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shira

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80. Yossi Gurvitz figured the International Left out...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)

...for being rightwingers who couldn't care less about socialism.

http://972mag.com/time-for-a-changing-of-the-guard/

Maybe it's time you figure it out too.

Why the ad hoc alliance with international left activists is unhelpful to the Israeli left, and should end

One of the phenomena characterizing the coverage of the J14 protests from the beginning was the long faces of a significant number of notable international peace activists. But…but… but you’re not talking about the occupation, they demanded of the marching Israelis. They were soundly ignored, the protest became a mass success, and they became much more bitter.

At one point – it was during the third or fourth week of the protests – one of them wrote it was a struggle “about the price of cottage cheese”. I politely invited him to join Netanyahu’s PR team. He was gravely insulted, and I sincerely hope he won’t forgive me; yet the claims of many international activists against J14 were greatly similar to those of Netanyahu’s PR. We were told it’s the protest of people living in luxury, who fail to deal with the only real thing around here. Netanyahu’s bureau would call it The Second Independence War/The Second Zionist War/The Great War against the Dark Palestinian Conspiracy; the international activists just call it by that much more common name, the occupation.

As the protest grew stronger, they grew ever more bitter, spending much of their time mocking it. This behaviour raises two questions: One, just what sort of a leftist spends so much energy on opposing a protest intended to bring about a social-democratic regime, which did much to bring together Jews and Palestinians, and the only protest in the last decade – at least – which presented to a crowd of several hundred thousand Jews Palestinian speakers. The second question is: Just what the hell happened to your sense of solidarity? Why can’t you show some good will towards people who stood by your side in the West Bank, and consumed alongside you bulk quantities of CS gas?

The depressing answer is we’re not dealing with leftist, but rather with Palestinian right-winger. They suffer from tunnel-vision: All they see is the occupation.
That seems to me to be a good point. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #1
try reading this then ... Israeli Jun 2013 #6
Heading towards Apartheid? They claim it's ALREADY Apartheid.... shira Jun 2013 #8
who are they shira ? Israeli Jun 2013 #10
So is Israel an apartheid state or just heading that way? You posted two... shira Jun 2013 #14
So do you fancy yourself as the new Helen Suzman , Israeli ? King_David Jun 2013 #23
Suzman was a bonafide SA hero; very pro-Israel.... shira Jun 2013 #28
no King_David... Israeli Jun 2013 #29
She lied when she claimed Jews-Only-Roads... shira Jun 2013 #30
Shulamit Aloni ... Israeli Jun 2013 #32
If you cannot admit Jews-Only roads is a lie... shira Jun 2013 #46
why indeed ... Israeli Jun 2013 #90
Well, since the 'pet shops boys' declares it, it must be so! LOL eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #2
Top Ten Gay Icons of All Time King_David Jun 2013 #3
Palestinian Lexicon: Apartheid.... shira Jun 2013 #4
Yeah, it's not like they were in Pink Floyd or anything oberliner Jun 2013 #5
Real Experts on Apartheid believe world run by Reptilian Space Aliens... shira Jun 2013 #7
ah yet more charater assassination azurnoir Jun 2013 #12
Walker is one of the leading voices of the BDS Apartheid charge... shira Jun 2013 #15
Stay classy there azurnoir Jun 2013 #19
It's just too easy exposing warmongering bigots like Walker and Barghouti... shira Jun 2013 #20
"warmongering bigots like (Alice) Walker- azurnoir Jun 2013 #21
So tell me, what makes BDS 1-staters any better than.... shira Jun 2013 #25
I could tell you, if you promise to pay attention Scootaloo Jun 2013 #34
exactly why I wasn't playing azurnoir Jun 2013 #35
So let's compare Greater Israel to BDS version of 1-state shira Jun 2013 #36
How is the "Jewish Majority" to be maintained? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #38
It would still be 2/3 Jews after the WB is absorbed... shira Jun 2013 #39
So refugees are just cut loose left to rot have I got that right? azurnoir Jun 2013 #41
Refugees should be absorbed into the countries they were born... shira Jun 2013 #44
Interesting weren't you promoting that very same thing recently? azurnoir Jun 2013 #47
Part of Israel's Rightwing promotes that, like Caroline Glick... shira Jun 2013 #49
again were you or were you not promoting that exact ame thing? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #50
I promote 2 states. There are other plans... shira Jun 2013 #52
still not answering the question why? azurnoir Jun 2013 #54
I only promote 2 states. I'm not for a greater Israel... shira Jun 2013 #56
and I'm waiting for you to answer the question azurnoir Jun 2013 #58
What's wrong with you? I don't promote anything else but 2 states.... shira Jun 2013 #61
I asked you a question that for some reason you don't want to answer azurnoir Jun 2013 #62
What did you ask that I didn't answer? shira Jun 2013 #64
I asked if you were not promoting that Palestinian refugees be made citizens in the countries they azurnoir Jun 2013 #65
I totally promote that Palestinians be absorbed as citizens in the countries.... shira Jun 2013 #67
oh and one more thing how much West Bank land is being held by the JNF? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #42
Why would that matter in a greater Israel? n/t shira Jun 2013 #45
Because the JNF only leases land to Jews azurnoir Jun 2013 #48
What do you expect in a Greater Israel? It would have to remain... shira Jun 2013 #51
supposedly we're told non-Jews have exactly equal rights now or so we're told azurnoir Jun 2013 #53
Look into the ILA / JNF rules that compensate the JNF for land... shira Jun 2013 #55
That case is still pending but what it would in effect do is allow the JNF to azurnoir Jun 2013 #57
and BTW the BDS version of One State is for a secular democracy not a state of sharia law azurnoir Jun 2013 #60
That's what they say, however their actions prove otherwise... shira Jun 2013 #66
The BDS movement promotes a secular democracy guilt by association isn't cutting it azurnoir Jun 2013 #68
And they're doing ZERO to make a secular democracy reality.... shira Jun 2013 #70
No bullshit tangents. Please, do tell.... n/t shira Jun 2013 #37
Alright then Scootaloo Jun 2013 #59
The Greater Israel 1-state would be similar to what we see today in Israel.... shira Jun 2013 #63
You asked me what the difference was, I told you Scootaloo Jun 2013 #69
That difference has to be based on reality... shira Jun 2013 #71
Again, you asked what the difference between the two versions was Scootaloo Jun 2013 #72
The BDS vision is as realistic as Alice Walker's Reptilian Space Aliens ruling the planet... shira Jun 2013 #73
so believing that there could be a secular democracy in Israel, is like believing in space reptilian azurnoir Jun 2013 #74
Your version that "guarantees" equal rights for all doesn't yet exist... shira Jun 2013 #78
You want to argue really badly, don't you? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #75
So they expect Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #91
Ha ha ha ha King_David Jun 2013 #13
perhaps but in the world of music azurnoir Jun 2013 #24
No question....ask Nadrah. jessie04 Jun 2013 #9
This "apartheid" comparison reminds me WatermelonRat Jun 2013 #11
The Apartheid charge is just a smear attempt for the most part.... shira Jun 2013 #16
Do you think Alicia Keys will cancel? oberliner Jun 2013 #17
Don't know. I'm sure she's under tremendous pressure to do so. n/t shira Jun 2013 #18
You should see her FB page oberliner Jun 2013 #22
Honestly, I don't have the stomach to view all that garbage... shira Jun 2013 #26
Pretty much exactly what you'd expect oberliner Jun 2013 #27
At least the BDS holes couldn't convince Barbra Streisand to stay out... shira Jun 2013 #31
Very different situation oberliner Jun 2013 #33
interesting who paid for it tho ... Israeli Jun 2013 #40
Socialists could've paid for it, and it wouldn't make a difference shira Jun 2013 #43
yeah right shira ... Israeli Jun 2013 #76
Yossi Gurvitz figured the International Left out... shira Jun 2013 #80
LOL Israeli Jun 2013 #82
I see you're loyal to Aloni. That's fine... shira Jun 2013 #83
yes ... Israeli Jun 2013 #87
What's wrong with Gurvitz? shira Jun 2013 #84
oops .. Israeli Jun 2013 #88
Built from the ground up, huh? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #86
Good lord, capitalists!! oberliner Jun 2013 #79
you missed out ... Israeli Jun 2013 #89
News from Montgomery: Whites continue to ride bus, negros to call off boycott Scootaloo Jun 2013 #77
There are good boycotts & there are rotten ones vs. Jews, like the Nazi one. n/t shira Jun 2013 #81
Your phrasing leaves me puzzled Scootaloo Jun 2013 #85
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