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2. I wouldn't call it immoral.

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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:59 PM

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Am I being immoral by believing in a transcendent creator? [View all] Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 OP

It doesn't matter to whom you are giving aid and comfort. No Vested Interest Jan 2014 #1

I wouldn't call it immoral. Iggo Jan 2014 #2

Beliefs do not make us immoral. Actions do. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #3

Simply by believing, no. trotsky Jan 2014 #4

This is an argument often made around here and I think it's entirely bogus. cbayer Jan 2014 #5

Often, eh? trotsky Jan 2014 #6

Believers are often edhopper Jan 2014 #8

Believers that frequent DU often do take on the extremists who share in name their cbayer Jan 2014 #15

That is true edhopper Jan 2014 #17

It's not a false statement. It is merely a matter of what you read and how you read it. cbayer Jan 2014 #19

Wow. trotsky Jan 2014 #20

No, he is saying that it does happen, Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #64

If you go to Church and give them money edhopper Jan 2014 #71

You are wrong. trotsky Jan 2014 #74

Thank you for showing that I am correct Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #88

Well, I did show that evidently you don't care to read what I wrote. trotsky Feb 2014 #99

I said Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #114

because this edhopper Feb 2014 #116

So we were talking past each other. Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #124

appears so. edhopper Feb 2014 #126

If you don't see the difference between... trotsky Feb 2014 #134

Oh, I understand the difference quite well Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #136

Depends on what gets lumped into those categories. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #137

It depends DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #104

I believe your reply to me is mistaken. trotsky Feb 2014 #105

OK DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #110

Doubling down huh? edhopper Jan 2014 #21

Doubling down? How so? cbayer Jan 2014 #22

You claimed that what he said edhopper Jan 2014 #28

I should have been more specific as I was referring to the aiding and abetting bit. cbayer Jan 2014 #35

And he has been challenges to back it up as well. edhopper Jan 2014 #49

And I retracted the "often" bit. cbayer Jan 2014 #52

I will ask once again edhopper Jan 2014 #53

No one has claimed that. I was responding to the aiding bit, cbayer Jan 2014 #58

Which is not what the OP was asking edhopper Jan 2014 #62

Lol. I had forgotten who you were, cbayer Jan 2014 #65

So now the atheist on this forum are edhopper Jan 2014 #68

I didn't say that, you did. cbayer Jan 2014 #69

What contradictory evidence do you have edhopper Jan 2014 #70

You started threads on all these topics and received a very diverse set of responses cbayer Jan 2014 #72

the view that God edhopper Jan 2014 #73

I have no evidence that god either exists or does not exist, as we have cbayer Jan 2014 #75

you'll have to pardon me edhopper Jan 2014 #81

One last thing, then I will leave you alone. cbayer Jan 2014 #67

I've pondered why you think a link to that post somehow supports your position... trotsky Feb 2014 #106

I have been accused by people here of giving the religious right. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #23

I know, so have I. cbayer Jan 2014 #24

Do you like my avatar and sig line? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #25

I do indeed. cbayer Jan 2014 #30

He is running against grimm and I think he is good. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #31

Perhaps you would be willing to provide more details? trotsky Jan 2014 #26

What do you want to know? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #32

How about starting with what exactly it is you think you've been accused of? n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #33

I have been accused of not standing up against the Bastardization of my religion. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #36

Episcopalian, yes? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #37

Yes. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #38

Hm. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #39

That I don't stand up enough against the right wing enough. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #41

Did you dismiss such injuries with 'deal with it' or similar language? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #43

I don't make light of people who have been harmed by people who follow my religion. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #44

OK, you realize that's not the same as what was said in the OP or claimed by cbayer, right? n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #40

I disagree. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #42

Care to explain? n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #45

I have been accused of sitting on my high horse and not getting my hands dirty. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #46

Have you been accused of being immoral edhopper Jan 2014 #50

I was responding to cbayer's point. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #51

Which is OT to what the OP edhopper Jan 2014 #54

Mypoint wS only that I have been accused of not standing up to conservative Christians. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #56

I get that, edhopper Jan 2014 #57

I have never been accused of being immoral here. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #59

Yes, edhopper Jan 2014 #60

I do as well. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #61

No, what I asked you to explain is how that is equivalent to the statement that... trotsky Jan 2014 #63

None of what you just said supports your initial claim. trotsky Jan 2014 #18

Seriously? skepticscott Jan 2014 #66

I was having a discussion here Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #76

Yeah, I know. It happens. cbayer Jan 2014 #77

And you know what, cbayer? trotsky Feb 2014 #98

You are not responsible for the intolerance of others. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #7

You zre giving no comfort to them. I believe in the same tenets of death and resurrection as them hrmjustin Jan 2014 #9

You changes your avatar edhopper Jan 2014 #11

That is the flag and shield of the Episcopal Church. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #12

okay edhopper Jan 2014 #13

I love your sig line and agree 100%. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #14

Thanks edhopper Jan 2014 #16

In reading this again edhopper Jan 2014 #10

Nobody I know of said those exact words, no. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #78

I can only answer for myself edhopper Jan 2014 #80

I feel that transcendental Christianity is similar to parts of Fundamentalism. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #135

There's no creator, trans or otherwise. broiles Jan 2014 #27

So does the mere belief in the imaginary edhopper Jan 2014 #29

If you believe that the imaginary being is ordering you to do bad things. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #117

Yes edhopper Feb 2014 #118

What do I support? Strictly speaking, a liberal and/or transcendental "belief" might seem harmless. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #128

No. LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #34

No Gothmog Jan 2014 #47

Agree with the latter. edhopper Jan 2014 #55

I take issue with your wording in the poll. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #48

I don't think any of the Bible Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #79

What aspect of the world is unexplainable in principle skepticscott Jan 2014 #82

The mixture of change and stability our universe exhibits. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #83

Which is merely an argument skepticscott Feb 2014 #86

"Arising" implies a beginning. "Eternal" means no beginning, therefore no arising. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #87

If "god" could be eternal skepticscott Feb 2014 #89

Mathematics of Eternity Prove The Universe Must Have Had A Beginning Jim__ Feb 2014 #92

And...? skepticscott Feb 2014 #93

And, for one thing, they do talk about prior to the Big Bang. Jim__ Feb 2014 #96

If the universe was eternal, Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #94

And your proof of that is….? skepticscott Feb 2014 #101

Correct, and the creator is indeed unchanging. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #102

If the creator is eternal skepticscott Feb 2014 #103

Or the creator is always creating, so no shift needed. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #127

Yet another invention by you skepticscott Feb 2014 #131

What would qualify as evidence for you? Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #132

Crusader: sounds good. Even Liberal Christianity supports Fundies, Evangelicals, indirectly Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #90

Fundamentalists read liberal theology and transcendentalists as backing them? Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #95

Many fundies dislike "liberals." But as long as one "acknowledges" "God," or "Christ," then ... Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #97

"Many fundies read liberal theology... okasha Feb 2014 #107

Certainly backing them to the point that even lib theology affirms the fundamentals: "God" exists Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #108

Not quite. okasha Feb 2014 #109

I'm citing lots of sources; including academic ones. Why don't YOU find some citations? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #112

Interesting. okasha Feb 2014 #113

Philosophy and religion have some overlap; cosmology, ethics/morality, and so forth. I do both. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #115

You should be well aware skepticscott Feb 2014 #122

Most think the Bible stresses blind "faith." But I say the Bible finally backs evidence, "science" Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #123

Even fundies, but also other Xstians skepticscott Feb 2014 #125

Good observation: to me the Bible backs Science, even OVER traditional belief Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #129

Well, Jesus also said skepticscott Feb 2014 #130

Reading the Bible? Watch the double meanings/semantics. Cf. "Bless those who curse you." Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #133

You're mistaken, not immoral... MellowDem Jan 2014 #84

Words can certainly change meanings. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #85

You are certainly not being immoral Meshuga Feb 2014 #91

That's one reason why the idea of God inspiring a book is problematic. Htom Sirveaux Feb 2014 #100

By transcendent, do you mean WhiteTara Feb 2014 #111

I'd say that liberal Christianity has SOME usefulness; a balance between conservatives & Reason? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #119

And if Liberal Christianity edhopper Feb 2014 #120

Agreed. I am most sympathetic to a Liberal Christianity that leans most toward reason Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #121