Israel/Palestine

shira

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22. It's not that any criticism of Israel is antisemitism...

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:10 AM

Jun 2013

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It's that demonization, slander, and hyperbole including old racist stereotypes and tropes are without question antisemitic.

Reasonably arguing settlement policies and racism within Israel isn't antisemitic. But accusing Israel and its supporters of genocide, harvesting Palestinian organs, and controlling the world's banks, media, and governments is classic antisemitic bigotry - not legitimate criticism. Bigots spewing such hatred infest the anti-zionist movement. Failure to condemn them and being indifferent to their hate is as rightwing as it gets.

Anti-Zionists want one state, not two. They talk about a secular democracy while supporting and romanticizing Hamas and Islamic Jihad efforts vs. Israel. I don't see how supporting revolutionary Islamist bigots like Hamas or other zealoted fanatics like KKK militants is in any way a move towards a peaceful settlement. To deny the true nature of Hamas and their racist cohorts is bigoted and warmongering to the extreme.

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Will the real post-Zionists stand up? [View all] oberliner Jun 2013 OP

So? A very forward way of introducing an OP, that's for certain. delrem Jun 2013 #1

Yup Israeli Jun 2013 #2

A country for all its citizens - Nice! shira Jun 2013 #3

much more to it shira Israeli Jun 2013 #4

Does that writer get paid by the word? oberliner Jun 2013 #5

Uri Ram isn't a "pundit" or "blogger". delrem Jun 2013 #7

No kidding oberliner Jun 2013 #8

No, it isn't "like a parody of academia". delrem Jun 2013 #10

Yes it is oberliner Jun 2013 #16

You get highest marks for repetitiousness. delrem Jun 2013 #17

Yes there is "much more to it", King_David Jun 2013 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Jun 2013 #50

Well King_David some take him very seriously ... Israeli Jun 2013 #86

What would you consider a model nation for Israel to aspire towards? shira Jun 2013 #6

well Israeli Jun 2013 #9

You have no idea which country now is a state for all its people? shira Jun 2013 #12

LOL shira Israeli Jun 2013 #14

I think it's a great thing to aspire towards... shira Jun 2013 #15

no shira I dont see the problem Israeli Jun 2013 #20

It's not that any criticism of Israel is antisemitism... shira Jun 2013 #22

shira I have a question for you azurnoir Jun 2013 #24

The vast majority are Zionists, why? n/t shira Jun 2013 #26

Thank you now one more question azurnoir Jun 2013 #28

You've gotta be kidding me. You're trying to get Alice Walker off the hook.... shira Jun 2013 #30

well shira I knew you would not give a straight answer thanks azurnoir Jun 2013 #31

Those leading questions of yours are straight up Stormfront. n/t shira Jun 2013 #33

???? asking if members of the Hoouse of Representatives and Senate are Zionists azurnoir Jun 2013 #34

Oh, I'm wrong? What WERE you getting at dear? n/t shira Jun 2013 #36

that albeit you say that virtually all of Congress the Senate and the POTUS are Zionists azurnoir Jun 2013 #38

Any statement by anyone , King_David Jun 2013 #41

so you say but shira just admitted that the POTUS, and virtually all members azurnoir Jun 2013 #43

Anyone saying that Zionists and or Jews, King_David Jun 2013 #45

so it's okay to say that all or virtually all members of the Legislative Branch of the US government azurnoir Jun 2013 #47

Classic Antisemitism King_David Jun 2013 #51

why are you repeating yourself? azurnoir Jun 2013 #52

Worse.Than.Stormfront. n/t shira Jun 2013 #60

They are not Zionists but more correctly put they are supporters of Zionism/Israel. Dick Dastardly Jun 2013 #63

ah so now they're not Zionists themselves they just support Zionism azurnoir Jun 2013 #66

I never said they were in the first place, nor have I ever thought they were. Dick Dastardly Jun 2013 #67

and no one but you has attempted to use weasel words to erase it either azurnoir Jun 2013 #70

most member of congress are dog lovers... pelsar Jun 2013 #159

well the cat guild is very relieved by that azurnoir Jun 2013 #160

Look at it this way: delrem Jun 2013 #11

This isn't about denying the notion of a country for all its citizens... shira Jun 2013 #13

Hey, thanks for the input! delrem Jun 2013 #19

Video about Israel's security needs shira Jun 2013 #21

there are many Israelis who would disagree with that !! Israeli Jun 2013 #23

Get real. Here's Rabin's last speech refuting your crap... shira Jun 2013 #25

There is no plan B. "A country for all its citizens" stands alone. delrem Jun 2013 #27

So Israel must become a 1-state Utopia like no other nation, agree to RoR.... shira Jun 2013 #29

