, don't get me wrong, I fully believe a President Clinton would sign TPP without blinking while declaring, "Oh, no, we totally fixed it. Promise!&quot

And yet the total opposite has happened. Clinton and the party have gone full-fledged Republican in their opposition. As soon as Sanders posed even a vague threat from the Left, rather than move left, Clinton, her surrogates, her campaign, and too many of her supporters all decided jagging wildly to the Right was the best path forward.

I did not see this coming. At all. I don't think many people did. The general belief, from my perception, was that many of us thought Clinton would just pretend to be much more liberal than she is. But newp. She went whole hog conservative.

Tax cuts are all that matters. The Democratic belief, the plank belief, the foundational belief, that tax increases are fine if they are in service to strengthening the social safety net? Out the window. "Taxes!" is now a battle cry to instill fear in the masses. Just as a Republican would do.

Single payer is terrible. Forget that Sanders would never end Obamacare unless he had something better in the offing. Forget that Democrats have been fighting for single payer for 80 years. It now deserves denigration for even thinking about it. And if you can throw your daughter out there to sell this in the most hilariously awful manner possible, all the better.

Iran is the enemy. Even though President Obama bent over fucking backwards and wielded every diplomatic tool imaginable to find peace with the Republicans' current target of war boner salivation, Hillary is having none of it. She's a full on, neo-con hawk. And that's ok! It's other people's kids who will die. No big whoop.

Wall Street's money is corrupting our political process? Laugh disdainfully when asked. Don't address it. Don't do anything about it. Just dismiss the peons who point out, "Uhm, maybe taking millions from the banks that fucked us isn't awesome?" Stupid idiot simpletons. Don't they know Wall Street money is awesome, this time? Just like this last hit of heroin will be amazing. But just this last hit. After that, no more. I swear!

We love LGBT people! Well, now. Not before. They just wouldn't shut the fuck up before. But now? Awesome! Totally supported them the entire time. BFFs practically (personal note: you're terrible people, and I remember each and every one of your insincere asses on this message board).

Racial policies. Last time, she was all about white people. This time, she's totally for whatever accent that her campaign manager decided she needed to adopt this week. And btw, her opponent, whoever he is, is totally racist. For reasons. Private prisons, war on drugs, cutting welfare to the bone because they're all lazy shits. Totally fine. But, she totally cares and shit. Also, she busted out a Spanish-English dictionary and figured out there's a word for grandparent. How do you not feel the care?

Yeah.

I miscalculated. I did not think we, as Democrats, would be spending all this time being Republicans.

Whoops.

