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JDPriestly

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64. Wrong. Brown v. Board of Education and the Supreme Court decisions
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:22 PM
Aug 2015

that supported the rights of people of color were decided by courts of 9 justices, 8 white and one lone Black.

Those white justices were relatively liberal and were appointed by relatively liberal presidents including the Republican, Dwight Eisenhower. It was Eisenhower, a white president and not ultra-liberal president, who enforced Brown v. Board of Education in Little Rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

True, Black people, supported by white activists, demonstrated non-violently but persistently for civil rights under the direction of Martin Luther King, supported by a lot of liberals including Robert F. Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey and Lyndon B. Johnson. But their movement would have failed had it not been for the fact that we had a liberal majority in Congress that was elected thanks to the liberal ECONOMIC POLICIES of FDR and subsequent presidents prior to passage of the Civil Rights Act.

The Civil Rights Act was passed by a majority including many white members of Congress with no support to speak of from white Southerners. It took a president who was liberal on both social and economic issues, Lyndon B. Johnson, to sign the Civil Rights Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

All of these decisions and laws were decided or passed by relatively safe Democratic majorities in the Supreme Court and Congress that were won in a nation that had a strong industrial base, strong unions and an liberal economic policiies.

The tide against liberal majorities in Congress and the Supreme Court date back to the signing of the Civil Rights Act and the Viet Nam War. Following the signing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964, Goldwater won five states in the South in the presidential election.

n 1968, Nixon ran on the Southern Strategy,, which was opposed to Black equality at the most elementary level. He won the South, and the South which had prior to the Civil Rights Act voted Democratic thanks in great part to FDR's economic policies.

Since the 1968 election of Nixon, we have elected only three Democratic presidents, two of whom were from the South. The third was a Black president. Thanks to our failure to elect sufficient numbers of liberal Democrats, regardless of race, to Congress, we are unable to pass legislation either on important economic issues, voting rights or justice for Black people on the streets, in their contact with the police and in general. Really vital law enforcement reform as well as the passage of environmental legislation, the repeal of damaging trade agreements and the passage of trade agreements that support the rights of humans and not corporations, as well as domestic economic reform will only be possible when we have both a very liberal president AND VERY A VERY LIBERAL MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AND ON THE SUPREME COURT.

So, no, we don't get to vote for just whomever we want to vote for if we want to change our country. Certainly, Obama's administration is proof of that. I like Obama very much, but he has not been able to make the changes he probably wants to make because he has not had the support of a liberal Congress. To get a liberal Congress, voters have to think strategically. You have to choose candidates who are very liberal but who know how to appeal to a very broad base of voters and to attract new voters to the polls. Describes Bernie Sanders to a tee.

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It was FDR's economic policies that improved the lives of white and Black Americans, white Americans more than Black Americans, but ultimately, all Americans that made it possible to have a majority in Congress that would pass the Civil Rights Act, and other legislation that was necessary to improve the lives of Black people.

Today, minorities are potentially a larger portion of the electorate in the past, but in spite of the urgency and importance of Black issues including Black Lives Matter, judging from the past, especially our losses in 2014, we Democrats cannot expect to elect a majority in the Congress unless we all work together.

To gain votes and to get out the votes of all Democrats in the US we have to focus on both equality and justice issues and above all environmental issues, because there will be very little for any of us to argue about if we continue to destroy our environment at the current rate: economic equality and justice, racial equality and justice, gender equality and justice, environmental equality and justice. All of these issues.

We will not succeed in one area without succeeding in all of them.

We cannot win elections if we focus only or overwhelmingly on racial and gender issues and do not focus also on economic and environmental issues. The majority, thus far, is just not there if we narrow our focus.

It is not a choice between these issues. We have to choose all of them.

If Black people want to continue the current situation in which the federal government does not have the legal authority to do much about the police brutality at the local level, they cannot make the mistake that the union members made in 1980. They need to support the truest, strongest progressives in the country. In the presidential elections, that means voting for Bernie Sanders.

If Black people or union members vote for right-wing or our middle-of-the-road, slow-to-move-toward justice candidate, Hillary Clinton, we will lose in the general election.

It's our failure to emphasize and explain the need for economic justice that ended the Democratic majority in Congress. We need to return to emphasis on economic issues if we are to have a strategy that will elect enough truly liberal Democrats to Congress to make progress on environmental and most of all on racial issues.

We are nearing a time when people of color will have a majority. I think we may already be there in California. That's great. But we aren't there in many states including mid-western states. The political reality is that we need liberal members of Congress from many states including Southern states. We can't wait until people of color are in the majority in enough states to elect a strongly Democratic Congress.


BLM is absolutely right on their issues, but from what I can tell, they are wrong on electoral strategy. They have to work with white liberals to get what they want. Politics is a matter of mutual support,, of coalitions. I know that Black DUers don't like to hear this, but we have to work together, and we need to support liberal Democrats who will go further on justice issues, racial, economic and especially environmental than the Carter, the Clintons and Obama have gone.

That's the reality. It may not be fair, but it is the reality. Think about it.

Until we get a strong, strong liberal majority in Congress, the racial injustice in police departments and neighborhoods is in the control of local authorities. The president can't do much about it.

So the strategy to achieve racial justice and to stop the killings of Black people by law enforcement has to be to elect a strongly liberal, a truly liberal majority to Congress as well as a truly liberal president.

Thank you Thom Hartman. lovemydog Aug 2015 #1
That was stunningly beautiful! Cha Aug 2015 #28
... handmade34 Aug 2015 #2
Excellent! BainsBane Aug 2015 #3
When I hear the word 'rude' or 'disuptive' applied, I want to say that's a false equivalency. freshwest Aug 2015 #4
Thom Hartmann. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #5
Note the tinge of anger in his voice! ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #53
Ouch! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #58
Yes, I did notice that.. and the more he was thinking about it.. the more pissed off he became. Cha Aug 2015 #121
Damn, good for him! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #6
Yes, his account posted this video in this thread in GD under the heading "lets wake white folks up Number23 Aug 2015 #8
Oooo....! Will go check that out. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #9
So glad you brought it here, I don't usually visit V&MM anymore. 400 years! Time for respect! n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #16
Fuck YES! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #17
And he has called out the good, the bad and ugly by name. It's a public board, quoted elsewhere. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #13
Yes, I guess I wish the boards owners would make some kind of a stand too. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #15
Skinner has said, when a bad post is made, they stopped removing them. It's their punishment. freshwest Aug 2015 #25
he is also a Sanders supporters and this was posted in GD JI7 Aug 2015 #7
This is what everybody has been saying since Netroots. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS Number23 Aug 2015 #12
I wold hate to be a Black woman ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #44
They might Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #99
There is no doubt that the reaction to the BLM has been very emotionally charged. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #59
I haven't seen these "apologies." All I've seen is more doubling down and "jokes" made about "have Number23 Aug 2015 #79
I'll be upfront here: Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #101
"He has to put them in check before it's too late and he loses even more would-be supporters." Number23 Aug 2015 #103
An intervention isn't a bad idea. Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #105
Absofuckinglutely. Number23 Aug 2015 #107
I'm a Bernie supporter and did not like my own first reaction. unapatriciated Aug 2015 #104
Racism is a powerful force. It is stronger than reinforced steel yet can travel light as a Number23 Aug 2015 #106
Then it is up to me and others to open their eyes. unapatriciated Aug 2015 #108
That's a really good point. lovemydog Aug 2015 #34
bernie hired BLM activist Symone Sanders noiretextatique Aug 2015 #10
I stand with Marissa Johnson "#BlackLivesMatter More Than the Hurt Feelings of White Progressives" Cha Aug 2015 #24
Just so I am clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #45
No, it was the message: freshwest Aug 2015 #118
If Clinton did something like that it would be called "pandering" George II Aug 2015 #60
Truth be told at last! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #61
"Somehow I can't imagine Mahatma Gandhi giving the microphone back." stone space Aug 2015 #11
Thank God Dems2002 Aug 2015 #14
Good Lord, yes... Number23 Aug 2015 #18
This is a good thing, Hartman will end up helping Sanders in the longer run. uponit7771 Aug 2015 #19
I'm glad he came out with this passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #20
Marissa Johnson is for #BlackLivesMatter.. too many people are trying to smear her and Thom Cha Aug 2015 #30
Right on ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #21
"Seattle is the city of the WTO protests." Apparently these folks have forgotten that Number23 Aug 2015 #22
Right? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #23
You know in the last few days all I've been trying to giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #52
Mahalo for that report on your city, ismnotwasm! Cha Aug 2015 #33
I do not think that Occupy should support any movement that refuses to let a speaker speak. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #26
... Number23 Aug 2015 #32
".. the BLM movement and the Black movement in general needs to understand.. .. " Just Cha Aug 2015 #35
I agree with BLM. I don't agree with its strategy. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #65
Innocent people - boys, girls, men & women lovemydog Aug 2015 #91
No, just your sentence right here.. says you don't get it. you're the one who needs to learn.. Cha Aug 2015 #119
disagree JI7 Aug 2015 #39
Please see my posts 64 and 65. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #66
LOL betsuni Aug 2015 #98
Great minds and all... NOLALady Aug 2015 #97
UGH JI7 Aug 2015 #40
You are missing the most important elements here etherealtruth Aug 2015 #41
Wrong. Brown v. Board of Education and the Supreme Court decisions JDPriestly Aug 2015 #64
I am sorry, I won't take the time to read your ramblings etherealtruth Aug 2015 #67
Thanks for reading my post and for your response. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #68
Well, to summarize what I am getting from your posts is... Spazito Aug 2015 #71
