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12+ pound trigger pull?! Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #1
The 12 pound Glock triggers ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #2
I think there's the "NY-1" and the "NY-2" trigger Euromutt Aug 2012 #101
It's due to outdated training Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #108
Glocks have a little slack in their triggers as well before the break. Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #134
i'm not a gun user, or any manner of expert; but, i agree with your comments. marasinghe Aug 2012 #3
There is a certain tendency in these situations LuvNewcastle Aug 2012 #5
If all those bystanders had guns, this wouldn't have happened! Fuddnik Aug 2012 #4
Surely you can cite to a Citizen hitting nine bystanders in a self-defense shooting. PavePusher Aug 2012 #115
"Professional Police Officers" is now an oxymoron... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #6
You can't really blame them Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #8
No, they are 100% to blame. They should know their firearm's capabilities and limitations... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #9
I understand your anger Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #10
Go to the range and get fully acclimated to the firearm. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #11
So you're saying CCW holders who go to the range once a month or more shadowrider Aug 2012 #12
Are all CCW holders being paid by tax dollars to protect the public? Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #14
That wasn't in your statement. It's called moving the goalposts. n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #17
Cops are, by definition, police officers. "Police officer" is a profession. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #18
Significant goalpost movement shadowrider Aug 2012 #21
Oy vey. Let me find the crayons... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #22
Crayons not needed. shadowrider Aug 2012 #26
Perhaps those 9 victims should ask for a refund from their paid protectors. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #61
They should certainly be compensated... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #64
CCW holders who go to the range once a month or more... atreides1 Aug 2012 #177
I agree on both counts Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #13
Then, most cops shouldn't be in the job to begin with. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #15
Most of the posters here Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #16
I am in favor of preservation of the 2nd amendment. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #19
Well not to get too far afield Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #20
Effective: close gun show loopholes nationally. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #23
Three questions for you. hack89 Aug 2012 #25
1. Make it federal law. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #30
the commerce clause could prevent number one gejohnston Aug 2012 #38
Most gun shows are put on by vendors from multiple states... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #41
And those vendors are required to obey all existing gun laws. hack89 Aug 2012 #44
1. They can't make it federal law - the Constitution gets in the way hack89 Aug 2012 #42
And *you've* forgotten about Virginia Tech, where the killer used "normal sized" clips... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #91
Would these restrictions apply to police as well? n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #116
A .45 with a clip AnJo1 Aug 2012 #168
Your answers are NOT effective. Here is why: GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #50
Got it. You're an absolutist regarding the 2nd amendment... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #51
You ducked the specific reasons I gave. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #56
My answers were as elementary as can be... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #63
You made no attempt to rebut my statements. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #68
...because they didn't merit rebuttal? Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #69
Like I said, That is why my side is winning the national debate on this issue. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #98
Merit. Straw Man Aug 2012 #191
Looks like he's doing this: shadowrider Aug 2012 #71
You seem to have cotton in your ears...er..eyes as it were.. pipoman Aug 2012 #129
Another NRA talking point... DanTex Aug 2012 #211
That is not an NRA talking point gejohnston Aug 2012 #212
Tell it to the House Judiciary Committee pipoman Aug 2012 #213
"I personally find the sport of murdering mammals distasteful," rl6214 Aug 2012 #210
It take 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #32
Good. Let's get started. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #33
Shouldn't that be "I'll get started"? Let us know how it goes... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #92
You do know that Jenoch Aug 2012 #180
This post would appear to be in conflict with your post number 19 jbgood1977 Dec 2012 #215
A NYC Detective told me a story formercia Aug 2012 #47
I would have just thrown the whole damn gun away NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #49
Sounds like he was either A) professional enough to realize his gun wasn't the answer... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #52
A real professional would keep all his equipment in top shape. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #58
He should check EVERY possible aspect of his weapon just as I check every possible aspect... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #65
Do you fly a Cessna or a 757? shadowrider Aug 2012 #73
Do you fire a .22 or a Howitzer? Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #75
I was just curious. for the record, I fire a .40. A .22 is too small and a howitzer is too expensive shadowrider Aug 2012 #78
In the spirit of disclosure, and because I respet your candor... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #79
You too shadowrider Aug 2012 #80
Or too damned lazy to clean his gun NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #72
Agree to a point bakpakr Aug 2012 #89
I don't think you've really thought out your proposals very well. PavePusher Aug 2012 #117
Tend to agree with you a bit but bakpakr Aug 2012 #122
I disagree, but I do appreciate your reasoned response without insults or slurs n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #125
Have you ever been in a gun fight? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #34
Well, pilots are trained to NOT lose their heads during an emergency... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #36
Bet they'd lose their heads if someone was shooting at them while they're trying shadowrider Aug 2012 #37
Yes, we are trained to do one thing, first and foremost, in ANY emergency... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #40
I see your point but I want to ask a couple of questions. Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #48
1) Yes, a choking-smoke-filled cabin. Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #66
Generally speaking, in-flight emergencies HALO141 Aug 2012 #173
Yes you can. They made a bad decision and should have to stand behind it. Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #139
From the videos I've seen, HALO141 Aug 2012 #174
I wouldn't let ... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #7
And these are professionals. Imagine the carnage if some concealed-carry yahoo started shooting. DanTex Aug 2012 #24
Please show where a CCWer has mowed down 9 people with missed shots. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #28
He can't. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #94
because the average "yahoo" actually goes the range gejohnston Aug 2012 #29
LOL. Yeah, the average yahoo gun nut is better trained than the NYPD. Now that was funny! DanTex Aug 2012 #31
Please feel free to cite an instance in which a permit holder hit 9 innocent people NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #35
There are plenty of instances of permit holders shooting people accidentally (including themselves). DanTex Aug 2012 #39
can you find them? gejohnston Aug 2012 #43
You mean like this guy? DanTex Aug 2012 #45
Here in Texas we have to meet the same standard that the police do. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #55
who said anything about chasing anyone? gejohnston Aug 2012 #81
Unfortunately, this is just another case of the ever moving goal posts. rDigital Aug 2012 #83
With their fantastic requirements only 1%ers like Donald Trump get carry permits rDigital Aug 2012 #76
The cops are better trained on the laws of their city/state glacierbay Aug 2012 #46
For a police officer, qualification is an annual or biannual chore. Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #53
Actually yeah 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #62
What is your knowledge on NYPD's firearms training? rDigital Aug 2012 #82
Gun nuts shoot for pleasure krispos42 Aug 2012 #147
My S&W Model 642 snub nosed .38 caliber revolver has a trigger pull of about 12 pounds. ... spin Aug 2012 #93
Can you cite instances of that actually happening? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #60
Trained professionals? Straw Man Aug 2012 #194
Love Your 20/20 Hindsight. (nt) Paladin Aug 2012 #27
A black eye for the NYPD. burnsei sensei Aug 2012 #54
"The only mass shooting in NYC yesterday was carried out by those hired to protect it." OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #57
Clearly NYC should disarm civilians even more 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #59
WTF with the NYT? BlueNinja Aug 2012 #67
Every turd in NYC bows to Gloomy-Bloomie, get used to it. rDigital Aug 2012 #86
I honestly, cannot fathom, just how incompetent that really is. virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #70
Don't worry. Only the police should have guns cause they've been trained and stuff n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #74
At 12 lbs, why don't they issue bows and arrows instead? nt Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #77
That's funny you say that because rDigital Aug 2012 #87
Interesting to see those who... sarisataka Aug 2012 #84
If you're familiar with police firearms training, you'll see that flurry shooting isn't a last rDigital Aug 2012 #88
Unfortunately true sarisataka Aug 2012 #100
I think we'd do well to step back from the fray for a moment Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #85
Bloomberg has the NYPD so afraid of guns that the cops don't get trained to use them properly. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #90
You are being sarcastic, and it is a good LOL, BUT you are close to the truth I bet... virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #95
Perfect example of why regular cops should not be armed. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #96
This isn't England glacierbay Aug 2012 #97
Unfortunately you are right. It isn't England in this regard. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #104
That's deep, Mr. Tack. (no sarcasm/joking) nt rDigital Aug 2012 #110
Better by far this isn't England... Clames Aug 2012 #123
Pity you didn't stay to get an education Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #132
No pity. Got a much better one in this country. Clames Aug 2012 #141
I don't blame them. Much easier here. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #146
Typical snide bullshit. Straw Man Aug 2012 #195
Still living up to your SN I see. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #205
Still avoiding addressing the content of my posts, I see. Straw Man Aug 2012 #214
If NYC cops would learn gejohnston Aug 2012 #99
Right! It's all about the triggers. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #105
the triggers are because of lousy training gejohnston Aug 2012 #106
Are you seriously Jenoch Aug 2012 #112
I have seen it. Good movie. Emphasis on "movie" Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #135
but UK and the US are different societies gejohnston Aug 2012 #136
Every society is different to a degree. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #138
I think what we are seeing with Mr. Tack is something in the UK akin... Clames Aug 2012 #144
You are out of your mind. Jenoch Aug 2012 #137
Why don't you ask some UK cops what it is like? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #145
Why would asking a UK Jenoch Aug 2012 #148
If you think being a cop is about "enforcing laws" then you just don't get it Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #149
Try again. oneshooter Aug 2012 #150
Mea culpa. I should have said LAPD Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #157
You've got to be pulling my chain here. Where are the cameras? Jenoch Aug 2012 #151
You are absolutely correct. So why do they need guns? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #158
You may have a point there glacierbay Aug 2012 #159
I understand your position and your reaction to my suggestion. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #160
Here's where you fail glacierbay Aug 2012 #162
More alike than different. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #165
Again, you've got to be kidding me. Jenoch Aug 2012 #163
The 'beat' cops are the ones that run into trouble. Jenoch Aug 2012 #161
"...the average criminal mind....plays by a set of rules..."????? Jenoch Aug 2012 #142
We just need better cops. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #121
Without a gun and bullets, this wouldn't happen graham4anything Aug 2012 #102
A gun never saved anyone? glacierbay Aug 2012 #103
live by the gun, die by the gun graham4anything Aug 2012 #111
prime example gejohnston Aug 2012 #113
I put this into Google Translate Union Scribe Aug 2012 #119
Babelfish worked alot better... OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #131
"Guns do not buy freedom" PavePusher Aug 2012 #120
this has nothing to do with the USA or the NRA graham4anything Aug 2012 #124
Armed self-defense stories are posted regularly in this group. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #152
just statistical noise graham4anything Aug 2012 #156
I'm having trouble translating what you say into English AnJo1 Aug 2012 #166
I don't want to get rid of you, just the #1 biggest lobby NRA graham4anything Aug 2012 #167
$35.00X4.5 Million=$157,000,000 glacierbay Aug 2012 #169
more fuzzy math graham4anything Aug 2012 #170
So you're an accountant? glacierbay Aug 2012 #171
4.3 million members is just 1.5% of the population of USA. graham4anything Aug 2012 #186
23,000 members is just 0.08% of the population of the US gejohnston Aug 2012 #188
he is correct-guns are an abomination. graham4anything Aug 2012 #190
Bill Crystal agrees with him gejohnston Aug 2012 #192
What you fail to address is that there are 80-90 million more gun owners glacierbay Aug 2012 #196
Nothing wrong with an audit if there is nothing to hide? AnJo1 Aug 2012 #200
it's like at the airport graham4anything Aug 2012 #202
So your rights trump mine? AnJo1 Aug 2012 #204
Can you back up your claim that the NRA is "backing" Zimmerman? AnJo1 Aug 2012 #181
You are moving the goal posts. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #172
however, in reality, this just forgets one major thing graham4anything Aug 2012 #175
Say what?? I understand all the words, but the sentences make no sense. AnJo1 Aug 2012 #182
Except for suicide, you are grossly wrong. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #183
homicide is a very broad term graham4anything Aug 2012 #187
not that many gejohnston Aug 2012 #189
Take a closer look at my post. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #193
it's like the old saying graham4anything Aug 2012 #197
1,981 Murdered by knife in 2007 GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #203
No one can speak for "the gun people" since we come in many varieties AnJo1 Aug 2012 #198
This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #153
I'm with you, brother/sister! Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #154
Brilliant satire!!! TPaine7 Aug 2012 #107
Yes...we need Superman...nt Union Scribe Aug 2012 #109
Your fucking hero Bloomers walked onto the crime scene shortly after it was secured.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #118
Some info on NYPD training... PavePusher Aug 2012 #114
Training is one factor. Switching from Glocks to double-action/single-action pistols would help. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #126
Not really. Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #140
Yes really. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #143
Stock Glock has a 5.5 pound pull. Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #155
You're sick Kolesar Aug 2012 #127
It's hard to swallow, but it's the truth. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #133
HUGE Black Eye for Mayor Bloomberg Iggy Aug 2012 #128
A 12# trigger on a police weapon is the dumbest pipoman Aug 2012 #130
To be fair... HALO141 Aug 2012 #164
and to be fair to Mayor Mike- graham4anything Aug 2012 #176
"if the grudge holder did not have a gun" HALO141 Aug 2012 #178
Thankfully NY has laws against tourists bringing their guns in graham4anything Aug 2012 #184
Say what? Straw Man Aug 2012 #199
get rid of the blue wall of silence for one thing & graham4anything Aug 2012 #201
Oh, I get it. HALO141 Aug 2012 #206
Tourists with guns isn't a problem for other states. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #207
I love Texas and I go there without a gun graham4anything Aug 2012 #208
I respect your right to that decision, if not the decision itself. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #209
Let me get this straight glacierbay Aug 2012 #179
outrageous was having a shoot out on 34th street graham4anything Aug 2012 #185
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