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Alfresco

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Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:38 AM Jan 2016

Iowa Starting Line - Where’s The Beef, Bernie? [View all]

http://iowastartingline.com/2016/01/14/wheres-the-beef-bernie/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wheres-the-beef-bernie
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January 14th, 2016
by Pat Rynard

Your Home for Iowa Caucus and Iowa Politics News

As caucus night draws near and the polls tighten, the Hillary Clinton campaign is putting increasing pressure on Bernie Sanders to release a detailed plan on his Medicare-for-all proposal. Namely: how is he going to pay for it?

The newest battle began after Sanders himself told CNN on Tuesday night that he would release his full tax plan before the Iowa Caucus. The next day, however, his national campaign manager Jeff Weaver backed off of that commitment. Sanders’ Iowa state director, Robert Becker, told the Des Moines Register that “Bernie Sanders will put forth details for universal coverage when he is ready and not because Hillary Clinton suddenly realized she is losing.”

All that didn’t sit well with team Clinton, which quickly called the backtracking on a plan “alarming,” and suggested Sanders was withholding information so to make caucus-goers think his Medicare plan could be implemented with little to no burden on most families. It’s likely also frustrating to Clinton backers who see a double-standard at play. If Clinton, seen by many critics as too calculating in her politics, decided to not release important details of a plan that could have negative effects before an important primary vote, she would be pilloried in the media non-stop for it.

The Sanders campaign shot back that Clinton committed a “flip-flop” on healthcare, even accusing her of using “Karl Rove tactics.” However, they weren’t hitting Clinton on a policy change, instead they were pointing to a statement she made in 2008 that Democrats shouldn’t criticize each other’s healthcare plans. But Clinton was largely criticizing Sanders’ lack of a plan in this instance.

There are two criticisms here coming from the Clinton campaign when it comes to Sanders’ Medicare plan. One is on the idea of Medicare-for-all itself, which Clinton and allies are arguing would either 1) be impracticable to implement without a large new tax on middle class families or 2) would dismantle much of Obamacare, CHIP and Medicare as it currently is. That policy argument has been met with push-back from many progressives who feel Clinton is attacking the idea of singer-payer, which is still very popular in many circles.

But the broader implication in this line of critique from Clinton is that Sanders promises a lot in his speeches, but would have extreme difficulty getting them actually enacted once in office. And that Sanders hasn’t adequately explained how much his “political revolution” would be realistically implemented.
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And many of us do not believe a word Hillary utters. djean111 Jan 2016 #1
Plus EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #3
That begs the question firebrand80 Jan 2016 #8
You don't EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #20
I'm pretty certain I know the reason firebrand80 Jan 2016 #23
You should've used that power of yours EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #29
Or, I could call Bernie a liar firebrand80 Jan 2016 #35
He stated again yesterday he would release it before Iowa. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #40
I wasn't aware of that firebrand80 Jan 2016 #42
You're right of course, Jeff Weaver was playing coy the day before. I think it is some kind of strat JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #46
I think that since Bernie has the momentum in IA firebrand80 Jan 2016 #82
You could call him a liar... but you'de be wrong. The Iowa caucus hasn't happened yet. Bubzer Jan 2016 #49
What's "obvious" EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #76
It's obvious to me firebrand80 Jan 2016 #80
"as if he has released a plan" Why would Bernie allow this deception? WHY? riversedge Jan 2016 #83
Your side lost the authority to talk about deception. You can, but it doesn't carry meaning. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #97
No--this sounds like Bernie is doing just what all politicians do. MADem Jan 2016 #115
He has released it. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #63
Has Bernie said that's his plan? firebrand80 Jan 2016 #96
Oh come on--not even his STAFF is suggesting that that is "it." nt MADem Jan 2016 #116
It probably looks a lot like the Vermont Universal Health Care Plan. MADem Jan 2016 #91
Five demerits for improper use of "begs the question" Scootaloo Jan 2016 #101
And it doesn't have a hope in hell of passing Congress. MADem Jan 2016 #14
And Hillary can't "status quo" us into a better America. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #27
And if Bernie can't raise taxes (and he cannot do that), MADem Jan 2016 #90
bern enid602 Jan 2016 #38
Nice Republican talking points there. eom Fawke Em Jan 2016 #65
hardly enid602 Jan 2016 #74
It is all 'pie in the sky.' I don't believe him. MADem Jan 2016 #92
So how, exactly, then is Clinton going to do ANYTHING? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #64
lead enid602 Jan 2016 #77
So Sanders has not clue how to do that? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #86
Clinton has coattails in an election--Sanders does not. MADem Jan 2016 #104
Some of us believe the opposite is true. John Poet Jan 2016 #106
That excitement turns to "Let's move on to the next big thing" when it becomes MADem Jan 2016 #112
You're way off-topic now. We were talking about coat-tails, John Poet Jan 2016 #113
If I'm off topic, it's because YOU brought up the "excitement" factor and started MADem Jan 2016 #114
You wanna be my momma, now? John Poet Jan 2016 #117
Just when I thought you'd reached your nadir, you disabuse me of that notion! MADem Jan 2016 #120
You made it personal FIRST. John Poet Jan 2016 #121
No, I didn't--you did. Go on, pull the string. MADem Jan 2016 #122
Do you even hear what you type in your head? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #108
Look at the super delegate count. How many of those DC incumbents are backing BS? MADem Jan 2016 #109
And Clouds will come down from the sky John Poet Jan 2016 #119
Clinton's going to do it incrementally, with a bit of quid pro quo. MADem Jan 2016 #89
Quid pro quo is pretty much how anything at all comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #102
Does this mean I can't convince you to reconsider and support Hillary? :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #15
Bwahahahaha! A visit from Bill and Hillary could not get me to support Hillary. djean111 Jan 2016 #17
And the fact that the author of this article was a 2008 Hillary staffer CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #55
He has pro-Sanders articles on his site. I find his writing to be informative and unbiased. Alfresco Jan 2016 #58
Actually NO... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #79
So you're saying he's like that Goodman fella who gets so much love here lately. nt MADem Jan 2016 #93
Was Goodman on the Sander's payroll? (Nt) CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #100
If he's not getting paid, he's in the throes of a fine (b)romance. MADem Jan 2016 #103
Self-respecting people don't accept being lied to. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #95
Oh, ok.... MADem Jan 2016 #118
Not one damn word do I believe madokie Jan 2016 #105
None of the candidates have said how they will pay for such a bloated military. stone space Jan 2016 #2
Thank you! dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #19
Amen Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #28
POLITIFACT STANDS BY BERNIE'S PLAN. DO NOT FEED THIS THREAD. KICK WORTHWHILE BERNIE OPs INSTEAD. Green Forest Jan 2016 #4
What's the point of this forum, in your opinion? firebrand80 Jan 2016 #10
This article is written by an Iowan for Iowans and you want to suppress it. What are you afraid of? Alfresco Jan 2016 #11
Yep... CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #30
