Gun Control & RKBA

Starboard Tack

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25. No, let's make "may issue" the law nationwide.

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:31 PM

Jun 2013

Last edited Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:40 PM - Edit history (1)

And let's apply very strict requirements, including rigorous psychological evaluation. Same should apply to LE before they are permitted to carry.
Guns are extremely dangerous devices, by their very nature, and should not be carried in public, except in exceptional circumstances.
Your OP is both irresponsible and naive, unless you are being sarcastic, which I would assume if I didn't know you better.

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Now that the Illinois CCW ban is history, let's eliminate "may-issue" laws [View all] friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 OP

No! rdharma Jun 2013 #1

Care to elaborate? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #3

No! rdharma Jun 2013 #6

How very eloquent... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #7

Wasn't meant to be eloquent. Nutjob shown had a CCW in "shall issue" jurisdiction! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #8

So? Anecdote =/= data, and he didn't shoot anyone. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #10

No. He hasn't shot anybody...... yet! rdharma Jun 2013 #14

Better alert the Department of Precrime, then friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #15

They've already done what the law allows. rdharma Jun 2013 #17

At least you're not advocating arresting all CCW holders... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #19

"Like I said, it usually ends badly!" rl6214 Jun 2013 #47

Probably! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #63

"Probably"? rl6214 Jun 2013 #68

Have you raped anyone rl6214 Jun 2013 #46

How is that photo supposed to convince anyone? S_B_Jackson Jun 2013 #60

Quit asking him hard questions! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #9

Apparently, we should be leaving the job of vetting permit holders... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #11

No. Leave it to the local sheriffs. rdharma Jun 2013 #49

is that true in all states? gejohnston Jun 2013 #50

How about we remove the Sheriff's discretion when it comes to approving hack89 Jun 2013 #54

That would work. rdharma Jun 2013 #59

All you need is a system that accurately tracks who is convicted of a crime hack89 Jun 2013 #61

A restraining order doesn't mean that one has been convicted of a crime. rdharma Jun 2013 #62

So add restraining orders to the alerts that LEO gets. hack89 Jun 2013 #64

Restraining orders are already a disqualification for that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #72

Exactly! It's not the issuing authority's job to revoke CCWs for restraining orders....... rdharma Jun 2013 #74

Well, sort of. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #75

Review it? rdharma Jun 2013 #80

Yes. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #82

All they can verify is that you had a CCW isssued for susch and such a a period. rdharma Jun 2013 #83

Precisely. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #85

If you do that in Illinois, it will reduce campaign contributions to sheriff re-election committees. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #101

In Texas CHL's are handled by the Texas Department of Public Safety. oneshooter Jun 2013 #67

Thats not the difference between Shall issue and may issue Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #78

I support "shall issue" concealed carry as it prevents discrimination. ... spin Jun 2013 #2

+1. Can't agree more friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #4

+ another. 'Shall-issue' with a comprehensive training requirement is my preference petronius Jun 2013 #5

In Florida you can go to a gun show and take a concealed weapons class. ... spin Jun 2013 #51

I can relate to the training gejohnston Jun 2013 #52

I feel that owning a firearm involves tremendous responsibility ... spin Jun 2013 #53

if you are active duty military shedevil69taz Jun 2013 #100

Yessir. The last vestige of Jim Crow is "may (not) issue." Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #70

historical prohibitions on carrying concealed jimmy the one Jun 2013 #12

Yawn!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #13

I noticed you left out all the ones that didn't ban the practice or contain racist language friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #16

Look at Arkansas! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #18

Yeah, and now that language is gone. Let's hear it for progress! friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #20

Notice the date on that change of language in Arkansas. rdharma Jun 2013 #22

So it would reactionary for them to return to "may issue" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #23

No reason to do so! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #24

I personally feel that gun laws should be up to the voters in a state ... spin Jun 2013 #55

Florida banned open carry eight years later gejohnston Jun 2013 #21

You mentioned Florida.... spin Jun 2013 #45

No, let's make "may issue" the law nationwide. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #25

no interstate commerace gejohnston Jun 2013 #26

It is a really easy to say something like "Rigorous Psychological Evaluation". Kurska Jun 2013 #27

Do to what system? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #28

"Psych testing can be computerized and automated with very little personnel required." Kurska Jun 2013 #29

Couldn't agree more about how little the average person knows about healthcare. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #32

he didn't say pass or fail gejohnston Jun 2013 #34

And some people don't understand English grammar, notice the quotation marks? Kurska Jun 2013 #35

there is a quote for that gejohnston Jun 2013 #31

You seem obsessed with the UK. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #36

Because UK and Japan are held up as models of such gejohnston Jun 2013 #38

Of course I see the difference between Payne and Alex Jones Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #39

here is the trick gejohnston Jun 2013 #40

I also reject "the problem is the gun laws" Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #41

solving problems gejohnston Jun 2013 #42

What "(L)ibertarian fantasies"? Most states already ARE "shall issue". friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #33

I'm aware that most states are "shall issue" Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #37

*Any* legislation might be termed as being "in favor of public safety". friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #58

I disagree Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #77

The NRA will tell you what *they* favor is "in the interest of public safety" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #89

The NRA is a fascist organization. Who cares about their lies? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #94

Same should be said for voting. rl6214 Jun 2013 #48

I've got news for you. Voting is a constitutional right. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #79

What the hell is bearing arms? rl6214 Jun 2013 #87

Bearing arms means carrying a weapon of some kind. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #88

Exactly rl6214 Jun 2013 #91

The law saying you can, does not mean that you must. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #95

bear arms = confrontational jimmy the one Jun 2013 #96

Why whine to me about it? rl6214 Jun 2013 #98

There is already a universal, very effective, psych test. It is called - past behavior. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #66

What a crock! Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #81

Rights shouldn't be denied... ileus Jun 2013 #30

There is no right to carry a concealed weapon. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #44

Then there would be a right to openly carry one. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #56

that would be off topic. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #76

There is in my state. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #73

I concur. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #131

and he was so sure jimmy the one Jun 2013 #43

Is there some point you wish to make with this serving of word salad? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #57

yo ho ho & a bottle of coke jimmy the one Jun 2013 #69

Come on JTO please don't hide your response to me in the word salad of a response to someone else. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #86

Yawn!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #65

Don't get me in the mood. I'm going for lunch. Vietnamese. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #71

For breakfast?? I'm on the west coast. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #84

Mmmm, sounds good. I'd have that for breakfast. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #92

Hay Ky in Austin? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #90

Well, in fact I had the Pho with discs if fresh jalapeno Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #93

I wonder if this animated gif showing changes in US laws over time is bogus: NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #97

States have powers to regulate constitutionally the right Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #99

Yes, you all organize for gun proliferation here BainsBane Jun 2013 #102

At least you can say your piece here premium Jun 2013 #103

I'm gong to link to this thread regularly BainsBane Jun 2013 #104

Ohhhhhhhhh, I'm really worried now. premium Jun 2013 #105

I'm proud of my views BainsBane Jun 2013 #106

Good for you, premium Jun 2013 #107

This thread is about increasing gun proliferation BainsBane Jun 2013 #108

Uh huh. premium Jun 2013 #109

Hmmmmm, MN is a Shall Issue State, premium Jun 2013 #110

Calling the legislature BainsBane Jun 2013 #130

And how many of those murders are done by citizens with CC licenses? nt. premium Jun 2013 #133

Wow, premium Jun 2013 #111

No, that's YOUR take on the thread. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #112

is the result not to make it easier to carry guns around BainsBane Jun 2013 #113

You have not the slightest clue what I "give a fuck about." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #114

You comment about uniformity of laws BainsBane Jun 2013 #115

You're still doing it. Just stop. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #118

