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29. So there is a divine something or other

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and none of the religions or holy texts have it right to what it is?

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Christians; how do you regard Hinduism? [View all] edhopper Jun 2013 OP

Im not xtian, but i had an "encounter" with godess Kali darkangel218 Jun 2013 #1

I believe people have a right to the religion of their choosing newfie11 Jun 2013 #2

I wish more people shared your position. cbayer Jun 2013 #4

My religion keeps me busy enough... goldent Jun 2013 #3

ding dongs aren't candy dlwickham Jun 2013 #417

Hostess' advertising agency in the 1970s would not agree with you. goldent Jun 2013 #420

In other words edhopper Jun 2013 #427

Those are "other words," I'll give you that much. goldent Jun 2013 #481

Not responding was your best option. cleanhippie Jul 2013 #537

Which do you find more difficult? Spelling or typing? Christain=Christian and goods=gods. shraby Jun 2013 #5

Thanks for the corrections edhopper Jun 2013 #6

What about mentally harmful? cleanhippie Jul 2013 #538

So you all want to miss the point edhopper Jun 2013 #7

I am curious if you have had a problem a Hindu believer newfie11 Jun 2013 #8

I don't think their beliefs are any different from Christians edhopper Jun 2013 #10

Ok newfie11 Jun 2013 #14

That's what I think too. hardcover Jun 2013 #277

"can be valid and true" Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #12

The only role of doubt I see edhopper Jun 2013 #19

That definition is specific to you Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #26

Most responses are of the edhopper Jun 2013 #28

Why would you say that they are contradictory? cbayer Jun 2013 #15

So there is no reality to your beliefs? edhopper Jun 2013 #21

I don't think religious beliefs can be classified as real or unreal. cbayer Jun 2013 #32

Your "god" and the "gods" of Hindus skepticscott Jun 2013 #98

Now, now, now edhopper Jun 2013 #101

Wow, I forgot all about skepticscott Jun 2013 #103

Rubbish. LTX Jun 2013 #150

If you want to play word games, fine skepticscott Jun 2013 #154

If I am reading you correctly (and I may not be, of course), LTX Jun 2013 #163

My point is that the "gods" of Hinduism skepticscott Jun 2013 #192

Thanks for the clarification. LTX Jun 2013 #193

Alphabets are sets of symbols skepticscott Jun 2013 #467

I think you are overstating your case. LTX Jun 2013 #496

If alphabets are not arbitrary skepticscott Jun 2013 #497

Convince me that they would not. LTX Jun 2013 #498

Nice job of moving the goalposts skepticscott Jun 2013 #500

Well, if that is your (very narrow) claim, then fine. LTX Jun 2013 #501

Alphabets exist skepticscott Jun 2013 #515

Been drinking a bit? n/t LTX Jun 2013 #518

As I think about it, perhaps the issue can be phrased better. LTX Jun 2013 #502

Madame Bovary is something called fiction edhopper Jun 2013 #155

Snark, without a whit of understanding. LTX Jun 2013 #168

As scott said edhopper Jun 2013 #173

What you label "word games" LTX Jun 2013 #183

Nice fake indignation edhopper Jun 2013 #202

Oh but I do understand from real books and the Madame Bovary. LTX Jun 2013 #227

Have you seen Warren Shibles's book-length annotated bibliography on the subject of metaphor? patrice Jun 2013 #423

It's a fiction that a middle-class woman can mistake fashion and possessions and a disingenuous patrice Jun 2013 #413

Yes, there is an underlying reality; where do those minds and imaginations of believers exist? patrice Jun 2013 #220

The fact that the minds of the people imagining gods exist skepticscott Jun 2013 #232

"...only a single path to salvation...." Deep13 Jun 2013 #279

Whatever. I'm not here to defend fundamentalist christian belief systems. cbayer Jun 2013 #284

You ccontinue to think that the concept edhopper Jun 2013 #298

LOL. It's a 2006 AP/AOL poll of 1,000 people about angels. cbayer Jun 2013 #344

What percentage of Americans do you think believe in angels? trotsky Jun 2013 #386

Plain and simple it has no impact on my belief as a Christian, none. Leontius Jun 2013 #44

It's not necessary to reconcile anything. They are entitled to their reality and I'm entitled shraby Jun 2013 #45