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As usual, a great post from Prism! Bonobo Jan 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #2
+1000 RobertEarl Jan 2016 #28
BAM!!! Tell us how you really feel. draa Jan 2016 #3
Great post, Prism. I do however have a calmness about Bernie roguevalley Jan 2016 #25
I'm surprisingly calm myself. draa Jan 2016 #27
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2016 #59
It's not "making her look corrupt and on the take" Divernan Jan 2016 #64
Hey, you get no argument from me draa Jan 2016 #66
.^that 840high Jan 2016 #92
I have a giddy excitement about Bernie winning. cui bono Jan 2016 #68
Good for you, and for the Democratic Party. You're doing more than your share! Cal33 Jan 2016 #76
Brilliant. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #4
Guilty of the second one. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #5
Do you really think big money backers put all their eggs in one basket? n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #6
Eaxctly, what is it you are implying with that remark? Care to clarify yourself. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #72
Apparently some lady sold them a basket but can't sell it to the American people. She has no DhhD Jan 2016 #81
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #7
Serious question: why did you think #2? Recursion Jan 2016 #8
It's tangled with #1 Prism Jan 2016 #10
Ah, that makes sense. Recursion Jan 2016 #11
Speaking of irony read my post below Armstead Jan 2016 #46
You may be right but when people started saying Sanders would get a chunk of Republicans Samantha Jan 2016 #84
How about actually having beliefs? Armstead Jan 2016 #45
Spot on. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #9
Sounds like a theater directive. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #65
Yes nikto Jan 2016 #12
Yep, nailed it! Eom flor-de-jasmim Jan 2016 #13
Brilliantly done, Prism. Excellent OP. K&R. n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #14
They were faking being on the left to begin with so you're seeing them being themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #15
Very well said lastone Jan 2016 #16
TPP was the only thing I got wrong about Clinton. joshcryer Jan 2016 #17
I really think TPP was an edit in progress Prism Jan 2016 #18
She backed away from TPP for the time being to give the labor union bigs cover Bernblu Jan 2016 #21
Here's where Warren says the banks are undervalued: joshcryer Jan 2016 #22
But it cuts to the core of my point Prism Jan 2016 #24
I agree about Clinton. joshcryer Jan 2016 #26
The TPP opposition was a lie Doctor_J Jan 2016 #86
You pulled a Neil deGrasse Tyson. SamKnause Jan 2016 #19
Terrific OP! nt artislife Jan 2016 #20
spot on lucid analysis. big k and r bbgrunt Jan 2016 #23
If Senator Sanders loses, you can ... Tortmaster Jan 2016 #29
having run away< No, President Sanders is just going on, can't wait for her to play catch up. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2016 #30
Thanks! Now my post is ... Tortmaster Jan 2016 #31
Miscalculation # 3: we expected a semblance of impartiality from the DNC. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #32
Well said, Prism. n/t Paper Roses Jan 2016 #33
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #34
I feel your pain. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #35
Full-fledged Republican. LWolf Jan 2016 #36
When Clinton states you're not being realistic, she is telling you the lobbyists have Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #37
K&R! QC Jan 2016 #38
I am sick of all the Hillary supporters who sound like REPUBLICANS. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #39
They don't just sound like them Lorien Jan 2016 #48
"I did not think we, as Democrats, would be spending all this time being Republicans." *mic drop* VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #40
Outstanding OP! Punkingal Jan 2016 #41
Kick again! QC Jan 2016 #42
Kick! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #43
They think Wall Street is good, and taxes and healthcare are bad. DemocraticWing Jan 2016 #44
Excellent analysis Lorien Jan 2016 #47
adding to an excellent OP, ^THIS^ Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #52
Thanks Kip! Lorien Jan 2016 #90
Massive KnR. Well put! retrowire Jan 2016 #49
She will likely lose in the general. But let's say she wins - she will have zero coattails, closeupready Jan 2016 #50
She won't be in the general to lose it though. n/t cui bono Jan 2016 #71
Astonishing post. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #51
Most have made up their minds, those that will vote in primaries. All criticism randys1 Jan 2016 #53
I don't think these are necessarily miscalculations. Nor were they Bernie's. Orsino Jan 2016 #54
Methods of persuasion used by the media to make us believe something that is not. Bernie 2016! Yupy Jan 2016 #55
Great read. Thanks for cogently listing all the reasons why I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton!nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #56
I miscalculated how excellent this OP is. Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #57
K and R! geardaddy Jan 2016 #58
Awesome rant. 99Forever Jan 2016 #60
Most Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #61
Excellent - i just added it to my twitter feed dorkzilla Jan 2016 #62
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! I was 199! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #63
Kick azmom Jan 2016 #67
Well articulated! Great read! emsimon33 Jan 2016 #69
A Clinton presidency would do great harm to this country and Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #70
I'm glad I'm not the only one posting chervilant Jan 2016 #75
Do you have many of the swarm on ignore? hedda_foil Jan 2016 #79
I have almost all of them chervilant Jan 2016 #87
"the Republicans' current target of war boner salivation" Utopian Leftist Jan 2016 #73
Your post blew me away! Awesome! PatrickforO Jan 2016 #74
Miscalculation #2 - Bernie's candidacy would pull Hillary to the left. Babel_17 Jan 2016 #77
Good point. immoderate Jan 2016 #85
293 recs Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2016 #78
K & R! SoapBox Jan 2016 #80
K&R Paka Jan 2016 #82
K&R amborin Jan 2016 #83
Excellent post. morningfog Jan 2016 #88
May I just say that this OP is without a doubt , Autumn Jan 2016 #89
Exscellent post. 840high Jan 2016 #91
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