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132. Now you're an internet psychoanalyst?

Reply to BainsBane (Reply #128)

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 11:25 AM

Jun 2013

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Guess this didn't go the way you thought it would.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12592109

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Now that the Illinois CCW ban is history, let's eliminate "may-issue" laws [View all] friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 OP

No! rdharma Jun 2013 #1

Care to elaborate? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #3

No! rdharma Jun 2013 #6

How very eloquent... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #7

Wasn't meant to be eloquent. Nutjob shown had a CCW in "shall issue" jurisdiction! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #8

So? Anecdote =/= data, and he didn't shoot anyone. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #10

No. He hasn't shot anybody...... yet! rdharma Jun 2013 #14

Better alert the Department of Precrime, then friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #15

They've already done what the law allows. rdharma Jun 2013 #17

At least you're not advocating arresting all CCW holders... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #19

"Like I said, it usually ends badly!" rl6214 Jun 2013 #47

Probably! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #63

"Probably"? rl6214 Jun 2013 #68

Have you raped anyone rl6214 Jun 2013 #46

How is that photo supposed to convince anyone? S_B_Jackson Jun 2013 #60

Quit asking him hard questions! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #9

Apparently, we should be leaving the job of vetting permit holders... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #11

No. Leave it to the local sheriffs. rdharma Jun 2013 #49

is that true in all states? gejohnston Jun 2013 #50

How about we remove the Sheriff's discretion when it comes to approving hack89 Jun 2013 #54

That would work. rdharma Jun 2013 #59

All you need is a system that accurately tracks who is convicted of a crime hack89 Jun 2013 #61

A restraining order doesn't mean that one has been convicted of a crime. rdharma Jun 2013 #62

So add restraining orders to the alerts that LEO gets. hack89 Jun 2013 #64

Restraining orders are already a disqualification for that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #72

Exactly! It's not the issuing authority's job to revoke CCWs for restraining orders....... rdharma Jun 2013 #74

Well, sort of. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #75

Review it? rdharma Jun 2013 #80

Yes. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #82

All they can verify is that you had a CCW isssued for susch and such a a period. rdharma Jun 2013 #83

Precisely. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #85

If you do that in Illinois, it will reduce campaign contributions to sheriff re-election committees. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #101

In Texas CHL's are handled by the Texas Department of Public Safety. oneshooter Jun 2013 #67

Thats not the difference between Shall issue and may issue Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #78

I support "shall issue" concealed carry as it prevents discrimination. ... spin Jun 2013 #2

+1. Can't agree more friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #4

+ another. 'Shall-issue' with a comprehensive training requirement is my preference petronius Jun 2013 #5

In Florida you can go to a gun show and take a concealed weapons class. ... spin Jun 2013 #51

I can relate to the training gejohnston Jun 2013 #52

I feel that owning a firearm involves tremendous responsibility ... spin Jun 2013 #53

if you are active duty military shedevil69taz Jun 2013 #100

Yessir. The last vestige of Jim Crow is "may (not) issue." Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #70

historical prohibitions on carrying concealed jimmy the one Jun 2013 #12

Yawn!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #13

I noticed you left out all the ones that didn't ban the practice or contain racist language friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #16

Look at Arkansas! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #18

Yeah, and now that language is gone. Let's hear it for progress! friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #20

Notice the date on that change of language in Arkansas. rdharma Jun 2013 #22

So it would reactionary for them to return to "may issue" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #23

No reason to do so! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #24

I personally feel that gun laws should be up to the voters in a state ... spin Jun 2013 #55

Florida banned open carry eight years later gejohnston Jun 2013 #21

You mentioned Florida.... spin Jun 2013 #45

No, let's make "may issue" the law nationwide. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #25

no interstate commerace gejohnston Jun 2013 #26

It is a really easy to say something like "Rigorous Psychological Evaluation". Kurska Jun 2013 #27

Do to what system? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #28

"Psych testing can be computerized and automated with very little personnel required." Kurska Jun 2013 #29

Couldn't agree more about how little the average person knows about healthcare. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #32

he didn't say pass or fail gejohnston Jun 2013 #34

And some people don't understand English grammar, notice the quotation marks? Kurska Jun 2013 #35

there is a quote for that gejohnston Jun 2013 #31

You seem obsessed with the UK. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #36

Because UK and Japan are held up as models of such gejohnston Jun 2013 #38

Of course I see the difference between Payne and Alex Jones Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #39

here is the trick gejohnston Jun 2013 #40

I also reject "the problem is the gun laws" Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #41

solving problems gejohnston Jun 2013 #42

What "(L)ibertarian fantasies"? Most states already ARE "shall issue". friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #33

I'm aware that most states are "shall issue" Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #37

*Any* legislation might be termed as being "in favor of public safety". friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #58

I disagree Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #77

The NRA will tell you what *they* favor is "in the interest of public safety" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #89

The NRA is a fascist organization. Who cares about their lies? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #94

Same should be said for voting. rl6214 Jun 2013 #48

I've got news for you. Voting is a constitutional right. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #79

What the hell is bearing arms? rl6214 Jun 2013 #87

Bearing arms means carrying a weapon of some kind. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #88

Exactly rl6214 Jun 2013 #91

The law saying you can, does not mean that you must. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #95

bear arms = confrontational jimmy the one Jun 2013 #96

Why whine to me about it? rl6214 Jun 2013 #98

There is already a universal, very effective, psych test. It is called - past behavior. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #66

What a crock! Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #81

Rights shouldn't be denied... ileus Jun 2013 #30

There is no right to carry a concealed weapon. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #44

Then there would be a right to openly carry one. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #56

that would be off topic. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #76

There is in my state. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #73

I concur. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #131

and he was so sure jimmy the one Jun 2013 #43

Is there some point you wish to make with this serving of word salad? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #57

yo ho ho & a bottle of coke jimmy the one Jun 2013 #69

Come on JTO please don't hide your response to me in the word salad of a response to someone else. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #86

Yawn!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #65

Don't get me in the mood. I'm going for lunch. Vietnamese. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #71

For breakfast?? I'm on the west coast. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #84

Mmmm, sounds good. I'd have that for breakfast. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #92

Hay Ky in Austin? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #90

Well, in fact I had the Pho with discs if fresh jalapeno Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #93

I wonder if this animated gif showing changes in US laws over time is bogus: NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #97

States have powers to regulate constitutionally the right Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #99

Yes, you all organize for gun proliferation here BainsBane Jun 2013 #102

At least you can say your piece here premium Jun 2013 #103

I'm gong to link to this thread regularly BainsBane Jun 2013 #104

Ohhhhhhhhh, I'm really worried now. premium Jun 2013 #105

I'm proud of my views BainsBane Jun 2013 #106

Good for you, premium Jun 2013 #107

This thread is about increasing gun proliferation BainsBane Jun 2013 #108

Uh huh. premium Jun 2013 #109

Hmmmmm, MN is a Shall Issue State, premium Jun 2013 #110

Calling the legislature BainsBane Jun 2013 #130

And how many of those murders are done by citizens with CC licenses? nt. premium Jun 2013 #133

Wow, premium Jun 2013 #111

No, that's YOUR take on the thread. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #112

is the result not to make it easier to carry guns around BainsBane Jun 2013 #113

You have not the slightest clue what I "give a fuck about." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #114

You comment about uniformity of laws BainsBane Jun 2013 #115

You're still doing it. Just stop. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #118

Odd that you should feel a need to defend something BainsBane Jun 2013 #119

You're STILL doing it. What a fucking train wreck... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #122

There's a simple solution for that BainsBane Jun 2013 #124

I already did. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #129

Do you even have a clue about what state Pre-emption laws are? premium Jun 2013 #120

No fucking shit. BainsBane Jun 2013 #123

Then what's your problem? premium Jun 2013 #125

So what are you doing to repeal Shall Issue in MN? premium Jun 2013 #116

It's pretty clear this is all a game to you BainsBane Jun 2013 #117

IOW, premium Jun 2013 #121

lost the debate? What a joke BainsBane Jun 2013 #126

Back atcha. premium Jun 2013 #127

The victim complex again BainsBane Jun 2013 #128

Now you're an internet psychoanalyst? premium Jun 2013 #132

I prefer to not trust interpretation of *any* of my rights to Michael Bloomberg... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #141

It's not your rights that you're interested in BainsBane Jun 2013 #143

about that mother jones article gejohnston Jun 2013 #144

one question gejohnston Jun 2013 #147

Here's the whole thing with edits -- up to two so far -- stay tuned. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #149

You know full well there are no peer reviewed studies BainsBane Jun 2013 #155

what a fact free post. gejohnston Jun 2013 #157

"I believe the the purpose of the policy is to kill people of color to reestablish white only rule." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #165

Dismantle? Really? beevul Jun 2013 #154

Naked and uninformed stereotyping on your part; "the bumfuck hollow where (I) live"... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #164

It's a comment on rural/ex urban vs. urban way of life BainsBane Jun 2013 #172

Allowing people to choose for themselves... beevul Jun 2013 #173

You aren't allowing people to choose. You are removing that choice BainsBane Jun 2013 #174

LOLWUT? beevul Jun 2013 #175

Exactly, you're saying they MUST BainsBane Jun 2013 #177

Sigh beevul Jun 2013 #179

More people have died from guns since Sandyhook than have been killed by the war in Iraq gejohnston Jun 2013 #176

I mean US soldiers, yes BainsBane Jun 2013 #178

What a sham argument. beevul Jun 2013 #180

just a few things gejohnston Jun 2013 #181

Do you have any actual evidence for your claims, BB? Or are we to take them on faith? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #182

And that would be a no, I take it? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #183

Would that be you?? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #150

full disclosure: Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #134

Didn't quite turn out the way she was hoping, did it? premium Jun 2013 #135

it got the thread another rec, more exposure ... unintended consequences, I'm sure. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #136

Up in arms about the 4th, premium Jun 2013 #137

when they take away the second there will be No Arms with which to take up for the Fourth - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #138

Just another in a long line demanding/begging to close the Gungeon DonP Jun 2013 #142

I stand corrected, she's up there whining about us again. DonP Jun 2013 #145

don't look now - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #146

I can't tell if she's lying or just dumb? DonP Jun 2013 #148

CCW status discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #151

I'm betting both. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #152

please, Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #170

I joined DU right after the 2008 election rrneck Jun 2013 #153

There are sites other than DU, HockeyMom Jun 2013 #156

Generally speaking rrneck Jun 2013 #158

Worth noting, none of the sites she lists allow dissent of any kind DonP Jun 2013 #160

DU is in a good spot. rrneck Jun 2013 #161

They are under a lot of pressure to shut down opposing viewpoints DonP Jun 2013 #162

Very well said!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #163

^^^ Wish I could rec this thread AGAIN just for THIS POST ^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #171

I have a question gejohnston Jun 2013 #159

Sorry, I have heard all the pro-gun comments for 40 years HockeyMom Jun 2013 #166

political philosopy is different than gejohnston Jun 2013 #169

Careful, CokeMachine Jun 2013 #139

:S Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #140

I have more or less stopped posting on gun issues here HockeyMom Jun 2013 #167

It depends on what you mean by gun control and safety. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #168