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Showing Original Post only (View all)Breaking: Krugman endorses Single Payer and Medicare for All!!! [View all]
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/?_r=0
Why not single-payer?
October 7, 2007 5:31 pm
Paul Krugman
The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldnt that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?
Yes, it would.
Why not single-payer?
October 7, 2007 5:31 pm
Paul Krugman
The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldnt that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?
Yes, it would.
And here he goes full on Socialist... like old school government-delivers-the-means, socialist...
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/why-not-a-public-option-for-medicare/
Why Not A Public Option for Medicare?
April 12, 2011 9:27 am
Paul Krugman
But if you want a really radical proposal but one that, unlike privatization, actually has strong evidence on its side why not add a true public option to Medicare?
What do I mean by that? I mean creating a network of hospitals and clinics actually run by the government a civilian VA, as Phillip Longman puts it and giving Medicare recipients the option of using that system.
Oh, and this one's gonna hurt:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/why-the-public-option-matters/
Why the public option matters
September 8, 2009 4:56 pm
Paul Krugman
Most arguments against the public option are based either on deliberate misrepresentation of what that option would mean, or on remarkably thorough misunderstanding of the concept, which persists to a frustrating degree...
Why the public option matters
September 8, 2009 4:56 pm
Paul Krugman
Most arguments against the public option are based either on deliberate misrepresentation of what that option would mean, or on remarkably thorough misunderstanding of the concept, which persists to a frustrating degree...
Here, he is downright promoting "Socialized Medicine"
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/why-americans-hate-single-payer-insurance/
Why Americans hate single-payer insurance
July 28, 2009 11:45 am
Paul Krugman
Because they dont know they have it...
One of the truly amazing and depressing things about the health reform debate is the persistence of fear-mongering over socialized medicine even though we already have a system in which the government pays substantially more medical bills (47% of the total) than the private insurance industry (35%).
In a way, this is the flip side of the persistent belief that the free market can cure healthcare, even though there are no places where it actually has...
Why Americans hate single-payer insurance
July 28, 2009 11:45 am
Paul Krugman
Because they dont know they have it...
One of the truly amazing and depressing things about the health reform debate is the persistence of fear-mongering over socialized medicine even though we already have a system in which the government pays substantially more medical bills (47% of the total) than the private insurance industry (35%).
In a way, this is the flip side of the persistent belief that the free market can cure healthcare, even though there are no places where it actually has...
Then there's this chestnut....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act
Paul Krugman described savings from elimination of insurance company overhead and hospital billing costs in 2005 as follows:[2]
The great advantage of universal, government-provided health insurance is lower costs. Canada's government-run insurance system has much less bureaucracy and much lower administrative costs than our largely private system. Medicare has much lower administrative costs than private insurance. The reason is that single-payer systems do not devote large resources to screening out high-risk clients or charging them higher fees. The savings from a single-payer system would probably exceed $200 billion a year, far more than the cost of covering all of those now uninsured.
Applying Krugman's $200 billion savings estimate to the U.S. population of approximately 300 million people representing 100 million households,[11] this amounts to approximately $650 per person or $2,000 per household. A study by Harvard University and the Canadian Institute for Health Information estimated the 1999 costs of U.S. health care administration at nearly $300 billion, accounting for 30.1% of health care expenses, versus 16.7% in Canada. This study estimated the U.S. per-person administrative cost at $1,059.[12] One organization that advocates nationalized health care estimated this savings could be as high as $350 billion per year in "...overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay."[13]
Paul Krugman described savings from elimination of insurance company overhead and hospital billing costs in 2005 as follows:[2]
The great advantage of universal, government-provided health insurance is lower costs. Canada's government-run insurance system has much less bureaucracy and much lower administrative costs than our largely private system. Medicare has much lower administrative costs than private insurance. The reason is that single-payer systems do not devote large resources to screening out high-risk clients or charging them higher fees. The savings from a single-payer system would probably exceed $200 billion a year, far more than the cost of covering all of those now uninsured.
Applying Krugman's $200 billion savings estimate to the U.S. population of approximately 300 million people representing 100 million households,[11] this amounts to approximately $650 per person or $2,000 per household. A study by Harvard University and the Canadian Institute for Health Information estimated the 1999 costs of U.S. health care administration at nearly $300 billion, accounting for 30.1% of health care expenses, versus 16.7% in Canada. This study estimated the U.S. per-person administrative cost at $1,059.[12] One organization that advocates nationalized health care estimated this savings could be as high as $350 billion per year in "...overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay."[13]
I will leave you with Paul Krugman's own words...
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/opinion/09krugman.html?hp
Health Care Terror
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: July 9, 2007
So this is a test. The only things standing in the way of universal health care are the fear-mongering and influence-buying of interest groups. If we cant overcome those forces here, theres not much hope for Americas future.
Health Care Terror
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: July 9, 2007
So this is a test. The only things standing in the way of universal health care are the fear-mongering and influence-buying of interest groups. If we cant overcome those forces here, theres not much hope for Americas future.
Which....by the way is pretty much what Bernie is saying.
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Breaking: Krugman endorses Single Payer and Medicare for All!!! [View all]
Bread and Circus
Jan 2016
OP
2007 was some kind of alternate universe.....Krugman was Bernie, Hillary was Annie Oakley....
virtualobserver
Jan 2016
#1
Nothing Has Changed About The Financing of Health Care.. It HAs Despite ACA, ONLY Gotten
CorporatistNation
Jan 2016
#25
Fairly disingenuous; here are the top comments for his "Weakened at Bernie's" post:
Chathamization
Jan 2016
#138
Bernie's particular single payer plan is, of course, based on fantasy accounting.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#2
Certainly more than agree with Clinton's "plan"?. Of course those that support the American
rhett o rick
Jan 2016
#123
That's what Krugman was doing, when he pointed out that Bernie's current plan wouldn't work.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#72
Hey! I am excited. You are making progress! I knew this thread would be helpful :)
Bread and Circus
Jan 2016
#81
Breaking: It's 2016, not 2007 and you and Bernie don't seem to understand that we've
synergie
Jan 2016
#15
Breaking: Krugman was arguing for single payer (or public option) during that debate
Armstead
Jan 2016
#27
I have to laugh at you. Nothing has fundamentally changed in regards to laws of economics....
Bread and Circus
Jan 2016
#32
The one thing that is constant is Krugman being a hack who says whatever is needed to bolster
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2016
#101
Krugman still thinks single payer would be a good thing, he just knows it's not politically viable.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2016
#46
So? Give up on the truth because Republicans TEMPORARILY own the House and the Senate?
Bread and Circus
Jan 2016
#53
Krugman seems to really want a position in a center-right Clinton administration.
Broward
Jan 2016
#50
hee hee Nicely done BreadandCircus, nicely done. I respect Krugman yet his positions of late
Jefferson23
Jan 2016
#54
You Bernie supporters give me whiplash....just yesterday, last week you all hated Krugman
Sheepshank
Jan 2016
#66
Hated? Overreact much? A stopped clock is right twice a day, and I don't hate it when it's wrong.
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#128
Oh God DAMN that's gonna leave a mark. Krugman's not a weather vane... he's a wind sock!
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2016
#75
Lot's of folks thought it doable back then. Then Lieberman and others got scared. 2016 ain't 2007.
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#88
In light of two quoted statements up thread (Hilary and Krugman), you simply make up shit
Sheepshank
Jan 2016
#115
Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan
Gothmog
Jan 2016
#99
Krugman also says the candidate with the best economic plans is...Hillary. She's very detailed....
Hekate
Jan 2016
#104
A little tax versus $1000 a month. Hmm. Not even close. I vote for Single Payer! nt
valerief
Jan 2016
#130
He also said that on financial reform, the differences between Clinton and Sanders were trivial and
Chathamization
Jan 2016
#139
then he fell in love with the president, and said goodbye to his liberal principles
Doctor_J
Jan 2016
#140