Yep. "Yikes" indeed. Number23 Aug 2015 #75
What alternative is there? JDPriestly Aug 2015 #83
The issue is NOT to change the mind of a racist... Spazito Aug 2015 #84
FFS. How do you think those decisions make it to the Supreme Court in the first place? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #72
I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I know very well how those decisions made it to JDPriestly Aug 2015 #82
Someone so easily "alienated" was never a very strong ally to begin with. nomorenomore08 Nov 2015 #132
Family, I blocked this person. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #85
I want to cover this post in chocolate and dunk it in my cocoa. Number23 Aug 2015 #74
... greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #92
thank you. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #111
My mom is your age and I can't imagine her Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #49
Not to mention (Worth the Hide!) onpatrol98 Aug 2015 #69
Oh my! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #70
Whoops! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #73
That is all kinds of awesome. Number23 Aug 2015 #76
Jesus H. Christ. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #95
So it was okay when it was not an elected official JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #100
It is the disappointment of one who has worked in the trenches and then has to watch other people JDPriestly Aug 2015 #78
I really think you should leave this forum, I am asking you please. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #80
As both a white progressive and a Sanders supporter, this post made me cringe. Embarrassing. WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #110
It really is. And what's sad is that this person will not only NOT learn from this exchange Number23 Aug 2015 #114
Are you really "on their side" if you're trying so hard to dictate the terms? nomorenomore08 Nov 2015 #134
Look, I'm an RN ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #62
WOW.. he calls DU OUT on their Shite! Awesome, Number23! Brave told me Cha Aug 2015 #27
Yes, bravenak wrote to Thom and showed him what's been going on at DU and who's been doing it Number23 Aug 2015 #29
Look at that girl go.. out there in the real world .. gettn' things done! Cha Aug 2015 #36
Nice! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #50
Good for her! greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #96
I agree! That gal is a wiz when it comes to using the media. One of the 789,287 reasons Number23 Aug 2015 #102
So! dpatbrown Aug 2015 #31
So ... You should listen! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #46
WHAT? lovemydog Aug 2015 #89
The proper response is, "Huh?" n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #93
What did Bernie do to deserve being heckled? bluestateguy Aug 2015 #37
The use by date on those "points" you're making have looooong since expired Number23 Aug 2015 #38
Exactly. Past the expiration date. lovemydog Aug 2015 #87
He is running for public office ... It is part of the gig etherealtruth Aug 2015 #42
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #47
It took me a while to get that joke lovemydog Aug 2015 #90
Black people being murdered lovemydog Aug 2015 #88
You need to keep up.. and it's your loss if you don't take them "seriously". Seriously. Cha Aug 2015 #122
Joe Madison mentioned BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #43
There's been a whole lot of "Gotcha!" from a certain crowd here targeting black posters with gentle Number23 Aug 2015 #77
"That was "principled disruption" BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #86
they didn't seem to mind cornel west's racist diatribes against President Obama and FL Michelle, Cha Aug 2015 #120
Mahalo Cha! BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #124
Aloha BRDS! Cha Aug 2015 #125
Yes, BRDS! "Good on the Real Progressives for calling out the hypocrisy" and the ignorance. Cha Aug 2015 #123
yes!! Quayblue Aug 2015 #48
It is great to hear Thom Hartmann 'gets it'... Spazito Aug 2015 #51
Huge K&R! Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #54
"They're sick and tired of being shot at." And shat on, too. calimary Aug 2015 #55
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Aug 2015 #56
He - he - he JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #57
Girl, Whoopie is GETTING DOWN Number23 Aug 2015 #81
Lol~ sheshe2 Aug 2015 #113
"They physically attacked Bernie!!!!" zappaman Aug 2015 #63
No kidding zappaman. lovemydog Aug 2015 #94
As BS' "campaign coordinator", Hartmann has to save face. The optics have been awful for them. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #109
"I've seen an ugly outpouring here, over the past couple of weeks, that I'll never forget." Number23 Aug 2015 #115
Glad he said it, but since I don't like Hartmann, I'm not impressed. He's putting out a fire for... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #117
I agree completely with everything Thom said. WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #112
I couldn't agree more with everything you've written. Number23 Aug 2015 #116
Thanks for the welcome, Number23. WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #126
Want to kick this after finding out that John Lewis' Facebook page was slimed after he dared to Number23 Oct 2015 #127
Man, sorry to hear about John Lewis' facebook. And thanks for sharing this video. Stellar Oct 2015 #128
It was slimed? zappaman Oct 2015 #129
Daily Kos has been all over this. Many of the black diarists there have been FUMING over the Number23 Oct 2015 #130
Ugh. zappaman Oct 2015 #131
A late K&R, if I may. I just wish I'd seen this thread 3 months ago. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2015 #133
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