So like the Republicans edhopper Jun 2013 #49

OMG! Did you really just go there? cbayer Jun 2013 #149

I think the point of my question is quite clear edhopper Jun 2013 #151

Your point is quite clear Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #156

So challenging a believer's faith is baiting? edhopper Jun 2013 #157

Who said faith gets special protection from questioning? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #164

First edhopper Jun 2013 #171

Who says their faith is "better" than others? That's your assumption. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #178

This question edhopper Jun 2013 #205

Faith Bater? cleanhippie Jul 2013 #539

Yes the point of your question is quite clear - to challenge people's faith. cbayer Jun 2013 #159

I called no one a Republican edhopper Jun 2013 #161

Sure you did, but that's neither here nor there. cbayer Jun 2013 #167

No, I said edhopper Jun 2013 #176

OMG! You just completely avoided my question. cbayer Jun 2013 #179

do the number of creationist matter to the fact of evolution. edhopper Jun 2013 #262

No, it doesn't answer it at all. cbayer Jun 2013 #264

I do not base what I think about God on faith or believe edhopper Jun 2013 #289

Then you have established for yourself a strong basis for your atheism. cbayer Jun 2013 #291

No I don't base it on my "experiences" edhopper Jun 2013 #297

And everyone else is delusional, perhaps even schizophrenic. cbayer Jun 2013 #346

cbayer, I have to hand it to you, defacto7 Jun 2013 #392

How do you think this post throws shit in the fan. cbayer Jun 2013 #403

You really missed the point of my question. edhopper Jun 2013 #428

"I think you are...not the slightest interested in being honest OR tolerant." cleanhippie Jul 2013 #540

You're not trying very hard to live in a fact-based world in this thread. okasha Jun 2013 #451

Learn what? edhopper Jun 2013 #458

Learn that the issue you're attempting to raise here okasha Jun 2013 #512

So why respond at all edhopper Jun 2013 #523

To point out to you okasha Jun 2013 #525

I meant if it is a nonissue to so many edhopper Jun 2013 #531

question arely staircase Jun 2013 #445

No you are far off. Conservative Jewish edhopper Jun 2013 #457

Yes. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #482

Well, it sounds like you are a firmly rooted atheist. cbayer Jun 2013 #495

To the extent that religious belief is personal, I'm okay with it. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #499

So I would say that your religious non-beliefs are personal and would cbayer Jun 2013 #520

I think that analogy Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #435

Yeah, edhopper Jun 2013 #437

It's interesting to think Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #450

I think reality is reality edhopper Jun 2013 #459

I'd like to think about this Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #473

Why scince works so well edhopper Jun 2013 #474

I have absolutely no problem with science Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #475

Yes, again. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #508

I can certainly agree with that Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #532

One of my favorite movies and one that profoundly changed my life is Rashomon. cbayer Jun 2013 #470

Interesting Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #472

Definitely take a look and let me know what you think. cbayer Jun 2013 #478

I would recommend Kurosawa Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #480

I believe I've seen Seven Samuri Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #483

Congrats on the bambino! cbayer Jun 2013 #494

I am not going to stop believing in Christianity because a majority does not believe in it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #9

Do you think all their gods are real? edhopper Jun 2013 #11

Whatever the divine is in the end all our prayers go to the same place. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #13

Which is a complete non answer. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #31

Read post 34. Maybe it is a better answer. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #35

Does it matter what others think newfie11 Jun 2013 #16

How do I know they are praying to entities who aren't there..for all I know I am too. shraby Jun 2013 #46

Why do the believers here continue to talk about an argument not in discussion? edhopper Jun 2013 #17

Why are you just asking Christians this question? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #18

It is immaterial to atheist edhopper Jun 2013 #22

Rewrite the question to address me Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #24

Ok all I can say is I believe my religion with all my heart. I do not know why I do but I do. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #25

Because this is a forum that encourages the meeting of thoughts, rather than mere Q&A /nt demwing Jun 2013 #51

No it is a discussion forum edhopper Jun 2013 #53

It is what it is, regardless of our definitions demwing Jun 2013 #58

Or that they simply don't want to think about edhopper Jun 2013 #59

You're right. It's about you. demwing Jun 2013 #68

It's from edhopper Jun 2013 #78

Is it? You know what I think? I think... demwing Jun 2013 #81

:) edhopper Jun 2013 #82

I don't know about you demwing Jun 2013 #87

To each his own. There are so many religions out there asjr Jun 2013 #20

And how do the reconcile their beliefs edhopper Jun 2013 #23

I accept others have other ideas on the divine than I do. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #27

