2016 Postmortem

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Breaking: Krugman endorses Single Payer and Medicare for All!!! [View all] Bread and Circus Jan 2016 OP

2007 was some kind of alternate universe.....Krugman was Bernie, Hillary was Annie Oakley.... virtualobserver Jan 2016 #1

But you know who was Bernie back then? Bernie. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #8

Straight Up Stryder Jan 2016 #51

OVER half the people stand AGAINST single payer. Hortensis Jan 2016 #121

Link? cui bono Jan 2016 #135

I posted it in another thread, Cui. Hortensis Jan 2016 #158

So you can't post it here? cui bono Jan 2016 #159

Sure. Here you go, Cui: "How Change Happens" Hortensis Jan 2016 #160

Thank you. cui bono Jan 2016 #161

Really? Single payer has been a big active issue Hortensis Jan 2016 #162

No doubt azmom Jan 2016 #102

Nothing Has Changed About The Financing of Health Care.. It HAs Despite ACA, ONLY Gotten CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #25

Paul Krugman criticized the ACA saying that "we took what the INdemo Jan 2016 #82

Wait...Krugman is no longer under the Bernie Bus? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #59

I don't think he's a crook. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #68

yeah fairly sure he's a sellout PatrynXX Jan 2016 #97

Krugman led all the cheers for the Clinton White House on NAFTA. bvar22 Jan 2016 #118

Fairly disingenuous; here are the top comments for his "Weakened at Bernie's" post: Chathamization Jan 2016 #138

Nice :) Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #87

Bernie's particular single payer plan is, of course, based on fantasy accounting. DanTex Jan 2016 #2

You keep saying that but economists disagree. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #10

I'll trust Krugman on this one. DanTex Jan 2016 #11

me too. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #13

Good. Now all we need is for Bernie to come up with a plan that's not DanTex Jan 2016 #20

I suppose the meaning of the post is WHICH KRUGMAN? highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #56

Been reading you for several years. Bohunk68 Jan 2016 #129

you've been listening to sarah palin, hopemountain Jan 2016 #134

I'll trust the 170 top economist who approve Bernie's plan. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #16

Really, 170 economists have reviewed the plan in the last week? DanTex Jan 2016 #19

Really Uponthegears Jan 2016 #37

I guess it's possible, but apparently it didn't actually happen. DanTex Jan 2016 #39

Damn it, my mind drifted to his Wall street plan. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #38

Yes, 170. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #45

Umm, that article isn't about his health care plan. DanTex Jan 2016 #47

... facepalm* lol nt retrowire Jan 2016 #61

Do you think there was only one copy to pass around or something??? n/t tom_kelly Jan 2016 #62

Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #96

Certainly more than agree with Clinton's "plan"?. Of course those that support the American rhett o rick Jan 2016 #123

Where is this marvelous report to be found? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #114

See post 38. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #116

I'll trust 170 top economists. cui bono Jan 2016 #136

On what is Hillary's single-payer plan based? Gene Debs Jan 2016 #18

Not having one. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #22

Hillary single-payer plan means: Helen Borg Jan 2016 #36

It's based on the plan of not having one. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #79

It works just fine in other countries, why not in America? Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #28

There are no countries on Bernie's plan. DanTex Jan 2016 #29

find a western democracy that does not have single payer virtualobserver Jan 2016 #41

Holland. Germany. DanTex Jan 2016 #44

does medicare work? is it fantasy? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #58

Medicare works. DanTex Jan 2016 #63

expanding medicare will also work. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #65

Depends how it's expanded and whether it's adequately paid for. DanTex Jan 2016 #67

That is what we we will do. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #69

That's what Krugman was doing, when he pointed out that Bernie's current plan wouldn't work. DanTex Jan 2016 #72

Just talked to my family in Germany, and sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #83

Like I said, not single payer. DanTex Jan 2016 #85

So what? You only named two countries. Big deal. cui bono Jan 2016 #137

Hey... DUbeornot2be Jan 2016 #122

They don't need to be. Chef Eric Jan 2016 #49

I agree we need a good system. So does Krugman. DanTex Jan 2016 #52

how well does our current system work for the 30 million uninsured? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #60

Not well. DanTex Jan 2016 #64

Hey! I am excited. You are making progress! I knew this thread would be helpful :) Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #81

Ummm....horse shit..... paleotn Jan 2016 #108

Do Paul and media personality Steven Leser know each other? FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #3

Lol, good one! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #150

Hypocrisy, here is thy sting. Zorra Jan 2016 #4

I stand proudly with this old Krugman. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #5

+ a brazillion kath Jan 2016 #6

! ejbr Jan 2016 #14

K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #7

This quote gets me: Jarqui Jan 2016 #9

It is a tragedy. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #34

Bernie's "a little fixated on and still very upset about this" as well sammythecat Jan 2016 #117

I know we can count on Bernie to try to help them Jarqui Jan 2016 #125

k&r nt antigop Jan 2016 #12

Breaking: It's 2016, not 2007 and you and Bernie don't seem to understand that we've synergie Jan 2016 #15

If we could do it then, we can do it now. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #24

Breaking: Krugman was arguing for single payer (or public option) during that debate Armstead Jan 2016 #27

29 Million Still-Uninsured Americans disagree. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #31

I have to laugh at you. Nothing has fundamentally changed in regards to laws of economics.... Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #32

