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T_i_B

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7. "Working all out" is one of Labour's problems
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:40 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Corbyn has caused a massive spike in Labour membership, but has not been able to translate that into a great deal of activism outside of campaigning for Corbyn in internal leadership contests.

Labour has an enormous paper membership, but really struggles to get the best out of it. And on this score Labour actually compare really badly with rival parties.

As an example, we have county council elections due in a few weeks. The Tories have heavily targeted the ward where I live, bringing in activists from further afield. But for Labour it still seems to be the same husband & wife couple (one of whom is the incumbent councillor) doing all the leafleting. This is one of the big reasons why it looks very likely that we will lose a very good Labour councillor.

It gets worse when you look at Momentum, who are more interested with protesting against the New Statesman for not offering 30 pages of uncritical pro-Corbyn coverage or calling for Tom Watson to be replaced as Labour's deputy leader by Emily Thornberry of all people.

In fact the more you look at Momentum, the more angry you get about the way that all that energy Corbyn and his followers originally brought to the table is being wasted on petty infighting rather than working to avoid an electoral bloodbath.

If Labour loses there will be plenty of blame to spread around. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
The only way to beat the Tories now is to work all-out for Labour. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #2
Yes. If May gets elected expect Scotland to go independent and Labour will hrmjustin Apr 2017 #3
And the LibDems aren't an anti-Tory party. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #4
They are not on the left like Labour. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #5
They're hardly even in the center. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #8
Realistically, May is highly likely to get re-elected muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #6
I know that. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #19
"Working all out" is one of Labour's problems T_i_B Apr 2017 #7
But isn't that due, as much as anything else, to the fact that the PLP never let up on Corbyn? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #9
No. T_i_B Apr 2017 #10
People are less likely to be good managers Ken Burch Apr 2017 #11
If you ever actually bothered to read what you are replying to... T_i_B Apr 2017 #12
OK, Corbyn could have managed people somewhat better. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #14
It has to be said that there have been grumbles from some SNP activists Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #20
Labour does seem to have it worse than other parties T_i_B Apr 2017 #21
I think someone within the Corbyn movement will write an analysis of that Ken Burch Apr 2017 #22
OK - for this very reason, let's not treat the PLP as our enemy LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #32
Who is or isn't to blame within the Labour Party isn't the point LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #13
And this is why I'm pissed off with Labour T_i_B Apr 2017 #15
Agree LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #16
Suspect that there will be more retirements T_i_B Apr 2017 #17
There's nothing illegitimate or unfair about the concept of deselection. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #23
You must be really annoyed... T_i_B Apr 2017 #24
I am as concerned as you are about the imminent Tory landslide-which can still be prevented. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #25
Well, Momentum are going about winning support for Labour..... T_i_B Apr 2017 #26
The EU isn't the ONLY issue that matters. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #27
Wrong T_i_B Apr 2017 #28
"The EU isn't the ONLY issue that matters." Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #29
That's it exactly T_i_B Apr 2017 #30
Labour should push for a Soft Brexit. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #35
I have said I would have voted Remain. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #33
I suggest you spend a little time reading down the posts on this page Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #36
Whatever else we disagree on... T_i_B Apr 2017 #38
The election is happening, and Corbyn is campaigning to get them out. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #39
The point is that all these things are dependent on NOT Brexiting LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #34
OK, in your view, what would it mean for Momentum to "engage with the outside world"? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #18
If Labour had vetoed the election, wouldn't that have caused massive blowback against them? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #37
Of course your theory is rubbish! T_i_B Apr 2017 #40
Thanks for the response. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #41
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