Odd that you should feel a need to defend something BainsBane Jun 2013 #119

You're STILL doing it. What a fucking train wreck... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #122

There's a simple solution for that BainsBane Jun 2013 #124

I already did. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #129

Do you even have a clue about what state Pre-emption laws are? premium Jun 2013 #120

No fucking shit. BainsBane Jun 2013 #123

Then what's your problem? premium Jun 2013 #125

So what are you doing to repeal Shall Issue in MN? premium Jun 2013 #116

It's pretty clear this is all a game to you BainsBane Jun 2013 #117

IOW, premium Jun 2013 #121

lost the debate? What a joke BainsBane Jun 2013 #126

Back atcha. premium Jun 2013 #127

The victim complex again BainsBane Jun 2013 #128

Now you're an internet psychoanalyst? premium Jun 2013 #132

I prefer to not trust interpretation of *any* of my rights to Michael Bloomberg... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #141

It's not your rights that you're interested in BainsBane Jun 2013 #143

about that mother jones article gejohnston Jun 2013 #144

one question gejohnston Jun 2013 #147

Here's the whole thing with edits -- up to two so far -- stay tuned. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #149

You know full well there are no peer reviewed studies BainsBane Jun 2013 #155

what a fact free post. gejohnston Jun 2013 #157

"I believe the the purpose of the policy is to kill people of color to reestablish white only rule." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #165

Dismantle? Really? beevul Jun 2013 #154

Naked and uninformed stereotyping on your part; "the bumfuck hollow where (I) live"... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #164

It's a comment on rural/ex urban vs. urban way of life BainsBane Jun 2013 #172

Allowing people to choose for themselves... beevul Jun 2013 #173

You aren't allowing people to choose. You are removing that choice BainsBane Jun 2013 #174

LOLWUT? beevul Jun 2013 #175

Exactly, you're saying they MUST BainsBane Jun 2013 #177

Sigh beevul Jun 2013 #179

More people have died from guns since Sandyhook than have been killed by the war in Iraq gejohnston Jun 2013 #176

I mean US soldiers, yes BainsBane Jun 2013 #178

What a sham argument. beevul Jun 2013 #180

just a few things gejohnston Jun 2013 #181

Do you have any actual evidence for your claims, BB? Or are we to take them on faith? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #182

And that would be a no, I take it? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #183

Would that be you?? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #150

full disclosure: Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #134

Didn't quite turn out the way she was hoping, did it? premium Jun 2013 #135

it got the thread another rec, more exposure ... unintended consequences, I'm sure. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #136

Up in arms about the 4th, premium Jun 2013 #137

when they take away the second there will be No Arms with which to take up for the Fourth - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #138

Just another in a long line demanding/begging to close the Gungeon DonP Jun 2013 #142

I stand corrected, she's up there whining about us again. DonP Jun 2013 #145

don't look now - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #146

I can't tell if she's lying or just dumb? DonP Jun 2013 #148

CCW status discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #151

I'm betting both. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #152

please, Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #170

I joined DU right after the 2008 election rrneck Jun 2013 #153

There are sites other than DU, HockeyMom Jun 2013 #156

Generally speaking rrneck Jun 2013 #158

Worth noting, none of the sites she lists allow dissent of any kind DonP Jun 2013 #160

DU is in a good spot. rrneck Jun 2013 #161

They are under a lot of pressure to shut down opposing viewpoints DonP Jun 2013 #162

Very well said!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #163

^^^ Wish I could rec this thread AGAIN just for THIS POST ^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #171

I have a question gejohnston Jun 2013 #159

Sorry, I have heard all the pro-gun comments for 40 years HockeyMom Jun 2013 #166

political philosopy is different than gejohnston Jun 2013 #169

Careful, CokeMachine Jun 2013 #139

:S Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #140

I have more or less stopped posting on gun issues here HockeyMom Jun 2013 #167

It depends on what you mean by gun control and safety. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #168