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Ken Burch

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23. There's nothing illegitimate or unfair about the concept of deselection.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:32 AM
Apr 2017

Without it, a constituency party has no way at all of holding the MP that clp worked to elect and re-elect to any level of accountability at all. If the MP has no accountability to the constituency party, there's no real reason for the constituency party to exist-for that matter, there's no reason for party membership to exist if people within a party have fewer means to hold their party's parliamentarians and candidates to any set of expectations at all. At that point, you've reduced the notion of a party to a leader who imposes policy solely from above, an arrogant, self-entitled parliamentary elite who feel no respect either for the party's values or those who will do most of the work of electing them(it's fairly unlikely that anyone has ever been elected by treating their party's principles dismissively), and a core of party workers which is slowly dwindling towards extinction.

No party with that sort of internal political culture is going to be sustainable and electable.

I can make that assertion because what I've described there is the political culture of the Labour party since at least the accession of Gordon Brown-a party that had failed to win even 31% of the vote in the last two elections on the type of manifesto you prefer, the type of it's-enough-that-it's-US-making-the-cuts policies that had no chance of ever leading to an increased vote for Labour at any possible future election or of providing effective governance if it did.

It's a culture whose defenders within the party are currently working with all their might to sabotage their own party's leader DURING the current general election campaign, and who, on a milder level essentially did the same thing to Ed Miliband during the 2015 campaign, simply because Ed was a few micro-millimetres to the left of Tony Blair(too few for anyone to matter, but still too intolerably many for the sectarian Blairite-Brownites, a cult that could tolerate no deviation at all from "Bambi Thought&quot .

And just so you know, Labour HQ(still controlled by the anti-Corbynite party bureaucracy), mandated the reselection of all sitting MPs including the member for Barrow and Furness who insisted on demanding Corbyn's resignation while announcing that he himself wanted to stand for another term, so all the arrogant parliamentary elitists are exempt from any accountability from the people whose hard work is needed to keep them in their jobs.

I'd really like to know how you think Labour can ever regain power by continuing to treat its most committed activists as a nuisance at best and a menace to be crushed at worse. It's not as though Labour can win solely due to focus group tested phrases in a party political broadcast or the bland, empty pronouncements of a "Great Leader" figure. And there's really no good reason to keep punishing Labour activists for the Eighties-most left-wing campaigners now weren't even born then.

If Labour loses there will be plenty of blame to spread around. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
The only way to beat the Tories now is to work all-out for Labour. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #2
Yes. If May gets elected expect Scotland to go independent and Labour will hrmjustin Apr 2017 #3
And the LibDems aren't an anti-Tory party. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #4
They are not on the left like Labour. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #5
They're hardly even in the center. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #8
Realistically, May is highly likely to get re-elected muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #6
I know that. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #19
"Working all out" is one of Labour's problems T_i_B Apr 2017 #7
But isn't that due, as much as anything else, to the fact that the PLP never let up on Corbyn? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #9
No. T_i_B Apr 2017 #10
People are less likely to be good managers Ken Burch Apr 2017 #11
If you ever actually bothered to read what you are replying to... T_i_B Apr 2017 #12
OK, Corbyn could have managed people somewhat better. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #14
It has to be said that there have been grumbles from some SNP activists Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #20
Labour does seem to have it worse than other parties T_i_B Apr 2017 #21
I think someone within the Corbyn movement will write an analysis of that Ken Burch Apr 2017 #22
OK - for this very reason, let's not treat the PLP as our enemy LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #32
Who is or isn't to blame within the Labour Party isn't the point LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #13
And this is why I'm pissed off with Labour T_i_B Apr 2017 #15
Agree LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #16
Suspect that there will be more retirements T_i_B Apr 2017 #17
There's nothing illegitimate or unfair about the concept of deselection. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #23
You must be really annoyed... T_i_B Apr 2017 #24
I am as concerned as you are about the imminent Tory landslide-which can still be prevented. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #25
Well, Momentum are going about winning support for Labour..... T_i_B Apr 2017 #26
The EU isn't the ONLY issue that matters. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #27
Wrong T_i_B Apr 2017 #28
"The EU isn't the ONLY issue that matters." Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #29
That's it exactly T_i_B Apr 2017 #30
Labour should push for a Soft Brexit. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #35
I have said I would have voted Remain. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #33
I suggest you spend a little time reading down the posts on this page Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #36
Whatever else we disagree on... T_i_B Apr 2017 #38
The election is happening, and Corbyn is campaigning to get them out. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #39
The point is that all these things are dependent on NOT Brexiting LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #34
OK, in your view, what would it mean for Momentum to "engage with the outside world"? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #18
If Labour had vetoed the election, wouldn't that have caused massive blowback against them? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #37
Of course your theory is rubbish! T_i_B Apr 2017 #40
Thanks for the response. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #41
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