I know the fucking date. 99Forever Jan 2016 #95

The one thing that is constant is Krugman being a hack who says whatever is needed to bolster Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #101

Sorry I don't speak Palinese. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #142

Does Krugman 2.0 ejbr Jan 2016 #17

Kick for truth! Segami Jan 2016 #21

Thanks :) Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #33

Krugman elljay Jan 2016 #23

Most Excellent OP! Maybe Mr. Krugman needs to reboot his calculator 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #26

I wonder which category the current vrsion of Krugman falls into? Armstead Jan 2016 #30

Oh, this is rich...thank you for this thread, BaC! tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #35

It's times like this I truly LOVE the internet. retrowire Jan 2016 #40

Your 2007 articles are not breaking....he's changed his mind 1/23/16 Sheepshank Jan 2016 #42

They see what they want to see nt kjones Jan 2016 #55

And irony is lost upon you as well.... paleotn Jan 2016 #110

The words just don't mean much anymore kjones Jan 2016 #126

Apparently irony is lost upon you. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #71

You and he can't spin this..... Armstead Jan 2016 #80

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #43

Krugman still thinks single payer would be a good thing, he just knows it's not politically viable. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #46

So? Give up on the truth because Republicans TEMPORARILY own the House and the Senate? Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #53

Fear of Republicans ... GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #143

Pigheaded determination to ignore inconvenient facts isn't either. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #157

K&R MelissaB Jan 2016 #48

Krugman seems to really want a position in a center-right Clinton administration. Broward Jan 2016 #50

That's exactly what I suspect as well Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #57

hee hee Nicely done BreadandCircus, nicely done. I respect Krugman yet his positions of late Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #54

You Bernie supporters give me whiplash....just yesterday, last week you all hated Krugman Sheepshank Jan 2016 #66

I don't hate him, I said I respect him even though I don't agree with him. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #73

Hated? Overreact much? A stopped clock is right twice a day, and I don't hate it when it's wrong. libdem4life Jan 2016 #128

Thanks for the ride in the Way Back Machine, Mr. Peabody! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #70

Actually, he's not recommending Single Payer immediately. lark Jan 2016 #74

Oh God DAMN that's gonna leave a mark. Krugman's not a weather vane... he's a wind sock! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #75

..+1 840high Jan 2016 #153

Great day in the morning libodem Jan 2016 #76

I guess he's "evolved" on the issue... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #77

+1 mountain grammy Jan 2016 #84

Yup...right in line with Hillary on this subject. Nt Sheepshank Jan 2016 #86

evidently hc's plan for the 29 million uninsured questionseverything Jan 2016 #109

Soon after joining Camp Weathervane. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #144

k n r snagglepuss Jan 2016 #78

Lot's of folks thought it doable back then. Then Lieberman and others got scared. 2016 ain't 2007. Hoyt Jan 2016 #88

Bernie supporter op fail. How embarassing...you should delete Sheepshank Jan 2016 #89

Meaning no transition at all. (nt) paleotn Jan 2016 #112

In light of two quoted statements up thread (Hilary and Krugman), you simply make up shit Sheepshank Jan 2016 #115

Failure my arse.... paleotn Jan 2016 #119

Sent a coworker Krugmans article from yesterday abelenkpe Jan 2016 #90

"Remained a British colony" Duppers Jan 2016 #103

K N R Faux pas Jan 2016 #91

K&R Duval Jan 2016 #92

How embarrassing for Paul Krugman. Was he or isn't he? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #93

Another guy whose positions change with the wind A Little Weird Jan 2016 #94

Things are kinda flippy floppy over in Camp Weathervane. 99Forever Jan 2016 #98

Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan Gothmog Jan 2016 #99

Which One? Krugman 2007 or Krugman 2016? Bernblu Jan 2016 #145

The Krugman commenting on what purports to be the Sanders plan Gothmog Jan 2016 #152

Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #163

I'd think a Nobel laureate could come up with better jibberish. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #147

It is not jibberish Gothmog Jan 2016 #149

I was calling Krugman a hack before it was cool. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #100

Krugman also says the candidate with the best economic plans is...Hillary. She's very detailed.... Hekate Jan 2016 #104

But wait! That was DIFFERENT! closeupready Jan 2016 #105

Kick panader0 Jan 2016 #106

These are old comments. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #107

He was for it before he was against it! Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #111

Yeah, I realized after posting that was the point of this thread passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #113

totally misleading title. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #120

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #124

K&R merkins Jan 2016 #127

A little tax versus $1000 a month. Hmm. Not even close. I vote for Single Payer! nt valerief Jan 2016 #130

K & R! SoapBox Jan 2016 #131

knr nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #132

Kickety rec! hifiguy Jan 2016 #133

He also said that on financial reform, the differences between Clinton and Sanders were trivial and Chathamization Jan 2016 #139

then he fell in love with the president, and said goodbye to his liberal principles Doctor_J Jan 2016 #140

Hillary set him straight? GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #141

He's probably angling for a job Bernblu Jan 2016 #146

Debating Krugmans Bernblu Jan 2016 #148

Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #151

Too Bad ... november3rd Jan 2016 #154

May anyone against single payer and medicare for all The Green Manalishi Jan 2016 #155

Erm, the public option and mandates and all that... joshcryer Jan 2016 #156

Right, so why did Obama and Clinton abandon the public option? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #165

So much love for Single Payer! Thanks Krugman. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #164