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freshwest

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38. Thanks. There are other forces ready and eager to fill any vacuum left by government.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)

We see this daily in those who want less regulation, seek to impose their faith on others. Those entities are well-funded and have operated at a less open level than any government ever has done.

It a matter of history that they create dissension and conflict to weaken any secular authority as well as anything that stands in the way of their profit and power. We ignore these groups at our peril, and idealism or holding our noses at anything, will not make them go away.

That they are not part of a discussion when people trash all the government in knee-jerk fashion, strikes me being very ignorant or else dishonest. We cannot afford willful ignorance and blind faith something will magically arise to take place of our demanding 'We The People' style of governance. Leave the 'We' out of that equation and you get corporatism and/or theocracy. Every single time.

There are always those ready to take control, who are doing so today, right in our faces. They know too many will find excuses to not lower themselves to work with others. Their motto is that those who do get involved are all crooks, with bad motives, but I see them in this quote:

He who says there is no such thing as an honest man, is himself a knave.

~ George Berkeley


Thus it is pointless to talk to them, since they choose to ignore the real world. The one that is crushing real people, while they stand by and jeer.

It's ironic when they yell at us, to wake up, that we are sheeple, when they slept through history classes and are still sleeping through reality.



They're refering to us, Hekate.. Cha Jul 2013 #1
From context, I rather thought so Hekate Jul 2013 #4
Hahahaha!!! That's a DUzy for sure!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #14
Or the pits in the third level of hell IrishAyes Jul 2013 #15
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #19
It's just a series of tubes. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #29
Cha, I love that cartoon. It's hilarious, cause it's true. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #26
Why, whatever makes you think that, Tarheel!?! Cha Jul 2013 #31
It's meant to imply Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #2
Thank you too, Summer Hekate Jul 2013 #6
All American Amnesia aside Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #8
You picked up on that one too! JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #12
Peace is only war by other means. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #16
My dad? JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #23
I'm all for the green revolution myself IrishAyes Jul 2013 #25
'Beware the wrath of a patient man.' Memorable. freshwest Jul 2013 #41
It was one of my more remarkable life lessons learned from observation IrishAyes Jul 2013 #42
Ambrose Bierce's defintion in the The Devil's Dictionary is somewhat similar: freshwest Jul 2013 #43
I love Ambrose Bierce! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #44
What you all willfully fail to grasp is that it has nothing to do with the messenger (snowden) and Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #51
Sorry, Ed Suspicious, this is the Barack Obama Group and Cha Jul 2013 #52
I hear you! freshwest Jul 2013 #55
The hyperbole in this thread nicely matches that of the one discussed... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #3
I don't think so. this is the Cha Jul 2013 #11
Some people IrishAyes Jul 2013 #17
The BOG has a catch and release policy: freshwest Jul 2013 #54
Thanks for the habitat link - I'll check that out. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #57
Thanks IrishAyes. There a few people on this site I'd love to meet and you are one of them. freshwest Jul 2013 #58
Well, after moving to town to retire, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #59
For the most part I've stayed out of it. Firebrand Gary Jul 2013 #5
Happy 4th to you too, Gary. Hekate Jul 2013 #7
Lucky you, Firebrand Gary.. I hope you got Cha Jul 2013 #9
Happy 4th, all of you. Here since 1620 with regular infusions of immigrants... Hekate Jul 2013 #10
Great post, Hekate IrishAyes Jul 2013 #18
It is meant to imply that we believe in a police state treestar Jul 2013 #13
That was like the Marathon bombings. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #32
People have no idea what a real Marshal law is. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #34
Very well said, well thought out. I appreciate it. freshwest Jul 2013 #40
Sort of reminds me of that old saw IrishAyes Jul 2013 #45
Yeah, reminds me of the gun nuts who call us "controllers." SunSeeker Jul 2013 #20
Oh yeah, I hadn't seen that one. Cha Jul 2013 #21
Thanks, Cha. Happy 4th to you & yours. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #22
Well, gun nuts love HongKong/Moscow Eddie IrishAyes Jul 2013 #46
I'm sure it's a complete coincidence but Authoritarianism is the polar opposite of Libertarianism. great white snark Jul 2013 #24
Yes, definitely not within our party. They left, or never were. freshwest Jul 2013 #39
As a lover of snark, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #47
Shall we use our 'authoritay' for good or for evil. Whisp Jul 2013 #27
Evil! I'm on the side of evil! Ipso facto and summa cum laude and a bunch of other Latin tags. Hekate Jul 2013 #28
Don't for get one of my favorite latin tags! Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #33
oooo, I like that one Hekate Jul 2013 #37
It means if you don't espouse libertarian ideology, you must be an authoritarian. freshwest Jul 2013 #30
Nailed it! JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #35
Excellent rant, freshwest. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #36
Thanks. There are other forces ready and eager to fill any vacuum left by government. freshwest Jul 2013 #38
What you said. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #48
As Bill Maher says, Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke weed. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #49
Have you all seen still_one's farewell thread in GD? That's it; I'm done here. Hekate Jul 2013 #50
Yes, I trashed that thread when I saw the wrecking decided to go in for the kill there. freshwest Jul 2013 #53
"but why should we be relegated to hanging out in a safe haven, as if we have no right to speak? " Hekate Jul 2013 #60
I tried to pose the question of rising hate, as gently as possible Sheepshank Jul 2013 #63
Oh damn, Hekate! NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #56
Hey, SKP, that's me.. "Frugal Living", Hawai'i Cha Jul 2013 #62
See you in the BOG then, Hekate! We have a really active Cha Jul 2013 #61
Great idea! WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2013 #64
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