About respect

[LostOne4Ever]

8. Misogynists calling women H******cal or the B word think it is apt.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]As does the racist using the N word. Doesn't make it so and it doesn't make it acceptable.

Not to mention what about non-belief is there to get fundamental about? [/font]

I was raised to treat religion as a private matter. I do not believe it should play a role in politics, and I don't believe you have a right to criticize my private beliefs on faith, or lack thereof, any more than my sex life.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]So that is why you brought up "fundamentalist non-theists" unprovoked? Strange view of private if you ask me.

Does your sex life keep others from getting married? Does your sex life force people to endure painful suffering from terminal illnesses? Does your sex life cause laws against abortion? Does your sex life forbid contraceptives and sex ed? Does your sex life try and deny pregnant women access to pain relievers because that pain is eve's punishment from god? Does your sex life cause people to disown their children because they are transgender?

When it does I will criticize it just as much as religious beliefs that do all of the above. Till then your argument is nothing more than false equivalency.[/font]

So yes, what you describe would be an example of intolerance akin to fundamentalism, and that is on display in this group with some frequency. For some reason I can't begin to understand, some people cannot stand the fact that others might hold a thought that they don't approve of. I can't imagine what propels someone to think that way, but people do. Some of them are religious and some non-theists; both are intolerant and annoying. But then again. I don't know why anyone would willingly subject themselves to discussion with such people anyway.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Funny, in the same sentence you say that it is intolerant to criticize beliefs, while at the same time criticizing fundamentalists. Its fine for you to criticize the beliefs of fundamentalist but not okay for me to criticize the very thing that gives them their views in the first place. How intolerant of me to criticize religions that promote homophobia, sexism, and violence.

Toleration of intolerance is not Tolerance....it is APATHY!

What propels people to think this way? Anti-racism, feminism, liberalism, humanism, and just being tired of religions promoting bigotry against people who just want to be left alone.[/font]

"You decided my use of the term fundamentalist applied to you, so I can only assume you know yourself best. That you then launched into a lengthy discussion in defense of intolerance suggests it is indeed apt. It is one thing to criticize a religious institution's public positions vis a vis the issues you mention, but to then assume a random person you might encounter holds those views because they don't immediately demonstrate contempt for people of faith says far more about your own prejudices than the targets of your scorn. "

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]And where did I ever assume anyone holds those views because they don't immediately demonstrate contempt for people of faith? Oh wait, I didn't. But its perfectly okay to make that unsupported accusation against me.

Nor did I ever decide your use of the term fundamentalist applied to me. I pointed out that your comment was a pot shot at non-believers in a thread about respect. It is like using a racial epitaph against a certain subgroup of African Americans you don't like. Something you ignored.

Oh, and my first reply to you was sooooo lengthy. The second section you are talking about is an unbelievable 2 sentences long. WoW.[/font]

"You response implies it is not religious institutions that you seek to question but the inner workings of someone's mind that you are incensed you cannot control, while showing no desire to understand but merely pass judgment on to make yourself feel superior. That is the very essence of intolerance. Makes no difference to me what form or excuse the behavior takes, whether it's targeted at skin color, gender, sexuality, believers, or non-believers. it's all the same thing. "

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Oh, so every time a liberal criticizes a conservative for being homophobic or racist said liberal has no desire to understand but to pass judgement on the inner workings of someone's mind that said liberal is incensed that they cannot control, etc., etc., etc.



Or could it be that we oppose homophobia, racism, and the harm it causes innocent people? That we are tired of innocent people getting hurt over and over again by these views?

Nah, that is not condescending enough.

Besides FUNDAMENTALIST Atheists. Yeah...[/font]

I'll leave now. I only happened on this discussion because it was on the new threads page, and I've been called in this group on juries enough to know I don't want to stay. You'll have to find someone else to take your frustrations on. There are people, for some reason I can't begin to fathom, willingly expose themselves to such things. I am not among them. You'll need to look elsewhere for your next target.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Oh, now your the victim. Cause I made you use a word meant to trigger people. An insult against nonbelievers directly comparing them to the people who hurt have hurt us and are trying to hurt our friends and just about every minority in the country?

Yeah right.

Whatever, so long.[/font]