Aw, you're such a little nutbar with such questions! delrem Jun 2013 #32

When asked how many would have to die to achieve this 1-state utopia... shira Jun 2013 #35

""Six million" came back the answer with a smirk." delrem Jun 2013 #37

Yeah, and the other guy said 200,000. Classy. shira Jun 2013 #39

I like it when you go into full Pamela mode. delrem Jun 2013 #40

You lose the argument when all you have is ad-hominem. No substance. shira Jun 2013 #46

Geller is the flipside of Stormfront, just different memes. delrem Jun 2013 #53

You don't get it, nor do you want to. I have no problem w/ Israel becoming that one day... shira Jun 2013 #55

uh huh. soitanly, Pam. delrem Jun 2013 #57

Just remember you're pro-war. At least 200,000 by Frank Barat's account. shira Jun 2013 #59

"A country for all its citizens" Pam. delrem Jun 2013 #61

But by your reckoning, there is no such thing. It's Utopia... shira Jun 2013 #64

I'm not going to "counter" your ridiculous allegations, Pam. delrem Jun 2013 #69

Yeah, Palestinian polling on secular democracy is just a lie, obviously... shira Jun 2013 #72

"A country for all its citizens", peanut delrem Jun 2013 #77

Thanks Pam. n/t shira Jun 2013 #79

why would anyone "have to die" for Israel to be a nation for Israeli's? azurnoir Jun 2013 #42

Because no one wants that 1-state secular "utopia". shira Jun 2013 #48

really? there is no other possibility? azurnoir Jun 2013 #49

You're going to impose a solution on > 90% of all involved & hope for peace? shira Jun 2013 #54

what I know very well are your ugly proclomations about Palestinian/Arabs azurnoir Jun 2013 #56

Don't pretend you don't know the facts. We've been over this before... shira Jun 2013 #58

your concentration on the supposed religious fanaticism of Palestinians azurnoir Jun 2013 #62

Israel is already a real democracy. Palestinians don't want that... shira Jun 2013 #65

I see those Palestinian just do not want democracy I see azurnoir Jun 2013 #68

Not a western, secular democracy as the polls show. But those polls lie, right? n/t shira Jun 2013 #71

like American democracy where there is supposed to be strict seperation of church and state ? azurnoir Jun 2013 #73

Stick to the topic. You want secular democracy imposed on Palestinians.... shira Jun 2013 #74

perhaps you should review the thread title when it comes to staying on topic azurnoir Jun 2013 #75

Post Zionists want 2 states w/ each people choosing their own destiny... shira Jun 2013 #76

I haven't said that I wanted anything I challanged azurnoir Jun 2013 #78

No more games. You admitted you were for full RoR.... shira Jun 2013 #80

hey, deja vu! delrem Jun 2013 #81

Thanks Duke. n/t shira Jun 2013 #82

"A country for all its citizens". delrem Jun 2013 #83

So why hasn't that happened anywhere else in the world? n/t shira Jun 2013 #84

And what planet are you from? delrem Jun 2013 #85

So which nation exists that is truly a land for all its people, free from discrimination? shira Jun 2013 #87

There is no Utopian society however most Western countries do attempt at least to combat the bigotry azurnoir Jun 2013 #91

shira, pelsar, several others, don't distinguish delrem Jun 2013 #92

delrem ... Israeli Jun 2013 #93

But you're so damned hypocritical... shira Jun 2013 #94

OK, ms. geller, since I don't want to be raked over the coals for being D. Duke. delrem Jun 2013 #105

So now you're for 2 states, so long as Israel becomes in your view... shira Jun 2013 #109

Ms. Geller: it's you who go on and on about "2" or "1" state. delrem Jun 2013 #118

Well then why don't you make yourself clear about that. n/t shira Jun 2013 #120

And spoil all your fun? You little imp, you. delrem Jun 2013 #123

I see. You don't want to share what you're really for WRT Israel/Palestine.... shira Jun 2013 #124

But I'm glad you don't let that stop you, impish one. An imagination is a wonderful thing! delrem Jun 2013 #126

If your position on I/P was truly humane, anti-racist, and progressive.... shira Jun 2013 #128

But I don't hide what I believe, little impish one. delrem Jun 2013 #132

So explain what you're for and try answering simple questions... shira Jun 2013 #135

In a nutshell: Equality of persons before the law. delrem Jun 2013 #137

Liberal democracies guaranteeing equal rights for all are countries for all its citizens. shira Jun 2013 #140

Do Israeli Jews have the right to have their spouses join them in Israel? azurnoir Jun 2013 #141

From friendly states, yes. From enemy states, nope. n/t shira Jun 2013 #142

and the West Bank is an "enemy state"? azurnoir Jun 2013 #143

Until the PA makes peace with Israel, of course they are. n/t shira Jun 2013 #144

even though Palestinian security openly co-operates with Israeli security? eta azurnoir Jun 2013 #145