LOL, getting started a bit early on throwing liberals under the bus for Hillary's weak general prosp JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #44
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #127
Some people won't vote for her, but not out of spite. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #68
No, this was written by a FORMER HILLARY STAFFER. It's bunk. CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #50
He has pro-Sanders articles on his site. I find his writing to be informative and unbiased. Alfresco Jan 2016 #60
They do? You sure about that? Didn't look that way to me... MADem Jan 2016 #16
Employers pay NOTHING for health insurance? a2liberal Jan 2016 #53
All of the assertions are sourced at the Politifact website. MADem Jan 2016 #94
Iowans want to know and we have less than a month Skidmore Jan 2016 #47
Iowans can read Senate Bill 1782 Fawke Em Jan 2016 #70
Suggesting that this opinion piece is reflective of the views of Iowans is ludicrious CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #84
LOL! Sanders will have a lot less trouble getting things enacted than Hillary would. merrily Jan 2016 #5
LOL! Is that the plan? BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #7
What's Hillary's plan? See Reply 39. merrily Jan 2016 #54
How? CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #32
While a Senator, she had zero success working with Republicans to get bills she wrote passed, merrily Jan 2016 #39
The GOP Hate McCain. CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #125
Republican Senators do not hate McCain, but that's irrelevant. merrily Jan 2016 #128
Bullshit enid602 Jan 2016 #51
I backed up my assertion. Get back to me when you back up yours. BTW, Obama merrily Jan 2016 #52
quixotic enid602 Jan 2016 #69
Still no back up? Sorry, no point reading more of your unsupported opinion. merrily Jan 2016 #73
It's hiarious--and it only took him a quarter century (and John McCain making the first move) MADem Jan 2016 #99
Thanks, Alfresco! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #6
What the heck are you going to post about when he does release details on his health care plan? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #9
I'll think of something. :-)) Alfresco Jan 2016 #12
Yep , it'll be back to safeinOhio Jan 2016 #18
I've not commented on his attempted combover. :-) Probably his non-support of the Democratic Party. Alfresco Jan 2016 #21
Yep I know what you mean. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #34
I'm glad we agree. Most Democrats support Hillary because she is best for the party and the U.S.A. Alfresco Jan 2016 #36
Now that's funny. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #72
Morning Joe had Trump on Protalker Jan 2016 #13
And Hill promises... SoapBox Jan 2016 #22
If you're really interested you could start here >> www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #24
Don't forget to refresh your browser regularly nxylas Jan 2016 #41
Good idea. She does come out with new and exciting proposals regularly. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #45
More bullshit from the same artist. 99Forever Jan 2016 #25
You didn't like the article? I am honored you called me an artist, a slight exaggeration I think. Alfresco Jan 2016 #31
Sometimes us amateur bs artists... 99Forever Jan 2016 #61
You underestimate yourself. Stand proud 99. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #71
Posting facts... CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #33
"Facts" my ass. 99Forever Jan 2016 #57
There you go. I knew you could do it. Pure artistry. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #78
I'm worried. CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #126
Your "concern" is noted. 99Forever Jan 2016 #129
jury results. zeemike Jan 2016 #123
Smoke, mirrors, and lies. Promises that can never be kept. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #26
Well, if it's hard to do, we should definitely back off. AllyCat Jan 2016 #37
Iowa Starting Line is run by a former 2008 Hillary campaign employee! CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #43
He has pro-Sanders articles on his site. I find his writing to be informative and unbiased. Alfresco Jan 2016 #56
He's a former Hillary staffer, and his articles are used CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #59
I now know where to go If I ever need and expert on Iowa politics. Alfresco Jan 2016 #75
By all means, if you consider CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #81
As opposed to you the resident DU Iowa expert on Iowa politics. :-) Yes. Alfresco Jan 2016 #85
I never positioned myself as an "expert" CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #87
You've said this several times catnhatnh Jan 2016 #88
Don't trust Bernie as far as I can throw him. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #48
I don't trust him that far. leftofcool Jan 2016 #67
You'd think political reporters would know there is a "Medicare For All" Senate bill Fawke Em Jan 2016 #62
Looked at Clinton's issue page. Tons of stuff listed with NO discussion of how to pay for it. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #66
IOW that we as a nation paid this kind of 'how are we going to pay for it?' scrutiny to wars. aidbo Jan 2016 #98
Or Homeland Security. Or the CIA. Or the FBI. Or the Secret Service. Or the NSA. merrily Jan 2016 #130
The last guy to use that line lost 49 states to the Republicans.... John Poet Jan 2016 #107
Anthony Weiner is endorsing Hillary azmom Jan 2016 #110
Does that surprise you? Alfresco Jan 2016 #111
It is also interesting that they accuse her wildeyed Jan 2016 #124
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