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LuvLoogie

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139. Many people of faith believe the physical world is real.

Sat Apr 28, 2018, 03:36 PM

Apr 2018

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Many incorporate spiritual knowledge into their decision making, having seen evidence that cause and effect is not a zero sum game where the human condition is concerned. If will can trump instinct, then the outcome is always in question, regardless of intent. People succeed in spite of the odds. People fail in spite of the optimum conditions.

Spirit drives perseverance over failure, forms new equations, creates the math that results in success because we have faith that it can.

Religious doctrine is not faith. The Bible is human allegory. Some use it as a crutch or an excuse. And some ridicule it to negate the power of faith.

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Is faith superior to knowledge based on physical evidence? [View all] MineralMan Apr 2018 OP

Each has a place. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1

That was not my question. MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

Here is an answer: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #25

No. It's not. MineralMan Apr 2018 #29

Sarcasm and condescension? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32

Only where warranted. MineralMan Apr 2018 #100

No Gothmog Apr 2018 #3

Thank you. MineralMan Apr 2018 #4

Why Judaism Embraces Science Gothmog Apr 2018 #9

That's well-stated. Thanks. MineralMan Apr 2018 #11

You just violated the 11th commandment marylandblue Apr 2018 #109

The shame is palpable, indeed. MineralMan Apr 2018 #111

No matter how flexible, organized religion still tries to hamstring science Major Nikon Apr 2018 #12

No. But assuming an absolute answer is equally erroneous. Your answer exists in your head. dameatball Apr 2018 #5

I didn't ask for an absolute answer. MineralMan Apr 2018 #8

It certainly sounds like you did, but at any rate Brainstormy Apr 2018 #17

An excellent answer. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22

Knowledge based on physical evidence can change when new evidence is presented. trotsky Apr 2018 #97

"Then saith he to Thomas... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #6

Thomas lacked faith and demanded proof. MineralMan Apr 2018 #10

This midrasch (sp?) is sort on point Gothmog Apr 2018 #13

Another fine story. MineralMan Apr 2018 #21

Generally speaking does nonsense become more valid as more believe it? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #19

There is strength in numbers, but not truth, MineralMan Apr 2018 #23

Thats why its a fallacy Major Nikon Apr 2018 #35

It is not nonsense to a believer. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #24

I said generally speaking Major Nikon Apr 2018 #30

God - green cheese. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #34

Im not saying they are Major Nikon Apr 2018 #38

If I believed the moon was made of green cheese... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #43

So the difference is falsifiability, yes? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #49

No. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #52

So you are now claiming falsifiability isnt different between the two? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #56

So eating moonrocks is a shaky way to decide they aren't cheese? marylandblue Apr 2018 #58

The great thing about scientific proof is... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #73

Personally I wouldn't call closed mindedness superior, YMMV Major Nikon Apr 2018 #85

So it's better just to keep "faith" and ignore facts? marylandblue Apr 2018 #94

There are billions of Christians who think God is a Trinity marylandblue Apr 2018 #53

There are billions and billions of believers. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #57

So its not reasonable to assume the vast majority of Muslims are monotheists? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #59

Do you want to dispute and argue with them... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #74

So now you're the one claiming to know what every one of them believes Major Nikon Apr 2018 #83

You asked for evidence about the beliefs of billions of people marylandblue Apr 2018 #60

See - you didn't go with the "green cheese" argument, either. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #62

See post 58, I got you eating moonrocks marylandblue Apr 2018 #63

That is an excellent idea. Mariana Apr 2018 #61

I believe that divisive, intolerant attacks on people of faith... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #64

Sure, and I believe that Donald Trump sucks eggs marylandblue Apr 2018 #107

Maybe y'all should just go ahead and answer the questions directed at me... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #113

You can answer any way you like marylandblue Apr 2018 #114

Oh, he understands them, I'm pretty sure. Mariana Apr 2018 #119

When all the stories in the Bible edhopper Apr 2018 #67

Among people of faith Mariana Apr 2018 #26

For ALL people of faith... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #33

That doesn't answer my question. Mariana Apr 2018 #37

The question was answered. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #41

So you side with edhopper Apr 2018 #68

That's simple. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #71

So to completely contrary things edhopper Apr 2018 #75

"For ALL people of faith... faith is superior to knowledge based on physical evidence." Fix The Stupid Apr 2018 #90

Irony... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #91

No Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #7

faith is believing in something even though you know it is absolutely not true nt msongs Apr 2018 #14

Faith: yallerdawg Apr 2018 #18

So the question is. .. Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #135

Maybe it's belief and truth that are two different concepts marylandblue Apr 2018 #137

You think? MineralMan Apr 2018 #138

Incorrect. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #20

Explain why. MineralMan Apr 2018 #27

msongs made an assertion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #31

Philosophers generally don't rely faith marylandblue Apr 2018 #40

Unless of course meaninglessness becomes nauseating... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #45

You create your own meaning marylandblue Apr 2018 #47

If you have any doubt you are inauthentic. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #48

Doubt is not inauthentic, you can commit with doubt marylandblue Apr 2018 #50

Doubt is meaningless. Doubt is purposeless. Doubt is nauseating. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #55

I don't find doubt to be meaningless or nauseating marylandblue Apr 2018 #65

Everyone has some things they believe in. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #72

You are using ambiguities in the word "faith" marylandblue Apr 2018 #77

To be fair, most religious people did not choose. Mariana Apr 2018 #84

That's one of the oddities of faith as a philosophical position marylandblue Apr 2018 #92

You seem to mixing up Kierkegaard, a theologian and Satre, a philosopher marylandblue Apr 2018 #123

I'm pretty sure you have that backwards. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #125

Sartre was an atheist marylandblue Apr 2018 #131

Exactly. Atheist. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #132

What? Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #133

Kierkegaard was trained as a theologian marylandblue Apr 2018 #134

Feel free to cite with proof of your assertion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121

Feel free to take a course in philosophy marylandblue Apr 2018 #122

Alternatively, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #124

Sorry, not everything is available by cite on the internet marylandblue Apr 2018 #130

Trying also to understand humanity's purpose in creation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #142

Yes theology is different philosophy and science marylandblue Apr 2018 #143

True, And some did it well. eom guillaumeb Apr 2018 #144

Still doesn't support your point marylandblue Apr 2018 #145

We must continue to disagree on the matter. eom guillaumeb Apr 2018 #146

There are some intersections between religion and philosophy Major Nikon Apr 2018 #51

"Faith and science are separate fields." trotsky Apr 2018 #95

Faith is belief in the impossible. Iggo Apr 2018 #120

Hell no! BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #15

Pretty much all other forms of evidence are superior to faith Major Nikon Apr 2018 #16

So I believe, too. MineralMan Apr 2018 #28

The Jewish answer is interesting marylandblue Apr 2018 #36

I found a faith that fits me Gothmog Apr 2018 #39

It doesn't sound like faith in the Christian sense marylandblue Apr 2018 #46

Not mutually exclusive... AncientGeezer Apr 2018 #42

Absolutely not. bitterross Apr 2018 #44

No... Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #54

Thank you for a very good personal answer. MineralMan Apr 2018 #98

Glad to contribute...thanks for reading it! Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #108

Is faith superior to knowledge based on physical evidence? Yes. Doodley Apr 2018 #66

I disagree with everything you said edhopper Apr 2018 #69

Where do you get your 'facts' to form your belief in climate change? Are you a scientist? Have you Doodley Apr 2018 #70

No that is not how edhopper Apr 2018 #76

Did I say science works by faith? My point is that we can pick and choose our 'science.' Doodley Apr 2018 #81

I've looked at measurements from others and made my own calculations marylandblue Apr 2018 #80

Where do you get the figure of 99% all getting exactly the same conclusion? Doodley Apr 2018 #82

The 99% figure is from scientific journals marylandblue Apr 2018 #86

Funny, but I have consistently seen the figure of 97%. Where is your evidence that the figure Doodley Apr 2018 #87

99% may be my bad memory, 97% sounds right. marylandblue Apr 2018 #89

97% vs. 99% Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #93

My point is that we accept things that may not be true. Our own perceptions of the world and Doodley Apr 2018 #104

Yes that's true, but if we were to argue the point marylandblue Apr 2018 #110

So what. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #115

You're equivocating. trotsky Apr 2018 #116

Damnit, trotsky. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #117

LOL trotsky Apr 2018 #118

I'm the Boltzmann Brain. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #140

That's an interesting interpretation of the word "superior." MineralMan Apr 2018 #99

Take away everything you believe, and what do you have left? Nothing. Doodley Apr 2018 #102

Nope. Take away everything I think about and that might be true. MineralMan Apr 2018 #105

Sometimes you have faith because you did the math, LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #78

Predictions that come true 100 % of the time. .. Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #136

Many people of faith believe the physical world is real. LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #139

Which is why casinos are filled with fail. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #141

Only if we're living in a simulation. byronius Apr 2018 #79

I once had Faith. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2018 #88

LOL! Doodley Apr 2018 #128

In no way, shape, or form. trotsky Apr 2018 #96

I agree, of course. MineralMan Apr 2018 #112

In saying that, do you feel that you only have faith in things supported by evidence? Doodley Apr 2018 #126

No. If things are supported by evidence, no faith is needed. MineralMan Apr 2018 #129

Parts of our brains are way stimulated by fear and social needs and religion fills that need Kolesar Apr 2018 #101

That's an interesting thing to consider. MineralMan Apr 2018 #103

Our conscious thinking is in the cerebrum, but we have mighty unconscious thinking in the cerebrum Kolesar Apr 2018 #106

A long time ago, I feared everything. Somebody asked me what it was that I feared. Doodley Apr 2018 #127