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In reply to the discussion: NYC: Empire State Shooting: ALL bystanders were shot by police [View all]Straw Man
(6,624 posts)194. Trained professionals?
As this story shows, in high-pressure situations, even trained professionals make errors, particularly in dense urban areas. The last thing you want is some gun nut trying to play hero on the streets of New York.
NYPD are "trained professionals" when it comes to firearms? Please. Their reputation is abysmal. Does the name "Amadou Diallo" ring a bell?
One of my shooting acquaintances is a retired firearms trainer for the NYPD. He makes no secret of the fact that firearms training is a low priority for the brass and the rank-and-file officers alike. I have taken classes with NYPD officers. One in particular stands out: he was incapable of reholstering his pistol without getting his shirt-tail stuck in the holster with it. This is not good for many reasons.
Most NYPD officers have no interest in firearms training. They do the bare minimum, which is fine with the bean-counters, who don't want to mandate more advanced training because it's cheaper to pay off the occasional liability case than it is to take officers off the street and put them on the range.
The Glock "NY Trigger" is an abomination: Rather than giving the officers adequate training with their new firearms, the powers-that-be sought a hardware solution, one that renders the weapon virtually impossible to shoot accurately. Earth to NYPD: the revolver generation is gone. Those guys have all retired or moved to desk jobs by now. Most of the new generation of officers have never touched anything but a striker-fired polymer-framed semi-auto. You can dump the 12-pound triggers now.
Trained professionals? It is to fucking laugh. Cling to your illusions if it makes you feel safer.
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i'm not a gun user, or any manner of expert; but, i agree with your comments.
marasinghe
Aug 2012
#3
Surely you can cite to a Citizen hitting nine bystanders in a self-defense shooting.
PavePusher
Aug 2012
#115
No, they are 100% to blame. They should know their firearm's capabilities and limitations...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#9
Cops are, by definition, police officers. "Police officer" is a profession.
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#18
Perhaps those 9 victims should ask for a refund from their paid protectors.
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#61
And *you've* forgotten about Virginia Tech, where the killer used "normal sized" clips...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#91
Like I said, That is why my side is winning the national debate on this issue.
GreenStormCloud
Aug 2012
#98
Sounds like he was either A) professional enough to realize his gun wasn't the answer...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#52
He should check EVERY possible aspect of his weapon just as I check every possible aspect...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#65
I was just curious. for the record, I fire a .40. A .22 is too small and a howitzer is too expensive
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#78
I disagree, but I do appreciate your reasoned response without insults or slurs n/t
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#125
Bet they'd lose their heads if someone was shooting at them while they're trying
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#37
Yes, we are trained to do one thing, first and foremost, in ANY emergency...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#40
And these are professionals. Imagine the carnage if some concealed-carry yahoo started shooting.
DanTex
Aug 2012
#24
LOL. Yeah, the average yahoo gun nut is better trained than the NYPD. Now that was funny!
DanTex
Aug 2012
#31
Please feel free to cite an instance in which a permit holder hit 9 innocent people NT
Trunk Monkey
Aug 2012
#35
There are plenty of instances of permit holders shooting people accidentally (including themselves).
DanTex
Aug 2012
#39
With their fantastic requirements only 1%ers like Donald Trump get carry permits
rDigital
Aug 2012
#76
My S&W Model 642 snub nosed .38 caliber revolver has a trigger pull of about 12 pounds. ...
spin
Aug 2012
#93
"The only mass shooting in NYC yesterday was carried out by those hired to protect it."
OneTenthofOnePercent
Aug 2012
#57
Don't worry. Only the police should have guns cause they've been trained and stuff n/t
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#74
If you're familiar with police firearms training, you'll see that flurry shooting isn't a last
rDigital
Aug 2012
#88
Bloomberg has the NYPD so afraid of guns that the cops don't get trained to use them properly. nt
rDigital
Aug 2012
#90
You are being sarcastic, and it is a good LOL, BUT you are close to the truth I bet...
virginia mountainman
Aug 2012
#95
If you think being a cop is about "enforcing laws" then you just don't get it
Starboard Tack
Aug 2012
#149
Your fucking hero Bloomers walked onto the crime scene shortly after it was secured....
PavePusher
Aug 2012
#118
Training is one factor. Switching from Glocks to double-action/single-action pistols would help.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#126