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Ken Burch

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25. I am as concerned as you are about the imminent Tory landslide-which can still be prevented.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:38 PM
Apr 2017

The best way to prevent it is for everyone on the left or "center-left&quot if that second grouping is really anywhere on the left side of the spectrum at all)to stop attacking Corbyn and rally to Labour as the only party that can defeat the Tories. It's too late to change Corbyn as leader.

I don't favor mass deselections, never have. I favor accountability, a means to remind MPs that they are simply one group of people, rather than a parliamentary elite whose boots no one else in the party is fit to lick.

I get it that there will be shades of opinion in ANY party, anywhere, but the anti-Corbyn MPs(the ones who started all of the trouble by refusing to accept the outcomes of TWO legitimate democratic leadership elections) are acting as if they are ABOVE the rest of the party, that they owe the party whose rank-and-file activists keep them in office by doorbelling for them in elections NOTHING AT ALL, that they have no obligation to be significantly to the left of Theresa May at all that it's enough for them to call themselves "Labour MPs".

An MP should no to be treated like a demigod. She or he needs to feel some obligation to at least not sabotage the party-and what the anti-Corbynites have done is nothing but sabotage. They want Labour to go from having a leader with principles to having a leader who will join them in perpetually pushing the party further and further right(voting to cut benefits and support the benefits, as most of these people wanted Labour to start doing after the election, is voting to abandon the last meaningful difference that still existed between the parties. There was nothing else non-Tory left in the Labour program once the poor were officially abandoned and subjected to Victorian sanctimony, nothing at all). Those in the PLP who pushed for the final abandonment have learned nothing at all. They STILL think the party should have just endorsed the Tory manifesto and be done with it.

I want Labour to win. That can only happen if everybody in the party unites behind the winner of the leadership election. What you don't seem to get is that if Corbyn WERE forced out, no one who replaced him(no one to the left of Yvette Cooper would be allowed to by the PLP)would have no right to ASK Corbyn's supporters(who are still the majority of Labour members and supporters)to unite behind them, since that person would only be in the job because the PLP refused ever to reunite behind Corbyn.

Blame the sabateurs if May wing...not the people whose only crime was supporting the leader.

If Labour loses there will be plenty of blame to spread around. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
The only way to beat the Tories now is to work all-out for Labour. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #2
Yes. If May gets elected expect Scotland to go independent and Labour will hrmjustin Apr 2017 #3
And the LibDems aren't an anti-Tory party. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #4
They are not on the left like Labour. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #5
They're hardly even in the center. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #8
Realistically, May is highly likely to get re-elected muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #6
I know that. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #19
"Working all out" is one of Labour's problems T_i_B Apr 2017 #7
But isn't that due, as much as anything else, to the fact that the PLP never let up on Corbyn? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #9
No. T_i_B Apr 2017 #10
People are less likely to be good managers Ken Burch Apr 2017 #11
If you ever actually bothered to read what you are replying to... T_i_B Apr 2017 #12
OK, Corbyn could have managed people somewhat better. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #14
It has to be said that there have been grumbles from some SNP activists Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #20
Labour does seem to have it worse than other parties T_i_B Apr 2017 #21
I think someone within the Corbyn movement will write an analysis of that Ken Burch Apr 2017 #22
OK - for this very reason, let's not treat the PLP as our enemy LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #32
Who is or isn't to blame within the Labour Party isn't the point LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #13
And this is why I'm pissed off with Labour T_i_B Apr 2017 #15
Agree LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #16
Suspect that there will be more retirements T_i_B Apr 2017 #17
There's nothing illegitimate or unfair about the concept of deselection. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #23
You must be really annoyed... T_i_B Apr 2017 #24
I am as concerned as you are about the imminent Tory landslide-which can still be prevented. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #25
Well, Momentum are going about winning support for Labour..... T_i_B Apr 2017 #26
The EU isn't the ONLY issue that matters. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #27
Wrong T_i_B Apr 2017 #28
"The EU isn't the ONLY issue that matters." Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #29
That's it exactly T_i_B Apr 2017 #30
Labour should push for a Soft Brexit. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #35
I have said I would have voted Remain. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #33
I suggest you spend a little time reading down the posts on this page Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #36
Whatever else we disagree on... T_i_B Apr 2017 #38
The election is happening, and Corbyn is campaigning to get them out. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #39
The point is that all these things are dependent on NOT Brexiting LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #34
OK, in your view, what would it mean for Momentum to "engage with the outside world"? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #18
If Labour had vetoed the election, wouldn't that have caused massive blowback against them? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #37
Of course your theory is rubbish! T_i_B Apr 2017 #40
Thanks for the response. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #41
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