Did I miss the peace treaty & end-of-conflict b/w the 2 sides? n/t shira Jun 2013 #146

so even though PA security co-operates with Israel azurnoir Jun 2013 #147

No, Israel prefers Jewish nationals. delrem Jun 2013 #149

Equal rights for all is Israeli law. That's a fact. n/t shira Jun 2013 #152

Jews have more rights in Israel, that's a fact. delrem Jun 2013 #154

delrem, if you're truly for equality of persons before the law... shira Jun 2013 #148

I agree with international humanitarian law w.r.t. RoR. You don't. delrem Jun 2013 #150

Of course you agree. It's inhumane apartheid policy vs. refugees... shira Jun 2013 #153

OK, should this be alerted on? Or should it stand as demonstration of shira's ugliness? delrem Jun 2013 #155

Delrem - here's a visual of the crime against humanity you support shira Jun 2013 #156

shira why do you choose a chart in Norwegian? flyktninger means refugee azurnoir Jun 2013 #157

Why do you support such a war crime vs. so many Palestinians? n/t shira Jun 2013 #162

well for one of those mentioned I think this covers it well azurnoir Jun 2013 #98

Israel doesn't attempt to combat bigotry? shira Jun 2013 #95

Wahhabi was acting President of Israel when the President Moshe Katzav stepped down azurnoir Jun 2013 #97

Again, Israel doesn't attempt to combat bigotry? Wanna take that back? n/t shira Jun 2013 #99

Is Israel combatting the Nakba Law? n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #100

You wrote they weren't attempting to combat bigotry. shira Jun 2013 #101

so you think the Nakba Law is not bigotry? case closed azurnoir Jun 2013 #102

Explain how it's bigotry. Israel's enemies failed to massacre the Israelis.... shira Jun 2013 #103

"Tell me why you think Israelis should mourn their enemies' attempt to massacre them?" -shira quote azurnoir Jun 2013 #107

You still haven't answered me. Why should Israelis mourn their enemies'.... shira Jun 2013 #108

The law is aimed at Arab citizens of Israel azurnoir Jun 2013 #110

It's not aimed at Arabs willing to live at peace in a 2 state solution. n/t shira Jun 2013 #111

The law applies to Arab citizens of Israel azurnoir Jun 2013 #112

Do you even know what the Nakba law is? n/t shira Jun 2013 #114

yes I do why? azurnoir Jun 2013 #115

I don't think you do. Please explain it in 1-2 sentences. n/t shira Jun 2013 #116

It penalizes commemoration of the Nakba azurnoir Jun 2013 #117

It withdraws state funding from anti-Israel organizations against Israel's existence. shira Jun 2013 #119

anti-Israel organizations? I've seen your concept of anti-Israel azurnoir Jun 2013 #121

Says you who was for, against, and indifferent about full RoR. n/t shira Jun 2013 #122

basically I'm sort torn about RoR azurnoir Jun 2013 #130

Jews need a haven, ergo the Jewish state. Palestinians should have every right... shira Jun 2013 #136

No, that's not the Nakba law, impish one. Not even a good try. delrem Jun 2013 #133

Impish one? Not Loser? What's next? Enlighten us all on the law. n/t shira Jun 2013 #134

Why should I enlighten you on the Nakba law, little imp? delrem Jun 2013 #138

Because you don't really know what you're talking about. I'm right about the law... shira Jun 2013 #139

Your explanation doesn't even reference the term 'Nakba', impish one. delrem Jun 2013 #151

none so blind as those that refuse to see azurnoir ;) Israeli Jun 2013 #106

well according to the person I'm currently debating on this azurnoir Jun 2013 #113

But you don't even know that the Nakba law doesn't apply to individual Israeli Arabs.... shira Jun 2013 #125

excuse the Nakba law by any means you wish azurnoir Jun 2013 #127

It pulls funding from state funded organizations against Israel's existence.... shira Jun 2013 #129

you've already said that azurnoir Jun 2013 #131

that person Israeli Jun 2013 #158

well that poster seems willing to spin anything that's for sure azurnoir Jun 2013 #161

could you tell that person , please .... Israeli Jun 2013 #164

Israeli - if you cared about the civil rights of Palestinians.... shira Jun 2013 #163

who's "everyone' in your book shira? azurnoir Jun 2013 #88

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See. n/t shira Jun 2013 #89

well I would hope some eyes have been opened azurnoir Jun 2013 #90

Thanks for the education. nt delrem Jun 2013 #18

That it has been indeed n/t azurnoir Jun 2013 #104

Strongly agree LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #96