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cbayer

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Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:13 AM Jul 2015

Earth 2.0: Bad News for God [View all]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/earth-20-bad-news-for-god_b_7861528.html

Jeff Schweitzer
Scientist and former White House Senior Policy Analyst; Ph.D. in marine biology/neurophysiology

Posted: 07/23/2015 9:27 pm EDT Updated: 07/23/2015 10:59 pm EDT

The discovery of Kepler-452b is not likely to see the public swoon with a collective rendition of Kumbaya. But this Earth 2.0 is a huge if under-appreciated discovery, not because Kepler-452b is unique but for just the opposite reason; there are likely thousands or millions or even billions of such earth-like planets in the universe. The discovery of just one such world is good evidence for many more: after all, we know of 100 billion galaxies each with as many as 300 billion stars (big variation per galaxy). Astronomers estimate that there are about 70 billion trillion stars. Math wizardry is not necessary to conclude we did not by chance find the only other possibly habitable planet among that huge population of stars.

With this discovery, we come ever closer to the idea that life is common in the universe. Perhaps you are not convinced. That is OK; let me speculate what would happen should we ever find evidence of life beyond earth even if you think such discovery unlikely. I would like here to preempt what will certainly be a re-write of history on the part of the world's major religions. I predict with great confidence that all will come out and say such a discovery is completely consistent with religious teachings. My goal here is to declare this as nonsense before it happens. I am not alone in this conclusion that religion will contort to accommodate a new reality of alien life.

Let us be clear that the Bible is unambiguous about creation: the earth is the center of the universe, only humans were made in the image of god, and all life was created in six days. All life in all the heavens. In six days. So when we discover that life exists or existed elsewhere in our solar system or on a planet orbiting another star in the Milky Way, or in a planetary system in another galaxy, we will see a huge effort to square that circle with amazing twists of logic and contorted justifications. But do not buy the inevitable historical edits: life on another planet is completely incompatible with religious tradition. Any other conclusion is nothing but ex-post facto rationalization to preserve the myth. Let us see why more specifically.

From Genesis 1:1, we get:

God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of god he created him; male and female he created them.


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Earth 2.0: Bad News for God [View all] cbayer Jul 2015 OP
That might be the opinion of some TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #1
I think your take is valid and legitimate. cbayer Jul 2015 #2
The Tao that is spoken of safeinOhio Jul 2015 #3
I wish I had the insights that you share. cbayer Jul 2015 #4
Student of the Tao Te Ching safeinOhio Jul 2015 #12
I first ran into to taoism at a time that it meant a great deal to me. cbayer Jul 2015 #16
Easy, short read. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #18
Thanks, safe. I will obtain one. cbayer Jul 2015 #19
In other words: Act_of_Reparation Jul 2015 #5
Yay, RELIGION!!! n/t trotsky Jul 2015 #6
But it's a perfectly valid position, trotsky. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2015 #8
I am reminded of last year's debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye pokerfan Jul 2015 #65
Psychologists call that cognitive dissonance. cleanhippie Jul 2015 #9
Not asking you to defend what you say at all. But just consider the following variation. trotsky Jul 2015 #10
but science (knowledge) AlbertCat Jul 2015 #25
I guess that's my 4 years of H.S. Latin TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #27
See?! Latin just confuses people! AlbertCat Jul 2015 #30
I didn't realize until years later TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #34
Agree that studying Latin gives one a leg up in vocabulary. No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #56
I took 3 years of French in HS as well TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #57
Bad news for some versions of God... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #7
I tend to agree with your take. cbayer Jul 2015 #11
Primarily agnostic now? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #15
not too difficult to imagine a planet or solar system having its own spiritual plane AlbertCat Jul 2015 #28
wow that is amazing. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #32
Yep, bad news indeed. TygrBright Jul 2015 #13
Good points. cbayer Jul 2015 #17
Not too bad. Hope your summer's proceeding enjoyably? n/t TygrBright Jul 2015 #22
We are alone. Leontius Jul 2015 #35
I'm not convinced. cbayer Jul 2015 #38
Is there even a single piece of empirical evidence for the existence of any life outside of Earth? Leontius Jul 2015 #39
Not yet, but the Scientific Method is being used to try and find that out if that is true... cleanhippie Jul 2015 #42
Ah that smell of fear Leontius Jul 2015 #46
If that's what you smell, you should check your pants. cleanhippie Jul 2015 #47
Care to answer that question about your god? n/t trotsky Jul 2015 #48
No problem. Absolutely no confirmed empirical evidence for the existence for God that meets Leontius Jul 2015 #58
You could really just put a period after the word "God" right there, couldn't you? n/t trotsky Jul 2015 #60
I'll be frank and say that it is speculation, but speculation that is based on one fact... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #50
Short answer, no evidence. Leontius Jul 2015 #59
Translation: I put my fingers in my ears and can't hear you. cleanhippie Jul 2015 #62
There's that smell again. Leontius Jul 2015 #67
It's probably all the BS you post. cleanhippie Jul 2015 #69
Yet. Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #68
Yes. Lordquinton Jul 2015 #70
If you believe God is a "being" who is "out there" somewhere.... AlbertCat Jul 2015 #26
Wait till the religionistas decide its Eden. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #14
Coming to SyFy in December 2015 Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #20
Previews look.... Disappointing. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #23
Srsly? That would be GREAT! We could ship them along to it. n/t TygrBright Jul 2015 #21
Hmm. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #24
Now there is an Ark project... NeoGreen Jul 2015 #63
Especially since it didn't work out too good in the book. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #64
Schweitzer employs the same "Biblical literalist" thinking that he might deride in others. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #29
Are you kidding me? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2015 #36
And what of Schweitzer and his fondness for the straw man debate technique? guillaumeb Jul 2015 #40
It is obvious Schweitzer is referring to a particular subset of believers. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2015 #41
Schweitzer himself did not make that distinction in the article. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #52
Yes, he does. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2015 #55
Your point does not refute what I said. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #66
Exploded? Faulty premise. opiate69 Jul 2015 #43
As a non-scientist, I will try to condense your explanation and respond. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #53
let's assume that your god created the universe from "nothing". Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #61
Yeah, I always have to laugh about these kind of articles goldent Jul 2015 #44
The author believes, without proof, that there is no deity. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #54
The literalists will simply deny the evidence. drm604 Jul 2015 #31
For a man with a Phd he's rather ignorant Leontius Jul 2015 #33
Unfortunately a lot of people with PhDs say silly things goldent Jul 2015 #45
Of course, it is entirely plausible that there are other inhabitable planets in our universe struggle4progress Jul 2015 #37
Even a literal reading of the Bible doesn't necessarily preclude life existing elsewhere... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #49
Drake Equation lapfog_1 Jul 2015 #51
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