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Ichingcarpenter

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Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:28 AM Nov 2015

Doggerland in the news again [View all]

Thanks to Demeter in good reads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016138209#post2





Hunting for DNA in Doggerland, an Ancient Land Beneath the North Sea

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/hunting-for-dna-in-doggerland-an-ancient-land-beneath-the-north-sea/



.Archaeologists began looking at remote sensing data that these companies had gathered while seeking oil and gas. They had a 3D seismic dataset that shows distinct layers. “Imagine just cutting a nice big cake,” Gaffney says. “You can see the layers of sponge and cream—and of course on the bottom there’s oil in there somewhere.” The energy companies only care about the very bottom of the cake, but Gaffney and his colleagues focused on a layer closer to the frosting. Based on studies that had dated the sediment, they knew that between 30 and 50 meters under the sea floor lay the former surface of Doggerland.

Tracing this layer of sediment, the team mapped about 17,000 square miles of the drowned and buried country—an area, Gaffney says, “slightly larger than Holland.” In its topography they’ve found hills, coastlines, lakes and rivers. “But it’s a map without people at the moment, or animals or plants,” Gaffney says. That’s where the project’s next phase comes in.

The European Research Council recently awarded a team led by Gaffney a €2.5 million grant—about $2.6 million. Soon the scientists will head to sea. But they plan to do a lot more than just make maps. They’ll follow two of the country’s sunken river beds, taking core samples in search of pollen, fossils, insect remains, and other signs of life.

They’ll also hunt for ancient DNA. This technique is still new and somewhat controversial. In a paper in the journal Science last February, members of the same team described DNA they’d dug up at Bouldnor Cliff, a submerged site off the Isle of Wight. They found evidence of wheat from 8,000 years ago—about 2,000 years before farming arrived in mainland Britain. Other researchers argued that the wheat DNA must have been modern contamination. In the Doggerland samples, the team will look for DNA from crops or even domestic animals like sheep and goats. Gaffney says the findings might help identify the best spots to search for human archaeology—evidence of cleared areas, burning, or environments that would have made ideal settlements.

The samples will cover about 5,000 years of Doggerland’s history, from around 10,000 BC until the sea swallowed it...



Ghost Dog gave me this map in that OP
in which I added this



What's interesting with this timeline map is recent findings
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The Ness of Brodgar archaeological site in the Orkney Islands is almost a thousand years older than Stonehenge and the center for Neolithic Britain and shares some of the same cultural artifacts found there.

Now if we look at your map you can see that these islands in Northern Scotland were once mountain regions of early Doggerland that was first area destroyed by the first stage of the flooding in the timeline. In fact the earliest record of Neolithic Britain are all almost found in Scotland with some exceptions.

If you notice in your map the largest major river system in Doggerland is east of the Orkney's which would be a desirable place for human settlement.
Suggesting that the Orkney mountains is where they fled to during the flood.







And this is the location of after flood settlements and Ness of Brodgar plus
The Ring of Brodgar which The site has resisted attempts at scientific dating and the monument's age remains uncertain.





Ring of Brodgar much older than Stonehenge




About the ring
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Brodgar


The Ness of Brodgar reconstruction





The site today




wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ness_of_Brodgar


Also here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2081254/Stone-Age-temple-Orkney-significant-Stonehenge.html


I think that a underwater study of that flooded river system would be interesting.




