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2016 Postmortem

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Bread and Circus

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Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:11 PM Jan 2016

Breaking: Krugman endorses Single Payer and Medicare for All!!! [View all]

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/?_r=0

Why not single-payer?
October 7, 2007 5:31 pm
Paul Krugman

The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?

Yes, it would.


And here he goes full on Socialist... like old school government-delivers-the-means, socialist...


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/why-not-a-public-option-for-medicare/

Why Not A Public Option for Medicare?
April 12, 2011 9:27 am
Paul Krugman

But if you want a really radical proposal — but one that, unlike privatization, actually has strong evidence on its side — why not add a true public option to Medicare?

What do I mean by that? I mean creating a network of hospitals and clinics actually run by the government — a civilian VA, as Phillip Longman puts it — and giving Medicare recipients the option of using that system.


Oh, and this one's gonna hurt:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/why-the-public-option-matters/

Why the public option matters
September 8, 2009 4:56 pm
Paul Krugman

Most arguments against the public option are based either on deliberate misrepresentation of what that option would mean, or on remarkably thorough misunderstanding of the concept, which persists to a frustrating degree...


Here, he is downright promoting "Socialized Medicine"

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/why-americans-hate-single-payer-insurance/

Why Americans hate single-payer insurance
July 28, 2009 11:45 am
Paul Krugman

Because they don’t know they have it...

One of the truly amazing and depressing things about the health reform debate is the persistence of fear-mongering over “socialized medicine” even though we already have a system in which the government pays substantially more medical bills (47% of the total) than the private insurance industry (35%).

In a way, this is the flip side of the persistent belief that the free market can cure healthcare, even though there are no places where it actually has...




Then there's this chestnut....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act

Paul Krugman described savings from elimination of insurance company overhead and hospital billing costs in 2005 as follows:[2]

The great advantage of universal, government-provided health insurance is lower costs. Canada's government-run insurance system has much less bureaucracy and much lower administrative costs than our largely private system. Medicare has much lower administrative costs than private insurance. The reason is that single-payer systems do not devote large resources to screening out high-risk clients or charging them higher fees. The savings from a single-payer system would probably exceed $200 billion a year, far more than the cost of covering all of those now uninsured.

Applying Krugman's $200 billion savings estimate to the U.S. population of approximately 300 million people representing 100 million households,[11] this amounts to approximately $650 per person or $2,000 per household. A study by Harvard University and the Canadian Institute for Health Information estimated the 1999 costs of U.S. health care administration at nearly $300 billion, accounting for 30.1% of health care expenses, versus 16.7% in Canada. This study estimated the U.S. per-person administrative cost at $1,059.[12] One organization that advocates nationalized health care estimated this savings could be as high as $350 billion per year in "...overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay."[13]


I will leave you with Paul Krugman's own words...

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/opinion/09krugman.html?hp

Health Care Terror

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: July 9, 2007

So this is a test. The only things standing in the way of universal health care are the fear-mongering and influence-buying of interest groups. If we can’t overcome those forces here, there’s not much hope for America’s future.


Which....by the way is pretty much what Bernie is saying.


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2007 was some kind of alternate universe.....Krugman was Bernie, Hillary was Annie Oakley.... virtualobserver Jan 2016 #1
But you know who was Bernie back then? Bernie. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #8
Straight Up Stryder Jan 2016 #51
OVER half the people stand AGAINST single payer. Hortensis Jan 2016 #121
Link? cui bono Jan 2016 #135
I posted it in another thread, Cui. Hortensis Jan 2016 #158
So you can't post it here? cui bono Jan 2016 #159
Sure. Here you go, Cui: "How Change Happens" Hortensis Jan 2016 #160
Thank you. cui bono Jan 2016 #161
Really? Single payer has been a big active issue Hortensis Jan 2016 #162
No doubt azmom Jan 2016 #102
Nothing Has Changed About The Financing of Health Care.. It HAs Despite ACA, ONLY Gotten CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #25
Paul Krugman criticized the ACA saying that "we took what the INdemo Jan 2016 #82
Wait...Krugman is no longer under the Bernie Bus? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #59
I don't think he's a crook. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #68
yeah fairly sure he's a sellout PatrynXX Jan 2016 #97
Krugman led all the cheers for the Clinton White House on NAFTA. bvar22 Jan 2016 #118
Fairly disingenuous; here are the top comments for his "Weakened at Bernie's" post: Chathamization Jan 2016 #138
Nice :) Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #87
Bernie's particular single payer plan is, of course, based on fantasy accounting. DanTex Jan 2016 #2
You keep saying that but economists disagree. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #10
I'll trust Krugman on this one. DanTex Jan 2016 #11
me too. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #13
Good. Now all we need is for Bernie to come up with a plan that's not DanTex Jan 2016 #20
I suppose the meaning of the post is WHICH KRUGMAN? highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #56
Been reading you for several years. Bohunk68 Jan 2016 #129
you've been listening to sarah palin, hopemountain Jan 2016 #134
I'll trust the 170 top economist who approve Bernie's plan. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #16
Really, 170 economists have reviewed the plan in the last week? DanTex Jan 2016 #19
Really Uponthegears Jan 2016 #37
I guess it's possible, but apparently it didn't actually happen. DanTex Jan 2016 #39
Damn it, my mind drifted to his Wall street plan. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #38
Yes, 170. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #45
Umm, that article isn't about his health care plan. DanTex Jan 2016 #47
... facepalm* lol nt retrowire Jan 2016 #61
Do you think there was only one copy to pass around or something??? n/t tom_kelly Jan 2016 #62
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #96
Certainly more than agree with Clinton's "plan"?. Of course those that support the American rhett o rick Jan 2016 #123
Where is this marvelous report to be found? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #114
See post 38. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #116
I'll trust 170 top economists. cui bono Jan 2016 #136
On what is Hillary's single-payer plan based? Gene Debs Jan 2016 #18
Not having one. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #22
Hillary single-payer plan means: Helen Borg Jan 2016 #36
It's based on the plan of not having one. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #79
It works just fine in other countries, why not in America? Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #28
There are no countries on Bernie's plan. DanTex Jan 2016 #29
find a western democracy that does not have single payer virtualobserver Jan 2016 #41
Holland. Germany. DanTex Jan 2016 #44
does medicare work? is it fantasy? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #58
Medicare works. DanTex Jan 2016 #63
expanding medicare will also work. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #65
Depends how it's expanded and whether it's adequately paid for. DanTex Jan 2016 #67
That is what we we will do. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #69
That's what Krugman was doing, when he pointed out that Bernie's current plan wouldn't work. DanTex Jan 2016 #72
Just talked to my family in Germany, and sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #83
Like I said, not single payer. DanTex Jan 2016 #85
So what? You only named two countries. Big deal. cui bono Jan 2016 #137
Hey... DUbeornot2be Jan 2016 #122
They don't need to be. Chef Eric Jan 2016 #49
I agree we need a good system. So does Krugman. DanTex Jan 2016 #52
how well does our current system work for the 30 million uninsured? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #60
Not well. DanTex Jan 2016 #64
Hey! I am excited. You are making progress! I knew this thread would be helpful :) Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #81
Ummm....horse shit..... paleotn Jan 2016 #108
Do Paul and media personality Steven Leser know each other? FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #3
Lol, good one! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #150
Hypocrisy, here is thy sting. Zorra Jan 2016 #4
I stand proudly with this old Krugman. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #5
+ a brazillion kath Jan 2016 #6
! ejbr Jan 2016 #14
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #7
This quote gets me: Jarqui Jan 2016 #9
It is a tragedy. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #34
Bernie's "a little fixated on and still very upset about this" as well sammythecat Jan 2016 #117
I know we can count on Bernie to try to help them Jarqui Jan 2016 #125
k&r nt antigop Jan 2016 #12
Breaking: It's 2016, not 2007 and you and Bernie don't seem to understand that we've synergie Jan 2016 #15
If we could do it then, we can do it now. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #24
Breaking: Krugman was arguing for single payer (or public option) during that debate Armstead Jan 2016 #27
29 Million Still-Uninsured Americans disagree. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #31
I have to laugh at you. Nothing has fundamentally changed in regards to laws of economics.... Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #32
I know the fucking date. 99Forever Jan 2016 #95
The one thing that is constant is Krugman being a hack who says whatever is needed to bolster Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #101