So there is a divine something or other edhopper Jun 2013 #29

I would say we have our own ideas and believe them firmly but some can accept that it is hrmjustin Jun 2013 #34

Has it occurred to you that all of them have it right as to what it is? LTX Jun 2013 #189

No edhopper Jun 2013 #194

What do you mean all right? That we are mentally not right or just wrong on our opinion? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #196

All of them are correct. edhopper Jun 2013 #200

Just to be clear you believe not only that religious people are wrong when they believe God has hrmjustin Jun 2013 #201

No edhopper Jun 2013 #203

Ok. Thanks for clarrifying. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #204

What is your view edhopper Jun 2013 #206

I just let them be. But we should not make excuses like the devil made me do it. We need to account hrmjustin Jun 2013 #208

well said arely staircase Jun 2013 #402

Agree. patrice Jun 2013 #418

To me that is the problem with all of them. They all have strong beliefs. asjr Jun 2013 #30

Who says they have to? Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #305

I am trying to think of what edhopper Jun 2013 #312

Enlighten me. Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #313

No thanks. edhopper Jun 2013 #315

Well, I found your OP nonsense and I took the time Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #322

You must be a better person than me. edhopper Jun 2013 #325

Why should they have to? okasha Jun 2013 #341

Your chance of getting an actual explicit answer: 0.01. Nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #33

Perhaps because there is no actual explicit answer and no one here is invested cbayer Jun 2013 #36

Perhaps, or perhaps all the religious people here find the honest answer embarrassing? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #37

What do you imagine the *honest* answer to be? cbayer Jun 2013 #38

The honest answer of a true believer is that the other gods are bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #40

But there are believers here who don't see it that way, cbayer Jun 2013 #41

Except that their posts aren't "answers" skepticscott Jun 2013 #102

it's just the one he likes best okasha Jun 2013 #107

Yes, and it reeks of shit. Nice way to bait an argument tho. n/t Inkfreak Jun 2013 #127

Nice way to avoid edhopper Jun 2013 #130

It seems to be a regular sport around here. cbayer Jun 2013 #134

I saw that a new thread was created in another "religion" group for discussion of this thread goldent Jun 2013 #141

A call to arms. Some things are best ignored, imo. cbayer Jun 2013 #143

I thought "calls to arms" were against DU rules. okasha Jun 2013 #511

Used to be, but no longer. cbayer Jun 2013 #519

I don't think I have edhopper Jun 2013 #152

It's because there is almost zero discussion in this thread of the actual question asked in the op. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #165

I think I have answered the questions here. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #242

I think that you have too Lordquinton Jun 2013 #252

Good I just responded to another of your post a sec ago. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #257

Who are you to say that. I would never say such a thing. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #42

I'll let John speak for your god. And then Isaiah. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #70

What is it you want me to say that they are all false God's. I will not! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #72

Your bible clearly does. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #73

You are under the misconception I believe everything in the bible. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #74

Do you believe that your god is the one true god? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #75

I believe in the Trinitarian God. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #76

So you won't tell them what you actually believe. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #92

In all fairness edhopper Jun 2013 #97

I don't understand you! Do you want me to people they believe in false God's. That would be plain hrmjustin Jun 2013 #106

I don't care at all what you say to other people. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #111

I have stated my beliefs. If it is not good enough for anyone that is not my problem. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #114

Yes you have edhopper Jun 2013 #117

Good then you know what it is and I won't have to explain it again. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #118

I think I do edhopper Jun 2013 #121

Well now you have it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #123

For the umptheenth time edhopper Jun 2013 #113

What do I think of their faith? I think it is cool. I think it is an ancient honorable faith. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #116

But you don't believe their gods edhopper Jun 2013 #119

No I have said this already. I believe in Christianity. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #120

Okay edhopper Jun 2013 #122

Ok hrmjustin Jun 2013 #124

I think most faiths are an attempt by human beings to answer thucythucy Jun 2013 #275

I appreciate your long thoughtful post edhopper Jun 2013 #287

Your link simply says that the majority of those polled, thucythucy Jun 2013 #310

I appreciated your response edhopper Jun 2013 #314

Do you know, and would it matter to you, that some of those views you "believe in your heart"... eomer Jun 2013 #357

There 2000 years of stories of Christians killing others because they did not believe how they did. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #359

I wasn't imagining that you would change your views. I was hoping you would offer some thoughts eomer Jun 2013 #366

Trinitarian thought has been around a long time and would have developed in peace and in war. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #367

If Trinitarianism had lost the war with Unitarianism then you would be a Unitarian. eomer Jun 2013 #368

If I had a few more brain cells I might have thought of it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #369

Of course not. Of the millions of people who are Trinitarians, many are brilliant. eomer Jun 2013 #370

I was making a joke! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #371

Someone did also think of Unitarianism. The point isn't whether someone would think of it. eomer Jun 2013 #372

Ok well I am sorry for the humor but there really nothing I can say because I believe it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #374

We are doing something about it by discussing it. eomer Jun 2013 #379

Point taken! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #380

Thanks for engaging with me. eomer Jun 2013 #381

Your welcome. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #382

Don't mind at all, I'm a member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation. eomer Jun 2013 #384

I love going to UU churches. The people and clerg are friendly and they don't push nothing on you. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #385

Yes, it's interesting that my wife and I both felt like we had come home... eomer Jun 2013 #389

I was raised RC and changed to Episcopalian at 18. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #390

We've had nice experiences at Episcopalian churches. eomer Jun 2013 #396

It is sort of the chestnuts roasting on an open fire type of church. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #397

If I may interject ... Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #395

Do you know, and does it matter to you okasha Jun 2013 #452

Yes I do know, and yes it does matter. eomer Jun 2013 #460

Just how responsible do you want to be held? okasha Jun 2013 #509

Something as radical as that, but probably a bit different. eomer Jun 2013 #521

Actually what you were suggesting to justin okasha Jun 2013 #526

Actually I meant it a bit more generally than that, but you're right - that's what follows for me. eomer Jun 2013 #527

So perhaps okasha Jun 2013 #528

That depends on what you mean by North American "democracy". eomer Jun 2013 #529

Last paragraph okasha Jun 2013 #534

This would be a better discussion in its own thread Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #522

Interesting, thanks. eomer Jun 2013 #530

I'm not sure I can give a good recommendation Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #533

I don't think that's a fair assessment, WS. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #506

I should have put quotes around "True Believer". Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #507

There has to be circular reasoning, I think. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #514

Embarrassed by what? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #39

DU knows me as Demwing demwing Jun 2013 #43

A post that truly needs a recommend. Too bad we can't do that. shraby Jun 2013 #47

I'd give it a recommend, too. okasha Jun 2013 #108

That only makes a molecule of sense if skepticscott Jun 2013 #104

And if that is true edhopper Jun 2013 #112

What makes sense to you is for you to determine, not me demwing Jun 2013 #115

They're your claims and your arguments skepticscott Jun 2013 #125

The post was given as a specific answer to a specific question demwing Jun 2013 #128

It is not necessary for something to be "blobbish" to be experienced from different perspectives. patrice Jun 2013 #410

nice post /nt demwing Jun 2013 #426

And six people looking at the object skepticscott Jun 2013 #468

Well, hell, I'm going to Rec! that. :-) patrice Jun 2013 #415

Our role is not to judge, Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #48

Not the quetion at all edhopper Jun 2013 #50

Listen dude, and listen carefully...... shraby Jun 2013 #52

I am sorry edhopper Jun 2013 #54

You're missing the whole point. You're the one giving special treatment to religion. shraby Jun 2013 #56

Yeah, well, like, that's your opinion man. edhopper Jun 2013 #61

And the Jihads Lordquinton Jun 2013 #138

Yeah, the op is dangerous. It could start a holy war! Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #169

Uhm, that thinking is part of the core of Christianity, and exclusions... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #424

Was "expouse" meant to mean "expose" or "espouse?" 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2013 #535

"You have the right to engage in your activity, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action." demwing Jun 2013 #55

If your question is how do I regard Hinduism my responds is with respect and adoration. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #57

So the exact quesion is, "How do you regard Hinduism?" Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #131

Context edhopper Jun 2013 #135

If you were to be honest, your post here would be... cbayer Jun 2013 #136

The question is edhopper Jun 2013 #153

I don't need to reconcile anything. cbayer Jun 2013 #158

I have no beliefs edhopper Jun 2013 #160

But what you are hearing here flies in the face of what you think is true. cbayer Jun 2013 #162

No what i see here is people edhopper Jun 2013 #166

Perhaps the people at DU value the public sphere more than you think Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #170

Perhaps edhopper Jun 2013 #172

Then why don't you trust their responses? Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #182

Exactly. You are seeing just what you anticipated seeing. cbayer Jun 2013 #174

So you are agnostic edhopper Jun 2013 #175

If I had to choose a label, which I am not particularly interested in doing, cbayer Jun 2013 #177

Seeking truth edhopper Jun 2013 #195

You keep saying "not real" but you don't know whether that is true or not. cbayer Jun 2013 #235

I know that there is not one edhopper Jun 2013 #239

No one here has asked for exemption from questioning cbayer Jun 2013 #256

Then why are you trying to answer a question that was directed at Christians? Lordquinton Jun 2013 #260

Probably for some the same reason self-described atheists are answering it. cbayer Jun 2013 #267

I used Christians because I think edhopper Jun 2013 #290

One can also substitute atheism. cbayer Jun 2013 #292

Sure, we do it all the time edhopper Jun 2013 #294

The exact same statement can, and is, made by people of faith (edited) cbayer Jun 2013 #295

When asked why they believe edhopper Jun 2013 #296

Ed H. So the context of yor question is? Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #188

That's a damn fine biopsy of the thread. rug Jun 2013 #191

Necropsy. okasha Jun 2013 #453

Thank you for answering this time edhopper Jun 2013 #199

live and let live- no question about it lunasun Jun 2013 #60

Not even remotely what I asked edhopper Jun 2013 #62

What exactly are you asking? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #63

This edhopper Jun 2013 #64

Here hrmjustin Jun 2013 #65

What happened to "how do you regard Hinduism?" Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #66

Hinduism was chosen for the purposes of discussion edhopper Jun 2013 #67

Was my answer helpful or not what you weree looking for? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #85

In terms of your own beliefs edhopper Jun 2013 #88

Well I would call mself a devote Christian but I am not a conservative one, but I think hrmjustin Jun 2013 #90

Yes and I apologize for the snark comment lunasun Jun 2013 #186

Accepted edhopper Jun 2013 #197

to each their own... madrchsod Jun 2013 #69

Hinduism is so diverse. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #71

I know edhopper Jun 2013 #79

Hinduism is not strictly speaking polytheistic. rug Jun 2013 #77

I am aware edhopper Jun 2013 #80

There is a better answer that the Hare Krishna should have given demwing Jun 2013 #84

That's a fine answer but it does allow cheeseburgers. rug Jun 2013 #86

By that philosophy, there is no "living" thing that does not possess a soul. demwing Jun 2013 #93

What about Carrots? Lordquinton Jun 2013 #139

That's a very western idea demwing Jun 2013 #142

So it's ok to eat some things with souls Lordquinton Jun 2013 #144

"OK"? - Not the term I would choose demwing Jun 2013 #181

Next you'll say that many Christians worship... MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #94

I'm still trying to figure out who "us" is. rug Jun 2013 #96

I think that is edhopper Jun 2013 #100

Several Species of Small Furry Animals MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #109

! rug Jun 2013 #126

I'd better start repenting like a sonofabitch MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #132

Whoa someone got a bad batch of acid in the 70's !! lunasun Jun 2013 #184

You'd have to check the edit history of the bible Lordquinton Jun 2013 #140

No, the plural has been there and was the subject of much scholarship and controversy. rug Jun 2013 #145

There's a good followup question to the first Lordquinton Jun 2013 #146

How about it's a glimpse into what God is? rug Jun 2013 #147

So let's hear the main question answered again. Lordquinton Jun 2013 #148

This. rug Jun 2013 #187

You do realise that while it may seem like a coy answer Lordquinton Jun 2013 #198

Why do you feel inferior? rug Jun 2013 #210

"No religion teaches it contains the whole and entire truth." edhopper Jun 2013 #212

Yes, of course I do. rug Jun 2013 #213

Are you really saying edhopper Jun 2013 #215

Yes I am. rug Jun 2013 #217

I see edhopper Jun 2013 #219

Uhm, you do know that your own church claims exactly what you claim it doesn't... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #425

Uhm, you do know that the church you left does not claim to possess all truth. rug Jun 2013 #431

But it does claim edhopper Jun 2013 #432

That's true. rug Jun 2013 #433

So you see the point of my question edhopper Jun 2013 #434

I do see your point but it's a misplaced one. rug Jun 2013 #438

Good thoughts edhopper Jun 2013 #464

Consistency, coherence and outcome. rug Jun 2013 #471

Your using that quote like a 21st century rationalist. It wasn't written by such; nor was it patrice Jun 2013 #421

I will try to say this again edhopper Jun 2013 #430

You know a lot about straw men Lordquinton Jun 2013 #221

I do. I've seen enough of them. rug Jun 2013 #224

Also comes up when people haven't answered a question Lordquinton Jun 2013 #226

I'm sure you'll find your answer in the 13 posts in this thread alone. rug Jun 2013 #231

What about it? Lordquinton Jun 2013 #233

Look, these are the rules. rug Jun 2013 #236

For that to be the case, you'd have to supply an answer Lordquinton Jun 2013 #241

No, what you've gotten are answers and discomfort. rug Jun 2013 #243

Distractions aren't answers Lordquinton Jun 2013 #250

Too bad for you nobody said red. rug Jun 2013 #253

No, they didn't like the question Lordquinton Jun 2013 #271

It was better without the edit. rug Jun 2013 #274

Maybe it was Lordquinton Jun 2013 #276

Christians question God all the time. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #255

why do you accept that edhopper Jun 2013 #263

I have faith that it happened. I believe that Jesus walked the earth and was here to save us. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #265

I find it very refreshing that you can give an answer Lordquinton Jun 2013 #272

Others may not agree with you but thanks for the complement. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #273

So my question is pertinant edhopper Jun 2013 #288

Well as I said before I generally accept others have different opinions from me on faith so I would hrmjustin Jun 2013 #300

Yes edhopper Jun 2013 #301

Your welcome my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #302

'us' here is 'Elohim' .. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #493

Why do you think that word was used? rug Jun 2013 #504

as with many/most names of supernatural beings in the torah.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #516

I really like that point about validity and truth. & Yes, Hinduism has an ultimate trinity: Brahma, patrice Jun 2013 #225

i dunno MFM008 Jun 2013 #83

this thread does more to expose the intellectual dishonesty and logical failings of believers... mike_c Jun 2013 #89

Except that edhopper Jun 2013 #91

I gave a very straight forward answer demwing Jun 2013 #95

So you see none of them as real, edhopper Jun 2013 #99

No, I see ALL of them as real demwing Jun 2013 #105

I should have used literal edhopper Jun 2013 #110

Care to be more specific? rug Jun 2013 #133

If the critique of religion is that it is not rational, why on Earth would anyone expect logical patrice Jun 2013 #228

Here's a summary of the various conceptions of their fate: dimbear Jun 2013 #129

I think all of those Gods exist or existed. LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #137

Well my friend, you answered your own question Peacetrain Jun 2013 #180

I love wishing Hindus many happy returns on their birthday! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #185

Did you get what you wanted from this thread? hrmjustin Jun 2013 #190

I did not know what I would get edhopper Jun 2013 #207

The Christian next door told me Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #209

As our beloved President Clinton said edhopper Jun 2013 #211

They dance around this well. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #214

What I was rslly trying to get at edhopper Jun 2013 #216

It's an irrational value judgment based on faith. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #218

I do not believe non-christians go to hell. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #223

Unfortunately edhopper Jun 2013 #230

This is true, but if there is a God they are not it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #234

They have to. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2013 #536

I'm still not sure why anyone thinks that anything that could be said on this topic could be patrice Jun 2013 #222

You know? edhopper Jun 2013 #229

You seem to think that you know. cbayer Jun 2013 #237

Keep telling yourself that edhopper Jun 2013 #240

Tell myself what? That you keep making dogmatic statements? cbayer Jun 2013 #246

It's called ahteism edhopper Jun 2013 #248

But you come off as gnostic. cbayer Jun 2013 #254

if i wasn't sure about the existence of gods edhopper Jun 2013 #258

the irony is rich arely staircase Jun 2013 #444

I agree. And that rather common mistake obviates the essence of rationalism too. It doesn't patrice Jun 2013 #244

It's impossible to debate or discuss with dogma. cbayer Jun 2013 #247

I think it would be helpful if more people had just at least an orientation on linguistics and patrice Jun 2013 #249

That's my point. What some people call belief appears to be a type of knowing to me, not patrice Jun 2013 #238

Thanks for explaining further edhopper Jun 2013 #245

You are welcome. I hope you don't take this thread too personally. There's just so very much patrice Jun 2013 #251

if i were to be truly offended edhopper Jun 2013 #259

Christians on DU won't accept the core beliefs of Christianity. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #261

Why did you link to an advocacy group, not an academic study? Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #266

Then why don't you tell us what the Christian doctrines are? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #268

I am neither a Christian nor a scholar of Christianity. eom. Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #270

Where do you get this stuff? cbayer Jun 2013 #286

Talk to any Catholic edhopper Jun 2013 #299

Hasn't been limited at all. if this refers only to Catholicism then why cbayer Jun 2013 #343

Matthew 22:36-40 demwing Jun 2013 #304

Sure edhopper Jun 2013 #319

Granted, I'm no Christian demwing Jun 2013 #323

I'll go along with you there. edhopper Jun 2013 #324

Wow. What an ugly post cbayer Jun 2013 #285

Perhaps you're unaware okasha Jun 2013 #513

You might want to check out the work of Rev. Dr. Christopher Duraisingh, thucythucy Jun 2013 #269

When I was a believer, I fooled myself into thinking... Deep13 Jun 2013 #278

Think of it as a roulette game where in your entire life you get one chip. Only thing unusual- dimbear Jun 2013 #280

cash in without playing and buy an ice cream cone. nt Deep13 Jun 2013 #281

Your logic is flawed. demwing Jun 2013 #306

I assume both are factually accurate. Deep13 Jun 2013 #454

They are both valid, that's correct demwing Jun 2013 #456

All of that is YOUR words & the words of those whom you find agreeable. Since faith is not reason, patrice Jun 2013 #364

Yeah, I never really accepted the "linguistic turn" in historical theory. Deep13 Jun 2013 #455

It's just one of those things, as you have confirmed... trotsky Jun 2013 #282

All that has been confirmed from me is that I believe my religion and others believe in theirs. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #308

As an outside observer, that is exactly what I see. trotsky Jun 2013 #320

"That's the pat on the head." hrmjustin Jun 2013 #321

And other believers may find it insulting if you think that Jesus died to forgive their sins. trotsky Jun 2013 #326

I don't tell them that. If my opinion is asked I give it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #327

You don't tell them that, but you believe it. trotsky Jun 2013 #330

I confirmed this a long time ago. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #332

what does it say about someone if they are insulted by what others think? arely staircase Jun 2013 #329

telling others what they "secretly believe" is the patronizing pat on the head arely staircase Jun 2013 #441

hrmjustin admitted he did. trotsky Jun 2013 #442

why is it so important to you arely staircase Jun 2013 #443

What's important is that people be honest. trotsky Jun 2013 #446

were you once a member of a fundamentalist or evangelical denomination? arely staircase Jun 2013 #447

Nope, and since you cannot talk about the issues but instead want to attack me, trotsky Jun 2013 #448

i dont believe i have ever attacked you personally arely staircase Jun 2013 #449

Ah, the old edhopper Jun 2013 #465

no, it is the literalist thinking arely staircase Jun 2013 #466

It's a discussion forum edhopper Jun 2013 #477

proselytizing with the passion of a true believer in something arely staircase Jun 2013 #479

How dare I edhopper Jun 2013 #488

Not everybody Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #484

Not sure how that follows from what I posted, trotsky Jun 2013 #489

I regard it with respect Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #283

It's not about questioning their beliefs edhopper Jun 2013 #293

Why do I need to question anybody's theology? Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #348

I fail to see how the quantity of people believing in something that I believe is untrue Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #303

It's a trap demwing Jun 2013 #307

He can try all he wants. Common Sense Party Jun 2013 #311

My sex life is none edhopper Jun 2013 #317

Its about how you can trust you subjective belief edhopper Jun 2013 #316

Any religion that is sustained by a caste system is inherently corrupt. OregonBlue Jun 2013 #309

Okay edhopper Jun 2013 #318

I believe: arely staircase Jun 2013 #328

I believe mamsdad Jun 2013 #331

Welcome to DU and welcome to the religion room. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #333

The question is not about a littany of what you believe edhopper Jun 2013 #335

i know, and i answered that as well arely staircase Jun 2013 #338

welcome to du arely staircase Jun 2013 #339

So you don't want to think about edhopper Jun 2013 #334

"Maybe I am wrong and they are right" - but you agree that you cannot both be right? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #342

i don't know arely staircase Jun 2013 #350

1. "Hindu" is a placeholder for "incompatible religious belief system". Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #363

well it would seem to me I am being asked to say that either they or I are wrong arely staircase Jun 2013 #365

This is a great post, arely staircase. You have said it much better than I cbayer Jun 2013 #373

thank you arely staircase Jun 2013 #387

Again, the issue is not "do you respect your Hindu neighbor". Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #388

they are not incompatible arely staircase Jun 2013 #391

So religion is entirely an internal construct with no external reality? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #394

maybe arely staircase Jun 2013 #398

There are several possibilities that explain all these incompatible religious belief systems Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #404

with a whole bunch of "buts" and "howevers" arely staircase Jun 2013 #406

There's no denial Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #485

I am quite aware that most people live an unexamined life. Nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #486

So you answer Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #487

I am not asking about squaring with other faiths edhopper Jun 2013 #490

This I appreciate Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #491

Thanks edhopper Jun 2013 #492

Ed, why don't they answer the question? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #336

I think their faith edhopper Jun 2013 #337

i answered his question arely staircase Jun 2013 #340

How do you reconcile that with Xtianity? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #345

Not all Christians believe in hell. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #347

"Not all"? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #349

I believe in the apostles creed. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #351

exactly arely staircase Jun 2013 #353

Every believer takes what they want from the words of the creed as is our right. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #354

take the decent into hell part arely staircase Jun 2013 #355

I like it. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #356

and that is cool too arely staircase Jun 2013 #358

That is right my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #360

i have always loved this quote and it instructs my walk with Christ arely staircase Jun 2013 #361

I love it! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #362

I like the way the one that is supposed to be engraved on his headstone ends: patrice Jun 2013 #383

I don't believe in a literal heaven or hell arely staircase Jun 2013 #352

If Jesus is an absolute truth, how would he NOT be accessible to anyone whether they call "him" patrice Jun 2013 #376

Er, because they don't believe that? cbayer Jun 2013 #375

don't believe what specifically? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #377

Don't believe "that their faith is more true than somebody else's". cbayer Jun 2013 #401

so you don't believe in The Great Commission? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2013 #407

I've never even heard of the Great Commission. cbayer Jun 2013 #408

it comes from matthew arely staircase Jun 2013 #411

While I have never heard the term, the definition you give is essentially what I was cbayer Jun 2013 #412

it is used by fundamentalists as a reason to pester people, arely staircase Jun 2013 #414

Thans for the explanation. cbayer Jun 2013 #416

I know this wasn't addressed to me arely staircase Jun 2013 #409

Don't confuse dogma with what has been attached to dogma for various reasons that patrice Jun 2013 #405

I'm actually into Hinduism's non-dual Advait Vedanta philosophy deutsey Jun 2013 #378

you are going to hell! arely staircase Jun 2013 #393

They are as entitled to 840high Jun 2013 #399

and what of your fellow Christians edhopper Jun 2013 #400

Modern science can tell us that the Earth is 6,000 years old. They can believe what they want but hrmjustin Jun 2013 #422

My question is edhopper Jun 2013 #429

You have answered your own question my friend. One can always be wrong. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #440

Thanks edhopper Jun 2013 #461

Some people don't live there religion as much as they use it as a crutch. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #462

May I try to answer the question as if I were a believer? defacto7 Jun 2013 #419

The Jewish people's edhopper Jun 2013 #436

It's inaccurate to described Judaism as a faith Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #439

While I appreciate the reponse edhopper Jun 2013 #463

When we were 13, Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #469

It depends on the Jew edhopper Jun 2013 #476

I hope I can add to this discussion by explaining what is it that Hinduism teaches Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #503

That's quite lovely. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #505

Very true. Those two countires are dominated by Muslims Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #510

It is a pattern that has repeated itself over our history. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #517

Thank you that is enlightening edhopper Jun 2013 #524