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Doggerland in the news again [View all] Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 OP
The information and images demand to be studied. Completely wonderful. n/t Judi Lynn Dec 2015 #1
Reading another time germamba Aug 2016 #16
It's great to see your comments here. It appears that area has a real value for you. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #21
Passion for Orkney germamba Sep 2016 #22
Question germamba Oct 2016 #29
I found this article today: Orkneys Skara Brae shortlisted as UKs best heritage site Judi Lynn Feb 2017 #34
I don't want to create a friendship germamba Aug 2020 #75
Presentation germamba Apr 2016 #2
Welcome to DU, germamba! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #3
New question germamba Apr 2016 #4
Well, I'll give you a short conjecture and suppositions Ichingcarpenter Apr 2016 #5
I've read few lines but.... germamba Apr 2016 #6
I think this could be interesting germamba Apr 2016 #7
Fascinating GeoWilliam750 Jun 2016 #10
Another documentary germamba Sep 2016 #25
What a great surprise! I didn't see this video was available here until a moment ago. Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #27
If you're interested in megalithic culture Warpy Sep 2020 #79
Look at this!!! Is what I said you few weeks ago (the 5th of April). germamba Apr 2016 #8
Thank you for sharing this link! Excellent. Welcome to D.U. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author germamba Jun 2016 #9
Returned from Orkney germamba Jul 2016 #12
Wouldn't the ocean levels have also been reduced world wide so that RegexReader Jul 2016 #13
Another link about Doogerland germamba Aug 2016 #14
Very interesting information in your BBC article. Thank you. Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #15
You could go walking around Orkney by foot (long time ago) germamba Sep 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author germamba Aug 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author germamba Aug 2016 #18
You will need a photobucket. or similar account first. bluedigger Aug 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author germamba Sep 2016 #20
Photo of the Ness of Brodgar of 2016's summer germamba Sep 2016 #24
When I find some information, I remember to put it here germamba Oct 2016 #26
A friend of mine gave me this information about Doggerland germamba Oct 2016 #28
Suppositions germamba Oct 2016 #30
New discussion germamba Dec 2016 #31
I would love to read more, found a page of notes on the dig done there this year: Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #33
Fishing for Fossils in the North Sea: The Lost World of Doggerland Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #32
September 2019 germamba Jul 2020 #35
Have wondered repeatedly since your last post if you had gone there again! Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #36
I'm seriously thinking... germamba Jul 2020 #37
SCIENTISTS FIND NEW EVIDENCE OF LAND-SPLITTING TSUNAMI 8,150 YEARS AGO OFF ENGLAND'S COAST Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #38
I think it's a very interesting information germamba Jul 2020 #40
The structures up there look amazingly old, eroded by nature after so very much time. Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #41
It's been said germamba Jul 2020 #43
As a curious information germamba Jul 2020 #42
I hope human beings have learned far more about Orkney by the time someone finds your message! Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #44
Answers germamba Jul 2020 #45
I think your suspicion there were many people there originally is accurate. Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #46
Thanks germamba Jul 2020 #47
I only have a moment to post this link I just found. Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #48
New site germamba Jul 2020 #49
These links are amazing. It's taking a long time to examine them, have never heard this information. Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #51
About these sites: germamba Aug 2020 #52
Who I am germamba Aug 2020 #53
The scenary around Las Mdulas is amazing, unique rock formations, beautiful forests, wonderful! Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #55
I clicked over the link of facebook and it works germamba Aug 2020 #56
Information germamba Aug 2020 #57
Links germamba Aug 2020 #58
I'm planning to go again to Las Mdulas (I don't know when) germamba Aug 2020 #54
That would make an unforgettable adventure, in every way! Sorry I live incredibly far from the area! Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #60
I got the computer translation for this article, and it is astonishing! Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #59
HOLE germamba Aug 2020 #61
Enormous! Can't even imagine how much water would have been needed to do that. Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #62
I'm trying to send you a document about how they got water but.... germamba Aug 2020 #63
Just saw your comment, and sent the request. Great idea! Thanks. Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author germamba Aug 2020 #66
Video from YouTube with translation to English (maybe it can answer your questions about how.... germamba Aug 2020 #64
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I started at the beginning, and have been taking small parts to the translator. Interesting! Judi Lynn Aug 2020 #69
Question about North America germamba Aug 2020 #70
I reply myself in order to give information to other interested people germamba Aug 2020 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author germamba Sep 2020 #83
Another interesting site (this time from Neolithic).. germamba Jul 2020 #50
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Doggerland in N.G. germamba Aug 2020 #72
Another article germamba Aug 2020 #73
Doggerland- Island child of the Danes and Dutch germamba Aug 2020 #74
So little is understood about the mesolithic Warpy Aug 2020 #76
About information of Doggerland germamba Sep 2020 #77
This stuff is new enough that it's one of the few times Warpy Sep 2020 #78
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