Sorry I don't speak Palinese. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #142
Does Krugman 2.0 ejbr Jan 2016 #17
Kick for truth! Segami Jan 2016 #21
Thanks :) Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #33
Krugman elljay Jan 2016 #23
Most Excellent OP! Maybe Mr. Krugman needs to reboot his calculator 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #26
I wonder which category the current vrsion of Krugman falls into? Armstead Jan 2016 #30
Oh, this is rich...thank you for this thread, BaC! tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #35
It's times like this I truly LOVE the internet. retrowire Jan 2016 #40
Your 2007 articles are not breaking....he's changed his mind 1/23/16 Sheepshank Jan 2016 #42
They see what they want to see nt kjones Jan 2016 #55
And irony is lost upon you as well.... paleotn Jan 2016 #110
The words just don't mean much anymore kjones Jan 2016 #126
Apparently irony is lost upon you. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #71
You and he can't spin this..... Armstead Jan 2016 #80
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #43
Krugman still thinks single payer would be a good thing, he just knows it's not politically viable. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #46
So? Give up on the truth because Republicans TEMPORARILY own the House and the Senate? Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #53
Fear of Republicans ... GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #143
Pigheaded determination to ignore inconvenient facts isn't either. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #157
K&R MelissaB Jan 2016 #48
Krugman seems to really want a position in a center-right Clinton administration. Broward Jan 2016 #50
That's exactly what I suspect as well Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #57
hee hee Nicely done BreadandCircus, nicely done. I respect Krugman yet his positions of late Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #54
You Bernie supporters give me whiplash....just yesterday, last week you all hated Krugman Sheepshank Jan 2016 #66
I don't hate him, I said I respect him even though I don't agree with him. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #73
Hated? Overreact much? A stopped clock is right twice a day, and I don't hate it when it's wrong. libdem4life Jan 2016 #128
Thanks for the ride in the Way Back Machine, Mr. Peabody! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #70
Actually, he's not recommending Single Payer immediately. lark Jan 2016 #74
Oh God DAMN that's gonna leave a mark. Krugman's not a weather vane... he's a wind sock! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #75
..+1 840high Jan 2016 #153
Great day in the morning libodem Jan 2016 #76
I guess he's "evolved" on the issue... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #77
+1 mountain grammy Jan 2016 #84
Yup...right in line with Hillary on this subject. Nt Sheepshank Jan 2016 #86
evidently hc's plan for the 29 million uninsured questionseverything Jan 2016 #109
Soon after joining Camp Weathervane. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #144
k n r snagglepuss Jan 2016 #78
Lot's of folks thought it doable back then. Then Lieberman and others got scared. 2016 ain't 2007. Hoyt Jan 2016 #88
Bernie supporter op fail. How embarassing...you should delete Sheepshank Jan 2016 #89
Meaning no transition at all. (nt) paleotn Jan 2016 #112
In light of two quoted statements up thread (Hilary and Krugman), you simply make up shit Sheepshank Jan 2016 #115
Failure my arse.... paleotn Jan 2016 #119
Sent a coworker Krugmans article from yesterday abelenkpe Jan 2016 #90
"Remained a British colony" Duppers Jan 2016 #103
K N R Faux pas Jan 2016 #91
K&R Duval Jan 2016 #92
How embarrassing for Paul Krugman. Was he or isn't he? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #93
Another guy whose positions change with the wind A Little Weird Jan 2016 #94
Things are kinda flippy floppy over in Camp Weathervane. 99Forever Jan 2016 #98
Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan Gothmog Jan 2016 #99
Which One? Krugman 2007 or Krugman 2016? Bernblu Jan 2016 #145
The Krugman commenting on what purports to be the Sanders plan Gothmog Jan 2016 #152
Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #163
I'd think a Nobel laureate could come up with better jibberish. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #147
It is not jibberish Gothmog Jan 2016 #149
I was calling Krugman a hack before it was cool. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #100
Krugman also says the candidate with the best economic plans is...Hillary. She's very detailed.... Hekate Jan 2016 #104
But wait! That was DIFFERENT! closeupready Jan 2016 #105
Kick panader0 Jan 2016 #106
These are old comments. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #107
He was for it before he was against it! Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #111
Yeah, I realized after posting that was the point of this thread passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #113
totally misleading title. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2016 #120
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #124
K&R merkins Jan 2016 #127
A little tax versus $1000 a month. Hmm. Not even close. I vote for Single Payer! nt valerief Jan 2016 #130
K & R! SoapBox Jan 2016 #131
knr nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #132
Kickety rec! hifiguy Jan 2016 #133
He also said that on financial reform, the differences between Clinton and Sanders were trivial and Chathamization Jan 2016 #139
then he fell in love with the president, and said goodbye to his liberal principles Doctor_J Jan 2016 #140
Hillary set him straight? GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #141
He's probably angling for a job Bernblu Jan 2016 #146
Debating Krugmans Bernblu Jan 2016 #148
Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #151
Too Bad ... november3rd Jan 2016 #154
May anyone against single payer and medicare for all The Green Manalishi Jan 2016 #155
Erm, the public option and mandates and all that... joshcryer Jan 2016 #156
Right, so why did Obama and Clinton abandon the public option? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #165
So much love for Single Payer! Thanks Krugman. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #164
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